Review on Disney's Frozen

Behold the next Lion King ?


For a while Disney has had plans to try and bring Hans Christian Anderson's tale of the cold-hearted, wicked Snow Queen to the animated big screen. At times they have failed, and have desired to bring The Snow Queen movie to the cinema, though they pushed it aside, believing that it couldn't be done.

Bring on 2011- 2010 when they have plans to do Frozen, about troll prophecy about a icy- cold-hearted ruler and a never-ending winter and the two main sisters of the story Anna and Elsa.

Early in development Elsa was the main villian, as it would be following the story, however they changed things, believing that Elsa's character would be a more powerful character as somebody who is misunderstood and struggles, and then overcomes her struggles.


And it worked well for Disney, and for the movie, as Elsa became a strong character and Queen.

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ugh, run away Kristoff. Run away.


The movie begins with a charismatic and charming opening number foreshadowing about Elsa, and the main villian of the movie. There's a frozen heart worth mining, but beware the frozen heart.

It's a nice and exciting beginning to the movie and it brings you right into the movie. However things begin to slip for the movie pretty fast.

Why ?

The Trolls. Usually in Norwegian legends, these are creepy and untrustworthy creatures that steal young blonde children. However within Frozen, they instead take care of the young orphan Kristoff.

Though, they are still dodgy and one of the worst characters that Disney has ever created, because they just throw bad and awful messages all over the place. Frozen tries hard, really hard, to break away from old cliches that Disney gets torn apart on, so instead they do something much worse.

The Trolls are supposed to help and aid the Arendelle royal family, and heal Anna's head injury, but instead they give out a traumatizing and scaring prediction to a young eight year old girl, that if she's not careful, people will fear and destroy her, and the Father, oh the Father, basically says right in front of them, that he plans to lock out Elsa, in her room, like a canary bird, and keep her apart from Anna, and they don't do a thing ?

Hey King Dad, that sounds like a awful and terrible idea, and is actually abusive. Stop ? No, instead they don't stop King Dad at all, and they let Elsa and Anna grow up separated. These are supposed to be breaking the cliche and be good guys, right ?


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Wanna build a snoooooowmmmmmaaaaan ?


The next song, Do You Want To Build A Snowman is simple, yet, heartbreaking and effective. It's emotional and it works. You can see the two young girls grow up, apart from each other. Poor Anna trying her best to get through to each other, and bond with each other as sisters should be doing.

However Elsa is so traumatized and frighted by what the trolls showed her, and her by mistake sending ice to Anna's forehead knocking her out, she doesn't want to make the same mistake again. She doesn't want to hurt or harm Anna, because she loves her, and she cares about her sister.

At the same time, you also feel for Anna and her character, growing up blocked from Elsa, and her having no clue or idea why. Anna grows up basically isolated, alone and bored.


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ANOTHER SONG RIGHT AWAY ?


The movie skips to three years later, and Elsa is about to become a Queen. However the movie wastes no time, into skipping into a average and not the greatest song ever created. It's pretty average, though it's pretty much a necessary evil, as it shows what harm and effect that Anna's awful childhood as caused to her.

Princess Anna is alone, and isolated, and she's desperate to be loved and adored. She believes that a Prince Charming can heal her emptiness and loneliness. However it could of been explained or said, told to the viewer without bursting into a song.


The movie has already had 3 main songs, with no huge breaks, and it can be annoying. There's no breath of air between the storytelling and songs.

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* Play Darth Vader Empire music here *


Next the movie basically throws Mr Prince Charming onto us, and well to be honest Anna and Hans do have some chemistry together, however Anna's massive crush on Mr sideburns shows. And he knows it.
They have a nice meeting together as he helps her up, after knocking her over with his horse.

Hans is nice, polite and shows Princely honor by bowing to her. It brings a few awkward laughs.


The next scene is Elsa's main coronation, she's now a main queen. However it's not too dull or necessary, you can smell, taste, feel, the awkwardness between the two main sisters, it's like they hardly know each other, and well, they don't, and the movie does a good job at showing this.

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He's already loosing it

Oh wow, another song. And a love song right ? Well no. This song makes the movie worth watching again, and while lyrics within the song are a bit cheesy, there is subtle interesting hints that Prince Charming isn't so pure and innocent. It's my favorite song within the whole movie, and one of my favorite villian songs.

At first, by first viewing, it feels like a cliche and not out of place Disney love song. So this is the next Whole New World or Can You Feel The Love Tonight right ? Nope, it's the new To Be Prepared, but disguised as Can You Feel The Love Tonight.

You maybe be thinking what the smurf, but it suits the villian Hans and matches his character, because he too his something sinister in disguise.

Though I really think that I love and adore the visuals here. The robotic clock dancing, the sock sliding down the hallway, the wishing upon the stars together, the romantic flowers and dancing.

It's all very beautiful, though secretly dark at the same time.

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Disney went fishing and they caught a big fish for that juicy Oscar

Next the story picks up pace as trout hits the fan, Elsa's powers are revealed as Anna and Hans beg for her to say yes, towards their quick marriage. She says no, as she's a sensible woman, and they have only met for like, a few hours.

However Anna pushes her, believing that Elsa wants her to be lonely and miserable, when in reality she only wants to protect her from harm and danger, and her powers are shown.

Elsa's big secret that she's keeping secret for so long is out.


People fear her and her powers, she is called a monster, and Anna chases after all. However she's scared, worried and afraid and flees to the Northern Mountain where she can't harm Anna or anybody else. If you haven't sorry for Elsa now, you will now.

