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is it just me, or are all the main girls in final fantsy really lame and "perfect"? are the makers so intent on creating the perfect girl that they totally forget to add personality or interesting character flaws into the equation? all the main character females seem to have the same personality, different look. they are all super girly, super flirty, quiet and shy, goody goody, annoying, oh-plz-save-me-form-the-evil-man, etc. they are all bland clones of eachother with nothing to distinguish themselves from eachother besides the game they were in.

i know you would say that "oh, rinoa tried to start a rebellion!" bull. she was so stupid she had to work with 2 other idiots. and only 2. they only thing she had going for her was money and status as general caraways daughter. her plan was fail. and any rebellion was washed away due to her being gah gah over squall.

seriously. what quirks do they have? none. aeris, rinoa, yuna, (im still determining rosa and ashe), etc. the only main female that had any substance to her was garnet. other than that, they are all braindead empty shells cast by the model of society. kinda like the dumb preps at school. rikku, yuffie, and selphie were all perky and had their quirks. quistis, lulu, and tifa were all tough little baddies who kicked ass and didnt care enough to even bother to take names later. whats so special about aeris, rinoa, and yuna? why dont they have a personality?

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Unfortunately, as the main audience these games are developed for are younger men, the female characters are going to be developed in a manner that will attract as many of these customers as possible.

Rinoa was hot. :drool:

They all have their quirks though.

Aerith, for example, while being a bit flirty, still held a kind of reserved and serious demeanor.

Rinao was far flirty, a didtz, and overall an idiot.

Rosa is easily the most nurturing of the the bunch.

Garnet was very Naive, lacked the flirty, however was somewhat crafty compared to the others.

This being said, Garnet was the only one of that lot I listed I really liked. :p

I found Aeris refreshing, (i played 7 after 10,8 and 9)
shes funny, flirty and Comes up with the ingenius plan to dress cloud as a chick. She also asks questions about Tifa. she is aware that there is an issue there.
They also wanted her for Soldier and her limits are legendary.

Unlike Rinoa who never questions Quistis's obvious attraction to Squall and just goes in for the kill, and is pretty weak in battle aswell.

The only thing i liked about Yuna was that she had David Bowie eyes.

Ashe is a legend, she's icy and tough and actually believable as a leader of a country. She has her dumbass moments ("Ballllthhhiiiiier" yeah Fran's there too bihatch and shes the one thats hurt.)
but she also has an interesting dark side.

Yuffie is quirky, funny and a lil bit untrustworthy. But she's not always chirpy, she has emotion (when Aeris died and the ending of DOC when she is Vincent angsting)

Fran is in the role of the tough chick like lulu and Quistis. But she is witty and plays the damsel more often in FFXII, there are a few scenes where she is relying on Balthier to carry her and support her because of the mist and stuff. and theres the Pharos incident in which you see her vunerable side.
shes not ur usual tough gal because she is a damsel at times as well, more so than Ashe and maybe even Penelo.

They all have very slight differences, I guess. As stated, Rosa is the most caring of this stereotype. Aeris was a little bit more playful, but (the way I took her character) weary, after growing up in the slums with the Turks always after her, and always hearing the cry of the planet, and losing her boyfriend. And being afraid of damned near everything (SOLDIER, the sky etc.)

Rinoa was basically a moron. The only way I can interpret her character was that Square thought that if she was a helpless moron, all the teenegers playing the game would have a sudden rush of hormones and love her (because game companies apparently think guys like girls who couldn't fight their way off a short bus filled with nuns)

Garnet was my favorite of the stereotype, as she had some other personality that stood on it's own. Garnet... is a collaboration of cliches that work. She the tender caring type, the independent sassy type, and both the rebellious reckless princess and the noble proud princess (for those who haven't played IX, trust me, it works) and I think she pulls it off brilliantly, since IX is a game of cliches from the concept.

Yuna is just another Aeris. Boring. I can't say I hated Yuna, but I felt a stronger preference for Lulu, and only had Yuna incorporated into my main party because of her white magic.

All in all, the only one I didn't like of the aforementioned was Rosa, because (imo) she was very thin and didn't have other defining qualities besides her "I love my friends" attitude.

