I am sorry for getting your name wrong but seriously?
3 posts telling me I got it wrong? :roll2
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Vost
The very nature of Time Compression does not necessarily mean that time is being altered, only that it is being compressed into one temporal singularity. Therefore, my theory can still hold next to the idea that the past cannot be changed. This is because it is no longer the 'past' or 'present' or 'future' per se, but rather ONE time. It is THIS one time that is changed, not the specific past or specific present or specific future that at one time was separate from it.
First: I stated an
in-game reference that strongly implies that alternate time lines cannot exist in VIII, you are just assuming that their is alternate time lines and you've stated nothing in the game that suggests it otherwise. Even when Dr. Odine mentions how time compression works, he mentions it would only make the past, present, and future into a singularity that can be experienced all at once and life would be extinguished except for her. He does not mention anything about all possible histories. He describes it as a singular line. Squall goes back and plants the knowledge of SeeD into Edea's mind but even this alteration still works with what Ellone stated cause Cid said that SeeD was Edea's idea.
Even if Ultemacia was Rinoa from an alternate Time line, she would only be able to travel back to her own timeline cause the rules of time travel stated by Ellone says you can only send your consciousness back to places and times you have a connection with. She should not be able to travel back into an alternate time past nor should her interference cause Squall to change the past.
Ellone's connection to the past is Laguna; for Ultemacia, it was her power. She gave it to Edea at the end, and this allowed the future Ultemacia to possess her. She wasn't able to control Rinoa until Ultemacia made Edea pass on her powers to her. If Ultemacia was Rinoa, she wouldn't have needed to do this, especially since its shown that the powers of the time traveler comes with them; otherwise Laguna wouldn't be able to use Junction magic.
Ultemacia also constantly puts Rinoa's life in danger and by possessing her, runs the risk of erasing or dramatically altering her existence by doing so,
if she was Rinoa. Not only is there no evidence to suggest Ultemacia has no memory of her life as Rinoa but it can also be thought that wiping out her self in the distant past would in turn cause a time paradox. Yet, Rinoa can be blinked out of existence in the final battle. This alone shows how little thought was put into the idea of Time Compression in the game (since it still technically presents the paradox of Ultemacia killing her past self, regardless if its Rinoa or not.), and also shows why the simplistic rules of time travel presented in the story doesn't need to be bogged down by fictional or scientific theory.
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Your theory on Ultimecia's motivation is ridiculously weak. Mine ties the plot and explains her obsessions cogently. There is a lot of in game evidence to support this theory but I will not get into this here because it has already been mentioned in many other R=U posts.
Its not my theory, just the only one that vaguely made sense. I personally feel Ultemacia is just a 2-Dimensional villain made in the same vain as the Cloud of Darkness or Zeromus. A plot twist villain that reveals themselves at the end and reveals they have been controlling who we thought were the real villains. Your theory isn't any better imo, cause it completely hinges on assumptions and theories and I don't feel it ties anything up storywise.
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Vost
It's funny how anytime the R=U theory is argued, opponents always use the phrase "Your theory has little to back it up I'm afraid,"
The theory has an infinity of data to back it up, I'm afraid, :). To boot, it explains the central villain most perfectly and wraps up everything that was not wrapped up. It is an implication done vaguely on purpose.
You presented no data, while I presented an in-game reference. How is this not "backing up my argument"? You presented no evidence just silly speculation and downright wishful thinking.
I also feel you should look at yourself in the mirror when you say comments like:
mostly because their own pathetic attempts to hold on to the version of the plot line that makes sense to them has no real or substantial arguments to eradicate the contrary.
- Vost (Void) ;)
Seeing as how you presented no evidence and just gave your own perspective of the ending as evidence, I would say you are guilty of your own words.
The fundamental flaw of R=U is that its such a major plot twist that there is no real reason to keep it hidden with cryptic clues to tell only the most ardent of players the truth. Looking at the series as a whole, FF plots have always been pretty up front and the plot elements never explained are either not important (Who is Gogo?) or badly written (Orphanage!).
A twist like that (R=U) would be more central to the story and even if it were true; I feel it doesn't mesh well cause it presents too many unknown variable. It doesn't explain anything, it just makes you ask more questions. It presents too many variable for plot holes and contradictions (like the ones I pointed out in this post). Its cryptic-ness and contradictory nature makes it logically impossible. Time Compression is also a terrible excuse used to explain things. I feel champaign supernova's post highlighted this as well.