Let It Go, is a nice song and it's inspirational, however it's never really worked for me personally. I really personally enjoyed the visuals again, of Elsa escaping from the kingdom, creating Olaf a important character later, and her beautiful and stunning ice castle.


I have heard that this song has helped those with social anxiety and depression, and that's nice.


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Ice is my life


Anna heads off alone to find and to try and help her older sister, so she leaves Hans a total stranger in charge of the Kingdom. Hans does offer to help her, but as soon as she drops leadership roles on him, he quickly changes his mind. Hmm. Suspicious.

Anna shaken and cold, bumps into Kristoff the main lead of the movie. Unlike Anna and Hans, they don't get along at all, and it's extremely awkward and uncomfortable. While Anna and Hans had chemistry from the beginning, Anna and Kristoff have nothing.

Anna just wants her sister back, and Kristoff just wants to be alone. However Anna forces Kristoff into helping out her find Elsa, there is a song here, but it's quick, and not too important.

Just a sad quick attempt to try and give Kristoff some character, and it fails. Instead of giving him a proper and decent song, they instead give him a joke song, while gives hints about Kristoff's feelings on life, that Reindeer's are better than people, it's not much.

The next few moments are just Kristoff ripping Anna's naivety apart for her quick marriage plans to Hans. Disney clearly did this on purpose to show they no longer agree with quick marriages. Though it's so not subtle, in fact it's right in front of your face. What happened to the subtle ?

There is a exciting wolf chase, and Anna tries to show that she's not a weak or feeble Princess, and they are able to escape, without being wolf dinner. However what Kristoff says next, worries me.


Kristoff ( Sven voice )- She'll die alone

Kristoff- I can live with that

Kristoff- ( Sven voice ) But you won't get a new sled if she dies

Kristoff- I really don't like you sometimes


Wh-what- what- what- whataaat ? Isn't Hans supposed to be the villian in disguise here ? What the smurf Disney, that's just, what ?

Anna doesn't here this either, which concerns me even more. She had no idea that Kristoff couldn't be smurfed if she died from coldness, got eaten by wolfs or whatever and only tagged along for a new sled originally.


Next comes in Olaf, which makes up for what is going on, he's warm, funny, friendly, kind-hearted, and his song In Summer is pretty random and hilarious. Again it matches his character. Kristoff wants to tell Olaf that he's going to melt if he ever faces Summer, which Anna and him plan to bring back, however it's not really all that genuine until the end of the song as he wants to tell for the laughs. However good old Anna shuts him up.

Kristoff at the end of the song shows a real desire to tell Olaf that his ambition is dangerous, so I guess Kristoff isn't a huge douche after all.

Villain VS Villain time


The movie takes you back to Arendelle with Hans passing out cloaks and warm food, and making sure that he's getting people's love and praise. However the side villian the Duke, refuses to believe that Hans is doing a good job, causing Hans to snap. It's a interesting villian face-off, really.

Anna's horse comes back, as Hans calms it down, which is interesting, and the Duke whispers plans to his henchmen to "remove " Queen Elsa. The music has a rather creepy tune here, as the camera faces the Duke, and then heads back to Anna and Kristoff, giving you a sense of warning and danger, and making you believe that Hans is innocent and Duke is the lead villian.

Anna's plans to try and bring back Elsa back home fail as she pushes Elsa even more further to her limits, and Elsa strikes a ice-y spell to Anna's heart. Elsa is at breaking point, and sends her sister away and Kristoff with a giant snowman.

Kristoff shows quick changes here, as he helps Anna and make sure that she's alright. I would be like, Kristoff is just that douche that warms and changes into a better person, but Hans does this alot. Though I'm easier on Kristoff, because he really proves later that he does care about Anna. Though it just feels like bad-writing, either that or I have been traumatized and haven't realized it yet.



DUMP THE FIANCE GO WITH NEW MAN INSTEAD, IT'S OKAY HUN


Here comes to worst part of the movie. Hang on, I need to get a drink. Hm, no still doesn't do anything.

Anna and Kristoff's love song, is a smurfing Fixer Upper song. Disney is like " oooh noo quick marriages are bad and awful and we are good people now " but then they smurfing ruin it with this.

Kids, listen. Do not date a fixer- upper, because he can never be fixed, and fixer uppers are dangerous people, that can later screw you over. This is what smurfs me over with this movie. The nice guy, who gives out warm blankets and food, and shows care for Anna and chemistry is the sicko, and the fixer upper, WHO ORIGINALLY COULDN'T CARE LESS WHETHER ANNA LIVED OR DIED, is the boyfriend.

The trolls suggest that Hans should be pushed out of the way, and date our most likely stolen son instead. Unless the trolls have been stalking Hans, they have no smurfing idea of his plans, and it's just a bad awful message and extremely rude. Little kids are going to grow up with this, thinking that the Fixer Upper man is the man to go for and nice guy, is going to murder your smurfing family.

Nice job, Disney, nice job.

Not to mention that the trolls push Anna and Kristoff into oh, a quick wedding ! So this quick wedding is okay ? I don't understand. The movie was doing so well to teach children that quick weddings are awful.

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You mean, nobody loves you Hans, you are a bit confused there son



The trolls actually give good advice for once and mention that Anna can be cured by true loves kiss, so it's back to Hans. However Hans is busy playing Game Of Thrones with Elsa, and has just tried to squash her like a pancake with her icy castle chandelier. When watching the movie the first time, you believe that Hans is just playing the hero role, the main male role, however he just have a savior complex.