I generally hate heroines in RPGs. Mostly cause 98% of them are the same (soft spoken, cheerful but sometime melancholic, "inner strength" cardboard cut-outs. Special powers the main villains wants are optional :rolleyes2). Many fall into this "Younger Rosa" archetype. What's worse is that most of them just cause problems for the party rather than bring anything meaningful to the plot. Its not even getting kidnapped that bothers me as much of it being them blindly running towards danger in hopes of "protecting everyone" and "showing their inner strength". Its pathetic and its been done to death. To this day, I dread hearing the phrase "I'm going to protect everyone" from the lips of the female lead. Why? Cause it means she is going to do something stupid and cause my party to race halfway cross the damn planet to save her sorry ass. At least Aerith broke the norm by actually getting killed...:mad:

This is why I love Lady Ashe, she is a bitch. She proves she can handle her own fights and she has inner strength by showing awesome leadership and resolve. She wants to save people but she is human enough to have her own selfish desires. I also liked Terra and Celes cause despite having traits of the Rosa Archetype, their stories never focused on its cliches and I felt their personal plots and motives; moved their personalities in a far enough direction to make them their own characters.

Lightening shows some promise but XIII is still too much of a mystery to say how she will stack up.

One of the many things I loved about FF XII was that there was no such stereotypical female-lead.

If there was a female lead in this game, it was Ashe and the first time we see her in-game, she holds sword and shield (:fencing:) while taunting a group of soldiers to come fight her. Fran is very wise, she also doesn't fall in the category of somewhat naive gal, neither does her big story evolve around her grand powers or her love for some guy.
Penelo, though young, is not stupid. Vaan acted more like the irresponsible damsel than she did imo :p

Rosa was the first white mage and it was cool that she went after Cecil because she was concerned. She doesn't make any more grand-sacrificing gestures than most others in the cast.

The cast of FFV had Faris, which was just awesome. Don't want to spoil it for those who haven't played the game yet :cool:

Though Terra was the nurturing type, Celes clearly didn't like to play such a role (some of her quotes on that subject are great). Both of them showed great strength of character and played a vital role in the game without becoming cliche.

The love-triangle in FFVII was mostly played out in the first disc, so that it couldn't get too annoying. Aeris had a fun side, Tifa was tough.

The one who most annoyed me in this way was Rinoa. Her sole purpose before she met Squall was act like a spoiled teenager and after that to become his girlfriend. Before I played the game, I thought she would be a really cool-resistance type. What a let-down.

Garnet, though you have to save her quite a bit, was likeable. At least she didn't throw temper-tantrums and worried enough about her country to not spend her time chasing after the hero all the time.

Yuna was okay. but not much more. I would have liked her more, had I not seen a lot of the sacrificing female lead type before.

I always seem to forget about Faris for some reason... god she's such a great character. Too bad her sister is a drip...:rolleyes2

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I always seem to forget about Faris for some reason... god she's such a great character. Too bad her sister is a drip...:rolleyes2

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At least it was refreshing that she made the big sacrifices for a dragon, not to save the entire world:D

And yes, I wish Faris was a little better known, she deserves the same kind of popularity that Rydia has.

I also found Garnet being a healing heroine in love with the hero that needs rescuing but has a blossoming willpower very different from Yuna being a healing heroine in love with the hero that needs rescuing but has a blossoming willpower.

Yuna, Terra, Freya, and Faris disagree with you.

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This topic actually made me roll my eyes more than once, but I must agree with Cresccent. The female characters in FFXII (aside from Penelo) were very independent. Princess Ashe, is probably the first Princess, in the history of the franchise, that isn't your typical, helpless, spoiled brat, and isn't afraid to get dirty and fight for her throne. I honestly think if Square wanted to make a movie, they should've done it with this one instead of Spirits Within. Cuz even Aki Ross had the same flavour to her that Wolf Kanno alluded to.

:fencing: <---my new favourite emote!!! :D

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This topic actually made me roll my eyes more than once, but I must agree with Cresccent. The female characters in FFXII (aside from Penelo) were very independent. Princess Ashe, is probably the first Princess, in the history of the franchise, that isn't your typical, helpless, spoiled brat, and isn't afraid to get dirty and fight for her throne. I honestly think if Square wanted to make a movie, they should've done it with this one instead of Spirits Within. Cuz even Aki Ross had the same flavour to her that Wolf Kanno alluded to.

:fencing: <---my new favourite emote!!! :D

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Lovely, isn't it? :p

I wish they'd make a FFXII movie, something like AC or even a prequel movie with Fran and Balthier as leading roles.

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This topic actually made me roll my eyes more than once, but I must agree with Cresccent. The female characters in FFXII (aside from Penelo) were very independent. Princess Ashe, is probably the first Princess, in the history of the franchise, that isn't your typical, helpless, spoiled brat, and isn't afraid to get dirty and fight for her throne. I honestly think if Square wanted to make a movie, they should've done it with this one instead of Spirits Within. Cuz even Aki Ross had the same flavour to her that Wolf Kanno alluded to.

:fencing: <---my new favourite emote!!! :D

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Lovely, isn't it? :p

I wish they'd make a FFXII movie, something like AC or even a prequel movie with Fran and Balthier as leading roles.

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Well we at least have the Ivalice Alliance and it seems to be doing rather well so I wouldn't be surprised to see future titles involving the wonderful world of Ivalice. :cool:

I can see Fran and Balthier taking centre stage at some point. The second they bustle on to the screen they busy themselves by scene stealing throughout the whole game.
My favourite ff team of all time.

Celes is an epic FF chic, i wish she had her own game. one that played like the first part of VI (not like all that world of ruin part)

i havent played enough 12 to know them all too much. ashe was ok from what i saw. i loved fran (but im the archer type anyway) and always played her as the lead. unfortunatally, i lost interest as i hit the liasu mines.

and i havent played 3,5,or 6. im not very far in 4 either. im still beating the octomammoth or w/e in the waterfall.

Fran? She's the biggest ho in that whole game. :rolleyes2

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Nah. if she was a ho she would be with Al-Cid who is cleary XII's token pimp :cool:

^Wasn't Ashe flattered by Al-Cid? Was she perhaps entertaining nasty thoughts about him?

I have to say, though Ashe is certainly not depicted as a "ho," she definitely has the most male interest in XII. :p

I have not been fortunate enough to play IX yet, so I can't comment on Garnet.:cry:

Out of the main heroines I like Terra, Ashe, Celes and Faris the best because they each differed from what the usual heroine archetype is.

They should all be in the kitchen anyway.

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They should all be in the kitchen anyway.

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Yeah, drinking beer ;)

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I like Terra,...the best because they each differed from what the usual heroine archetype is.

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No, hse really really isnt. She tricks people into thinking she's unique by being an awesome character, but she's seriously not. I still love her, I just think it's very clever how she tricks people into thinking she's a special snowflake, when really she's a speacial snowflake just like all the other special snowflakes.

Rinoa. Stupid h0r tries to do stuff without her man and phails. I agree with you to an extent, NeoTifa.

nah i'm not crazy for Terra. Celes is the best female in that game imo

I like skanks.

lol. i jsut hate rinoa. im excited to see how ashe is now, but my hubbie let his friend borrow the game. dammit, i come first!!! :mad2:

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I don't honestly detect much personality in the latest male characters appearing either. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of typical bishounen with about as much depth as a doorknob and can frequently be nothing more than simplistic cliches.

But what do I know? Maybe I just expect too much.

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RESPONDING TO THREAD IN GENERAL: Oh brother!

I don't honestly detect much personality in the latest male characters appearing either. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of typical bishounen with about as much depth as a doorknob and can frequently be nothing more than simplistic cliches.

But what do I know? Maybe I just expect too much.

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This is why I love Basch so much, hell its a proven scientific fact that if you put Basch as your lead in FFXII, you will grow hair on your chest. :)

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RESPONDING TO THREAD IN GENERAL: Oh brother!

I don't honestly detect much personality in the latest male characters appearing either. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of typical bishounen with about as much depth as a doorknob and can frequently be nothing more than simplistic cliches.

But what do I know? Maybe I just expect too much.

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This is why I love Basch so much, hell its a proven scientific fact that if you put Basch as your lead in FFXII, you will grow hair on your chest. :)

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Yup it happened to me, but being a girl it was rather imbarresing so i reverted to fran and instantly lost my trousers

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the only main female that had any substance to her was garnet. other than that, they are all braindead empty shells cast by the model of society.

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Agree 100% percent!

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I don't honestly detect much personality in the latest male characters appearing either. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of typical bishounen with about as much depth as a doorknob and can frequently be nothing more than simplistic cliches.

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Lets hope FF versus XIII will change that...(except the bishounen part lol)

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I don't honestly detect much personality in the latest male characters appearing either. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of typical bishounen with about as much depth as a doorknob and can frequently be nothing more than simplistic cliches.

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Lets hope FF versus XIII will change that...(except the bishounen part lol)

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I hope so too, he still seems like a few other angsty characters from past SE works but at the same time, its still too early to say. Though I find Nomura's explanation on his personality to be in some conflict of what we actually see in trailers but who knows.