Hans fails to take out Elsa, so he locks her in chains. I have no idea how he does this, being a upper class rich boy who loves sandwiches but he somehow manages too. I guess for prince lessons in the Southern Isles, it's sword-fencing, waltzing, manners, and chains designs. Damn, Prince Eric from Little Mermaid really missed out.

Anna comes back frozen and cold, and Kristoff realizes that he has to give her up to Hans, leaving to a emotional moment, but Kristoff knew from the beginning that she already had a lover ? Why did he let himself fall in love and so quickly ? I guess emotions cannot be helped, but you would think that you could control a crush on a girl that you have just met, just a little more strongly son ??

What happens next is what has broken the hearts of fangirls everywhere, boo-hoo. This is what made me love Hans, and his whole character and his villainy.

Instead of giving Anna the old typical true loves kiss, he instead in the most assface way possible, tells her that nobody loves her, and that he was just using her to get to the throne and he's gonna lock her in so she can freeze to death.

ouch

However it breaks a stereotype and a cliche of the Prince Charming and it's pretty damn evil. Disney villains are usually pretty dark and disturbing they have more fantasy and imagination put into them. Hans just feels more human and more real, and it's really disturbing and nightmare-fuelish for a movie aimed at 4- 7 year old girls who are going to dress in pretty Elsa and Anna outfits. It's just, wow.

However I still like and enjoy Hans as a character personally, due to him not growing up in a healthy home environment and he was abused and mistreated by a army of 12 brothers. Not growing up within a healthy home, and getting mentally abused by older brothers, I can relate.

I don't know what hurts more, Anna getting hurt and getting left to freeze to death, or a character that you would of understood and would of tried to befriend and hang out with, become a total monster.

Also Frozen is very family is love, kind and caring and will always be there for you. Hans shows that they always won't be, but instead of making him a interesting and complexed character that could of shown that toxic families are no good, and get the hell out of there children, instead they just drop the villian plotwist and label on him.

smurf you Disney.


True love thaws


The ending is pretty epic and well done I must say. It's pretty fast and exicting and has plenty of twists and turns, leaving you to guess what happens and occurs next and whether if Anna and Elsa are going to make it.

Throughout the review I have been harsh on Kristoff, however he completely makes up for everything he's done throughout the movie, and completely gives up everything, he even almost looses his best friend Sven's life, to make sure that Anna is alive and okay. Kristoff doesn't even know if Hans is a jerk. He just loves her so much, and wants to know if she is okay.

What a sweetie.


Of course it's a happy ending, Hans is stopped before he can behead Elsa, and is sent back home, most likely to be hanged or beheaded. There is a light punch from Anna, and it's awesome to see her stand up for herself and punch the bastard off the boat.

Elsa and Anna are now connected and Anna and Kristoff kiss, beginning a slow and new relationship.


It's a nice movie, though not without it's flaws. However I feel like, it's hugely overated.

7 .5 / 10


* How did I do for my first movie review, any tips ?

Not a bad review. Here's mine.

Tangled was better. 8/10. The End.

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Not a bad review. Here's mine.

Tangled was better. 8/10. The End.

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Hmm Tangled was a 7/ 10 for me


I hated the Dreamworks " Best day EVA " Talk


And " Here comes the smolder "


Like, does the thing the ginger cat does in Shrek 2

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Not a bad review. Here's mine.

Tangled was better. 8/10. The End.

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Quoted for truth.

PS: Don't take my post seriously. Still I personally think it really is not as good as Tangled.

Personally I don't agree with your opinion on a lot of things.

1. The Troll king healed Anna's head injury but you say that he also turned on Elsa and told her that her powers are dangerous. Yes, this is true, but the entire reason that they came to see the trolls is because of Elsa's lack of control. The Troll King was telling her that she needed to control her powers, which seemed to be the practical thing to do. A child with a great power is oen of the most dangerous things and for the King, locking Elsa away also seemed like the right thing to do for the protection of his family and his people as well as Elsa. Hiding her gift from Anna wasn't quite necessary but it made sure that she wasn't afraid of her older sister. What would you have done in the situation? Killed Elsa? Told everyone that she had magical powers so that people would fear her? I'd actually love to hear your explanation of what you would do if you were her father.

2. I don't think "Love Is An Open Door" is a villainous song at all. It was Hans trying to convince Anna that they really are in love. Maybe he does like her a lot but the song isn't foreshadowing or menacing at all, and it's actually my least favorite.

3. You failed to mention one of the cliches that are rampant in Disney movies: marrying someone that you've just met. I like that Disney turns away from this because it's just what they are expected to do with their stories. This movie is about showing the power of love in a different form, that love of a family can be just as true as a love with a mate.

4. Anna heads off alone to find her sister because I'm sure she's thought through what might happened and considers the fact Elsa is afraid and may hurt somebody if she thinks she's going to be forced back to the kingdom. Put yourself in Elsa's shoes. You've just revealed your powers over ice and the cold, and after running away your sister comes after you with a group of men. What are you going to think?
Also, it was sort of an idiot move for Anna to leave Hans in charge but she truly believed they were in love at this point. You have to remember that. She's naive and young and dumb, and she thinks that Hans will take care of everything for her. He does do a good job taking care of the people while she's gone and he even goes after her when Anna's horse comes back to Arendelle riderless. I'm sure he's assuming he will find her in the snow somewhere but regardless, he still plays the part of Prince Charming throughout the entire movie. There's nothing sinister about him until the end.

5. I don't think it's true that Kristoff and Anna have no chemistry. Maybe they have none romantically but their conversations flow fairly well and it's obvious that they have potential to be friends. The best of friends don't agree all the time and I think that's what makes them best friends because they know they don't share opinions on everything but still accept each other for who they are.

6. Kristoff's song about reindeer isn't supposed to be a main song. It's just him playing a mandolin and singing to Sven. That's all. I think it does show a lot of his character. First off, in listening to the song, one understands that Kristoff does not trust people. He thinks they're all selfish and only are out to serve themselves (like Hans, unbeknownst to the audience yet). But the second part of it subtly suggests that Kristoff does long to know people but I don't think he knows a way of interacting without without being social awkward. I mean, the audience doesn't know it yet but the kid was raised by trolls. How normal can you be in that situation? He even talks to his reindeer, which leads me into the other part of this section. His "conversation" with Sven about Anna dying in the woods? We all know that Kristoff wasn't going to let her go off alone to die in the woods. Sven is his moral compass in his mind and guides him in the right direction. It was his way of giving himself a logical reason to follow her. Also, the whole conversation about Kristoff antagonizing Anna about her quick marriage with Hans? That wasn't supposed to be subtle at all, obviously. When did Disney say they were being subtle about going against cliches? In all honesty, I think that it sounds like you just wanted to write about all the negative things of this movie and then you gave it a 7.5/10? From the way you describe it, it sounds like you should have given it a 2/10. I don't think you mentioned one good thing about it except that you liked Hans.

7. Personally I think the "In Summer" song was completely unnecessary. It did nothing for the movie and was basically a waste of time. I usually skip over it when I watch the movie because someone can do that and still understand the storyline without missing anything.

8. Seriously? The "Fixer Upper" song is a misunderstand on the trolls' part. They think that Kristoff has brought her to them because he wants to marry her and when he mentions she's engaged to someone else, they think it's a quick fix to just marry them outright right there. They think they are helping when it's obvious they're not. Kristoff and Anna quickly stomp this small flame of hope out for them when they inform the trolls that they are only there to see what can be done about Anna's condition.
Also? Your opinion on the "fixer-uppers" being dangerous? It sort of made me laugh. EVERYBODY is a fixer-upper, whether they want to admit it or not. We all have flaws that we need to continuously work on and better ourselves. Kristoff is a fixer-upper. Anna is a fixer-upper. You're a fixer-upper. I'm a fixer-upper. I like that the movie shows that people use "true love" as a weapon to get what they want via Hans. Also, it's true that Kristoff doesn't much like people but he wasn't going to let Anna die. Throughout the movie this becomes apparent because of what kind of person he is.
One thing that I liked about what you said is: "Little kids are going to grow up with this, thinking that the Fixer Upper man is the man to go for and nice guy, is going to murder your smurfing family." Sadly, this is actually what happens a lot in real life. The "fixer-upper" man is actually the guy to go for. Usually nice guys that you don't know are out to murder your "smurfing" family. Take Ted Bundy for example. He was handsome, suave and he seemed genuinely nice when women first met him and became interested in him. Do I need to say more?

9. "The trolls actually give good advice for once and mention that Anna can be cured by true loves kiss". Wrong. The grandfather troll says that an act of true love will break the curse and Anna assumes that he is talking about the love of a man. Back to the part where Disney is trying to show that family love is just as true as the love between a couple.

10. "Anna comes back frozen and cold, and Kristoff realizes that he has to give her up to Hans, leaving to a emotional moment, but Kristoff knew from the beginning that she already had a lover ? Why did he let himself fall in love and so quickly ? I guess emotions cannot be helped, but you would think that you could control a crush on a girl that you have just met, just a little more strongly son ??" Let's see...This guy has just gone on an adventure with this woman, risked his life to save her butt, she's saved his and you don't think there might be some chemistry there. Their feelings for each other were earned through their trials and eventual trust within each other.

11. I don't think it's disturbing at all that Hans is the real villain. Personally I think that regardless of the Fantasy elements, Frozen is the most "real" story that Disney gets. The characters actually seem like they are real people because that's how they would act. Anna isn't a lovely princess with flowing gowns and batting eyelashes. She's a complete dork, just like me, and I relate with her easily. She slips and trips and stuffs chocolate in her face. It's true originally Kristoff's intentions are just to serve himself but eventually he comes to like Anna. Elsa is just frightened of an uncontrollable power that she has. She's not some raging snow queen biotch that just wants to kill everyone because of their normal lives, like any other Disney "villain" would be.

Personally I think you focused a LOT on the negative parts of Frozen, even though you gave it a fairly high rating. I would suggest talking about the positive things more often.

This thread should be marked *spoiler alert*

I think when you mentioned being traumatized, you may have meant "ruined for real stories by the Flanderized Disney garbage". In past Disney films, we'd have the villain literally shoved down our throats. We know who they are. Because they monologue or have a talking pet to gab with, we know their plans. They're ugly or wear dark colors and they're easily stirred to anger. This cliché was broken with Hans who manages to keep his schemes a secret like any decent villain should. The Duke of Weselton isn't a villain or sub-villain. He's just a sniveling weasel. Like "the Jerkass is worse than the villain" we're made to think he's a bad guy.

The "fixer-upper" song is not meant to imply anything about a "Draco in Leather Pants" with so many girls swooning "he's an abusive asshole, but I can change him." Abusers are not considered fixer-uppers. They're considered to be people who can't be changed. Fixer-uppers in themselves are not horrible people. I'm a fixer-upper. I've had four girlfriends who have had to work to change things about me they found boring, annoying, or just far too naïve. My last girlfriend hoped changing how I eat and treat my body would ensure I wouldn't die at 30.