>>> I dont care much about the "main Hero/Heroine" characters (those are dull by default), as long as we have more girls like Yuffie, im happy.

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I don't honestly detect much personality in the latest male characters appearing either. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of typical bishounen with about as much depth as a doorknob and can frequently be nothing more than simplistic cliches.

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This is why I love Basch so much, hell its a proven scientific fact that if you put Basch as your lead in FFXII, you will grow hair on your chest. :)

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Yup it happened to me, but being a girl it was rather imbarresing so i reverted to fran and instantly lost my trousers

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I honestly lold.

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>>> I dont care much about the "main Hero/Heroine" characters (those are dull by default), as long as we have more girls like Yuffie, im happy.

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You're dead to me... :mad2:

well,i've gotta disagree on a few accounts.

Faris was a pirate captain who somehow fooled a bunch of men into thinking she was a man.If that is stereotypical,I'll shoot a moogle.

Celes was a magic-enfused knight general in a ridiculously powerful empire.Then she just kinda...left.Not too afraid of what was going to happen to her.She took the beatings pretty well,I must say.

Garnet was...Garnet.She really pulled off the rebellion/loyalty/care/sassy thing well.

I liked all the girls in FFXII.And then there was Vaan....

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>>> I dont care much about the "main Hero/Heroine" characters (those are dull by default), as long as we have more girls like Yuffie, im happy.

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You're dead to me... :mad2:

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>>> Lol, this always happens whenever i say how much I like Yuffie..

because yuffie acts like shes been dropped on her head as a baby 10 too many times. oh, touchée!!

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RESPONDING TO THREAD IN GENERAL: Oh brother!

I don't honestly detect much personality in the latest male characters appearing either. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of typical bishounen with about as much depth as a doorknob and can frequently be nothing more than simplistic cliches.

But what do I know? Maybe I just expect too much.

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I absolutely agree. Man.

I would have been so much happier if it had been Basch in the main role like it was smurfing supposed to be! >=O! Vaan is offensive.

I guess this is just the way it has to be, I guess. No surprises. The side characters are always cooler. Etc. *big sigh*

Yuffie is redeemed in my eyes as she so ashamedly herself in ffvii, and then she performs amazingly in the bahamut fight and I can't help but feel her pain in Doc, when she stares up and says "vincent" there is something very emotional about that as she usually so hyper and cutesy. When aeris died and she was so sad i think part of it (other than they were friends obviously) was that yuffie was Very Young, but in Doc shes grown a lot, i love her.

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rikku/yuffie/selphie/eiko/penelo were all perky and had their quirks. lulu/tifa/quistis/freya/fran were all tough little baddies who kicked ass and didnt care enough to bother taking names later. whats so special about aeris, rinoa, and yuna? why dont they have a personality?

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I think that works there... anyway:

The hyper-perky types are basically all selfish in some way. Whether it be looking for Materia, fun, friends, or family, their motives are always self-driven and they express themselves freely (though there might be some scheming from time to time).

The badass type are usually perky and bishoujo not so talkative and typically know how to claim leadership in some way. They fight to protect others and sometimes for gain.

Aeris, Rinoa, and Yuna are all sacrificial lamb/perky bishoujo types. They are meant as the primary love interest and are usually the key to the world's salvation only through their sacrifice. Aeris died, Rinoa became possessed, and Yuna was ready to die along with Tidus in order to shut up Sin for another decade or so. Although she ended up not having to. She becomes a more typical hime-type bishoujo in X-2 alongside Rikku. Though she is meant to be the balance between Rikku's fun and flirty nature and Paine's emotionless bodyguard persona, she tends to match Rikku a little too often.

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because yuffie acts like shes been dropped on her head as a baby 10 too many times. oh, touchée!!

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>>> heh, It looks like we are from two different worlds. You guys will never understand Yuffie`s greatness.
BTW, FF7 Yuffie was the best.

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because yuffie acts like shes been dropped on her head as a baby 10 too many times. oh, touchée!!

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>>> heh, It looks like we are from two different worlds. You guys will never understand Yuffie`s greatness.
BTW, FF7 Yuffie was the best.

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I like AC better, but thats just cause she's hotter. Same With AC Tifa for that matter. :p

lol.

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>>> heh, It looks like we are from two different worlds. You guys will never understand Yuffie`s greatness.
BTW, FF7 Yuffie was the best.

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I am forever grateful that I do not exist in such a wretched world that would accept Yuffie as the "greatest", especially the original version of her...