While I think this was actually a better movie than Tangled, I will acquiesce that it could have been better. But that's something I feel toward all movies and not even Disney in particular. I wonder how Aladdin would have played out if Jafar wasn't treated in the stereotypical villain sense. If he had no parrot and no monologues and we were never shown the inbetweens in which he hypnotized the sultan or ordered Aladdin's capture or his involvement with the Cave of Wonders.

Disney movies are like watching Columbo. You know who did it.

So, I was watching this:



And I only just realised today that Let It Go features a line that has the words Frozen Fractals in it. This literally makes it awesome to me. I'm sure the only other person to appreciate this will be Pike. xD

You know I agree with you maybee that there are so many things wrong with this movie. The Fixer Upper song was painful to watch. A lot of people who I have seen argue in favour of that particular scene, saying it's obvious that the trolls misunderstood or whatever, are having to dig deep in order to prove that. Kids watching this movie are not going to analyse it like that; they are going to accept it on face value and sing the words around their houses.

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You can fix this fixer-upper
Up with a little bit of love!

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Kristoff: ENOUGH! She is engaged to someone else, okay?!
Cliff: So she's a bit of a fixer-upper,
Male Troll 4: That's a minor thing.
Male Troll 5: Her quote 'engagement' is a flex arrangement.
Troll Child: And by the way I don't see no ring!

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People make bad choices if they're mad,
Or scared, or stressed.
Throw a little love their way.
And you'll bring out their best.

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None of those messages are positive on face value.

I also agree with you maybee that earlier they were so against a quick marriage, and that's an awesome message given how quickly everyone generally gets married in Disney movies, but then suddenly they are promoting it as being a fantastic idea again with a peppy song.

I have many other issues with the movie, but I will focus on these because I don't want to get too deeply into it. My favourite part of the whole movie was that song between Kristoff and Sven though, with Kristoff playing both parts. I have a bit of a soft spot for Jonathan Groff. Also for Idina Menzel. That's actually one of the reasons I'm sad that this movie fell flat for me.

Yeah, the whole "Disney is laughing in the face of their previous quick marriages trope!" is completely undermined by the fact that Kristoff and Ana fall in love in a few days time. Maybe instead of kissing her he could've asked her out on a date to show--hey! It's okay to take things one step at a time. You guys went from disliking each other, to being friends, to having a crush.

Also, I know it's sisterly love verses mother-daughter love, but Disney did the "family love is true love too" much better with Brave, imo.

I agree on both counts Jinx.

Way to go from "I don't mind if she dies, but I want a sled" to loving her in a matter of a few days. I'd love to see more kids movies end with "Would you like to go out for dinner?" instead of love and kisses and happily ever afters.

Apart from the high frequency of the songs, this seems to be the most common complaint I see about the movie. That they do such a good job turning away from a lot of their previous tropes only to fall right back on them before the movie ends. And if you point this fact out to the fanbase you better be equipped with a sword and a shield. But that's only if you're e-famous.

As a thespian, I wasn't personally all that bothered by the frequency of songs. They tried to make this movie a lot more like a musical than some of their others, potentially because they had the incredible musical theatre performer Idina Menzel as an asset on their cast, and Jonathan who is seasoned musical theatre performer as well. Knowing these were two of the actors before I saw the movie meant that I approached it as a movie-musical and thus wasn't at all surprised; perhaps I would have felt differently if I went into it blind.

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1. The Troll king healed Anna's head injury but you say that he also turned on Elsa and told her that her powers are dangerous. Yes, this is true, but the entire reason that they came to see the trolls is because of Elsa's lack of control. The Troll King was telling her that she needed to control her powers, which seemed to be the practical thing to do. A child with a great power is oen of the most dangerous things and for the King, locking Elsa away also seemed like the right thing to do for the protection of his family and his people as well as Elsa. Hiding her gift from Anna wasn't quite necessary but it made sure that she wasn't afraid of her older sister. What would you have done in the situation? Killed Elsa? Told everyone that she had magical powers so that people would fear her? I'd actually love to hear your explanation of what you would do if you were her father.

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Elsa's fear is what causes her powers to activate without her intent. Perhaps, I don't know, parenting your child would go a long way to making sure she doesn't blast anyone in the face with ice magic. Teach her how to be calm and test her to see what causes it to happen so that she can control it. You don't need to tell the whole world your kid is a witch; take her out back in a secret place. What's the difference between locking her in her room forever and locking her in her room until she gains control of her power at which point she can have a real childhood and you don't emotionally stunt two sisters and estrange them from each other.

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3. You failed to mention one of the cliches that are rampant in Disney movies: marrying someone that you've just met. I like that Disney turns away from this because it's just what they are expected to do with their stories. This movie is about showing the power of love in a different form, that love of a family can be just as true as a love with a mate.

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Not marrying Hans is nice. Falling for the other guy is less of a break away from stereotypes. The story is supposed to be about familial bonds, so shoehorning Kristoff-Anna together seems pointless. It's nice that this is subverted in the kiss, but the mention of True Love's Kiss and Anna going "oh snap does Kristoff like me? well I better kiss him" undermines the whole bit where we ask: Does Anna actually have romantic feelings towards him, or is she just happy to take anyone who is interested in her? Because 2 from 2 is a pretty dodgy track record.

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4. Anna heads off alone to find her sister because I'm sure she's thought through what might happened and considers the fact Elsa is afraid and may hurt somebody if she thinks she's going to be forced back to the kingdom. Put yourself in Elsa's shoes. You've just revealed your powers over ice and the cold, and after running away your sister comes after you with a group of men. What are you going to think?

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Does a snowman, a reindeer, and one ice cutter count as a "group of men"? Elsa lets her fear and protective streak get the better of her and wants Anna to leave. She is too pig-headed to actually listen to the argument that, um, the whole of everywhere is smurfed over by your eternal winter (ps how did anyone know it was eternal, it had been like 3 days tops by the end). I understand that she wanted to be free and I wholly support that goal, but maybe not being a complete bitch to the only family you have left would be nice. She was actually important to you, and she, y'know, will die if you freak out and shoot her with ice ma-- oh, oh you just did that. Good one, Elsa.

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Also, it was sort of an idiot move for Anna to leave Hans in charge but she truly believed they were in love at this point. You have to remember that. She's naive and young and dumb, and she thinks that Hans will take care of everything for her. He does do a good job taking care of the people while she's gone and he even goes after her when Anna's horse comes back to Arendelle riderless. I'm sure he's assuming he will find her in the snow somewhere but regardless, he still plays the part of Prince Charming throughout the entire movie. There's nothing sinister about him until the end.

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Hans is great. His motivations are horrific but he plays the nice guy really well. I can't fault Anna for trusting him because she is a moron.

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5. I don't think it's true that Kristoff and Anna have no chemistry. Maybe they have none romantically but their conversations flow fairly well and it's obvious that they have potential to be friends. The best of friends don't agree all the time and I think that's what makes them best friends because they know they don't share opinions on everything but still accept each other for who they are.

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They learn how to get along pretty well over two days but, um, yeah, that's not exactly the best conditions to start a relationship, especially when you have bigger fish to fry, and that Anna has literally fallen in love with the only two men she has met since she was a child.

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In all honesty, I think that it sounds like you just wanted to write about all the negative things of this movie and then you gave it a 7.5/10? From the way you describe it, it sounds like you should have given it a 2/10. I don't think you mentioned one good thing about it except that you liked Hans.

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Perfectly valid. Plenty of other people have published what they liked about it. Perhaps maybee was particularly unpleased with the rabid fans who overlooked some really dodgy qualities. Frozen was a good movie. It has some horrific lessons. I'd give it a 7ish out of 10. You will not hear me say any nice things about it apart from "the animation was magnificent" because I am more passionate about the bad things being overlooked.

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8. Seriously? The "Fixer Upper" song is a misunderstand on the trolls' part. They think that Kristoff has brought her to them because he wants to marry her and when he mentions she's engaged to someone else, they think it's a quick fix to just marry them outright right there. They think they are helping when it's obvious they're not. Kristoff and Anna quickly stomp this small flame of hope out for them when they inform the trolls that they are only there to see what can be done about Anna's condition.

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Marriage is not a "solution" for another betrothal. This teaches children that if they can steal somebody's love then they should. Can you imagine a generation of girls who backstab each other to win boys? Far out. The fact that this is a musical jingle makes it problematic.

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Also? Your opinion on the "fixer-uppers" being dangerous? It sort of made me laugh. EVERYBODY is a fixer-upper, whether they want to admit it or not. We all have flaws that we need to continuously work on and better ourselves. Kristoff is a fixer-upper. Anna is a fixer-upper. You're a fixer-upper. I'm a fixer-upper. I like that the movie shows that people use "true love" as a weapon to get what they want via Hans. Also, it's true that Kristoff doesn't much like people but he wasn't going to let Anna die. Throughout the movie this becomes apparent because of what kind of person he is.
One thing that I liked about what you said is: "Little kids are going to grow up with this, thinking that the Fixer Upper man is the man to go for and nice guy, is going to murder your smurfing family." Sadly, this is actually what happens a lot in real life. The "fixer-upper" man is actually the guy to go for. Usually nice guys that you don't know are out to murder your "smurfing" family. Take Ted Bundy for example. He was handsome, suave and he seemed genuinely nice when women first met him and became interested in him. Do I need to say more?

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This is personal opinion and not a universal definition for the term fixer-upper. If a guy beats you, just show him love: he's a fixer-upper and loving him will help him! If a girl is clingy and doesn't let you see your friends, stick with her anyway: a little love can change the world! There are some really terrible applications of this mindset that people will encounter frequently in their lives. I don't think anyone who argues against this song is a proponent of the idea that you should toss aside anyone who is any work. But if you are not happy, don't stay in a smurfing relationship under the false guise that it will get better. I have seen this numerous times and I have been a part of this. It nearly killed me but I tell you what I loved my little heart out. Didn't change a damn thing.

There are plenty of negative things in Frozen that aren't highlighted nearly enough. Disney has a multitude of problems generally but you will rarely hear anyone say anything bad about them except that potentially there is a chance that Walt Disney was maybe potentially possible anti-Semitic. Maybe. It's very likely to be untrue. But that's the only bad thing I ever hear about anything Disney. Oh. Also that Disney World sucks and Disney Land is better. Critical discourse is important.

I think he came up with the sled thing because he wanted to act macho and didnt want to admit to himself that he cared. Or to his moose.

I really wish I wasn't at work and could type out a much longer reply to this, but I'll have to leave it at this.

While a lot of the criticisms I see raised about Frozen, and Disney tropes in general, are certainly valid. The one thing I always find myself asking myself is, are people really insinuating in their criticisms, that children have no power for critical thought? It's not like the only media they are consuming is Disney movies.

Heck, I was brought up on Disney movies, I'm going to be 28 this year and I'm a) single, b) not interested in marriage and c) don't really care much for relationships, and never really have. Following the logic that Disney movies "teach" kids things, I would probably have thrown my virginity onto someone as soon as I turned 14 and be married with 8 kids by now.

Disney films by their very nature are often over-romanticized versions of life. Most kids above 5 are very much aware of the fact that a) it isn't real and b) not to literally apply the message. Sure children may be more impressionable, they aren't however, passive sponges that will just accept everything at face value.

If people are really relying on Disney movies to teach their children the way of life and build their child's core values, then well, the fault isn't really with Disney.

A very valid point, Aulayna. I just take issue with the fact that most popular animated and/or kids films are promoting these same messages. It's rare that we see anything that breaks away from that mould and the sheer concentration of these messages surely affects kids. Writing catchy songs with such questionable lyrics so that kids can't stop singing them makes me uncomfortable; they aren't all bad, but I'd much rather hear kids singing something like Let It Go than Fixer Upper.

The main reason I care more about the tropes in Frozen than in other Disney films, animated films, or just kids films in general, is because the goal of Frozen was to break these. They tried to break the quick marriage trope at the start, but then Anna and Kristoff still got together at the end. They tried to make it about sisterly/familial love, but then Anna and Kristoff still got together at the end.​

Yeah, I agree on that. Kristoff and Anna, after the Hans and Anna subversion moment, was pretty much a UWOTM8 thing for me. Though then again I have seen people fall for each other in a very short space of time in the real world too, some of them went on to have happy relationships. I definitely think it would've been better if they focused more on the Anna/Elsa relationship, and perhaps had Kristoff and Anna ending up a close-friends.

The ultimate irony of that would be the internet would've started shipping Kristoff and Anna anyway...

As for Fixer-Upper, I do think that entire segment was particularly convoluted and badly executed. The wider message of standing by your friends despite their faults is a good one to send, but then they really muddied that water by anchoring it on marriage.

Though I might just be unique in this (although with billions of people in the world I doubt it xD), there are some songs that are catchy that I sing and don't really think much of the lyrics. Like when I was on night shift I used to sing the lyrics to Judas Priest - Livin' After Midnight when getting ready to go to work some nights, when the lyrics to that were hardly relatable to actually going to an office job overnight.

I agree on all points. It's perfectly possible for people to fall for each other quickly, but I definitely think it undermines the themes in this.

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Personally I think you focused a LOT on the negative parts of Frozen, even though you gave it a fairly high rating. I would suggest talking about the positive things more often.

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I'm going to try and warm up my writing skills, before attempting a movie review ever again, it may be a while, a long while.

I believe that this review is complete junk and should of spent some more time on it.

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I think he came up with the sled thing because he wanted to act macho and didnt want to admit to himself that he cared. Or to his moose.

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You know I agree with you maybee that there are so many things wrong with this movie. The Fixer Upper song was painful to watch. A lot of people who I have seen argue in favour of that particular scene, saying it's obvious that the trolls misunderstood or whatever, are having to dig deep in order to prove that. Kids watching this movie are not going to analyse it like that; they are going to accept it on face value and sing the words around their houses.

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You can fix this fixer-upper
Up with a little bit of love!

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Kristoff: ENOUGH! She is engaged to someone else, okay?!
Cliff: So she's a bit of a fixer-upper,
Male Troll 4: That's a minor thing.
Male Troll 5: Her quote 'engagement' is a flex arrangement.
Troll Child: And by the way I don't see no ring!

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People make bad choices if they're mad,
Or scared, or stressed.
Throw a little love their way.
And you'll bring out their best.

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None of those messages are positive on face value.

I also agree with you maybee that earlier they were so against a quick marriage, and that's an awesome message given how quickly everyone generally gets married in Disney movies, but then suddenly they are promoting it as being a fantastic idea again with a peppy song.

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Bless <3

If Kristoff/ Anna had a more romantic Disney song that was more about how they feel, that what Kristoff's troll family feels, then it would of felt less sudden, more honest, more genuine.

Kristoff/ Anna was supposed to feel really honest, to defeat the falseness of Hans/ Anna, but it doesn't. It feels like Disney trips over the carpet during the last moments, and it's sad, because it could of came out alot stronger and more passionate.

A Whole New World, Can You Feel The Love, So This Is Love, Part Of Your World

They are all special, heart-warming and shows the love and desire between the two lovers, and they are all special songs, no matter how much they age.

Even the Lady And The Tramp pasta love song, does a better job at this, and that was a love story between two pet animals.

I pray that when Frozen 2 comes out, and it will, because money, that they strongly develop these two guys, and make their love seem more real and more stronger.

Oh yes

Beginning of Frozen- quick marriages are a bad and horrible idea.

Yes good.

Ending of Frozen- quick marriages are okay and should be celebrated !

Wait-

What ?

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I'm going to try and warm up my writing skills, before attempting a movie review ever again, it may be a while, a long while.

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Your choice at the end of the day, but I'm going to put it out there that the best way to improve is to keep writing movie reviews. It's hard to get better at something if you avoid it entirely.

You wrote a review, post it, promoted discussion and held your ground when people criticized your points. You're already well on your way.

As a bit of hopefully constructive criticism, I think that if you write a review that is meant to give someone who hasn't seen a movie some insight into what the movie is like and if it is worth checking out or not, you should probably avoid spoilers. It might be difficult to write about certain things in a movie without talking about them in a way that gives away the plot, but that's one of the challenges of writing a good review, I guess. If I had not seen it already, I would have been very annoyed to find out which characters were bad guys, and it might have killed my desire to actually watch it, even if the review gave me the impression that it was a good movie.

I too agree that the final score does not reflect the rest of the review accurately. There is a chance that you have fallen victim to the as of late very common score-inflation that we see in video games, where 1-6 is trash, 7 is OK, 8 is good and 9-10 is great, effectively using a ten-point scale as if it was a 4 point scale. In either case, I think you should think about this the next time you set a final score. Of course, there's nothing wrong with a 4-point scale either, but why use 10 points for it when 4 is enough, right?

I actually kind of like 4-point scales because it forces the reviewer to take a stand, as there is no number to represent "completely, utterly, perfectly average". You have to make a decision, is it ultimately a good movie, or a bad movie?

Not every review is designed to be a 'preview' of a movie/book/etc. Writing an analysis of a text and referring to it as a review is also perfectly acceptable. A spoiler alert so that people who haven't seen the movie knew that this was the approach being taken might've helped, but maybee's review analyses deeper themes of the movie and uses evidence to support her claims, and that can definitely still be referred to as a 'review'.

Perhaps it is not a review in the preview sense. Given that Frozen came out November of last year, it is unlikely that any publications anywhere would run a review that doesn't critically analyse it in more depth. Including spoilers is perhaps the best way of gaining readers for a piece like this. Call it a critique, instead of review, if that helps semantically.

The final score represents her opinion on the film. Should she dedicate her time to waffling on about the things that she thinks were good? The entire rest of the world has a hard on for Frozen. Everything good about it has been said a thousand times before. Maybee's review would contribute nothing to the discourse if she worried about praising the good things. Highlighting the negative aspects is important. Does Frozen deserve a 2/10 because it thinks it does better at undermining tropes than it actually does? No. No it does not. It has great animation and the voice acting and singing are wonderful and it is an entertaining film. There's your positives. Now let's highlight the negative aspects which everyone tends to overlook because of the whimsical desire for a fairytale of their own. People spruik it as being the most progressive Disney film with really great messages and all of those fall flat when actually examined.

1) Films are not always parables. They can be art, they can be entertaining and they can have themes like any story but it is really important to separate films with a lesson or moral center from feel good films with more general themes of goodness.

2) Despite the statement above it was fairly obvious to me that the song "Fixer Upper" was ironic. In reality it is about the pressure young people feel to conform to ideals placed on them by their family. The fact that Kristoff's family were dismissive of their actual feelings is a dead give away to the fact that the message of the song is obviously meant to conflict with the overall message of the film (that we need to examine our feelings and share them so we don't close ourselves off like Elsa and Kristofferson nor do we experience hyper emotions a la Anna.). If you think this is too heavy or mature an interpretation, my five year old cousin got it.

3) I disagree with the idea that Anna and Kristoff sharing a kiss at the end is in conflict with the message about the dangers of infatuation. A kiss is not marriage. A kiss is not an indicator of true love. A kiss is an experiment to see if you really like someone.

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Elsa's fear is what causes her powers to activate without her intent.

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Her parents don't know this and she didn't tell them. Why would she when she's too young to know it's important?

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Perhaps, I don't know, parenting your child would go a long way to making sure she doesn't blast anyone in the face with ice magic. Teach her how to be calm and test her to see what causes it to happen so that she can control it.

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While we live in an era where we do actively try to determine the cause of something because we realize it is the best way to potentially control it, Frozen seems to not be in that era at least when it comes to things that affect human beings. It could be said that in an attempt to stay true to said era, they decided to embrace the fear. How else would Elsa become a Snow Queen if things did not go in such a bad direction? I suppose she could have accidentally killed her sister... but then she really would lose her mind and go evil.

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the mention of True Love's Kiss and Anna going "oh snap does Kristoff like me? well I better kiss him" undermines the whole bit where we ask: Does Anna actually have romantic feelings towards him, or is she just happy to take anyone who is interested in her?

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It may be difficult to derive Anna's feelings at the moment as she is patly more concerned with surviving and trying to help her sister. And why should she be concerned with how she feels toward him when Kristoff wasn't even really aware of his feelings toward her?

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Hans is great. His motivations are horrific but he plays the nice guy really well. I can't fault Anna for trusting him because she is a moron.

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Strong word. Anna has had no experience with the outside world and doesn't have a grasp of the depths of deceit. Her sister doesn't trust people because she has had to keep her powers a secret to protect the family. Thus she has a better grasp of human nature.

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Marriage is not a "solution" for another betrothal. This teaches children that if they can steal somebody's love then they should. Can you imagine a generation of girls who backstab each other to win boys? Far out. The fact that this is a musical jingle makes it problematic.

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Have you ever heard of "AIFILAW"?

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This is personal opinion and not a universal definition for the term fixer-upper. If a guy beats you, just show him love: he's a fixer-upper and loving him will help him! If a girl is clingy and doesn't let you see your friends, stick with her anyway: a little love can change the world!

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Except that neither of those traits are mentioned in the song. In no way does it encourage people to think of control freaks, stalkers and abusers as fixer-uppers. It also doesn't say anything about settling into a lost cause.

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This is personal opinion and not a universal definition for the term fixer-upper. If a guy beats you, just show him love: he's a fixer-upper and loving him will help him! If a girl is clingy and doesn't let you see your friends, stick with her anyway: a little love can change the world!

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Except that neither of those traits are mentioned in the song. In no way does it encourage people to think of control freaks, stalkers and abusers as fixer-uppers. It also doesn't say anything about settling into a lost cause.

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"People make bad choices if they're mad,
Or scared, or stressed."

But you should love them anyway. He's mad so he hit you? Bit of love will fix him. She's scared so she's clingy? Bit of love will fix her too. It's really not a stretch at all to derive those themes from the lyrics.

I never thought I'd use this phrase, but "I think you're reading too much into it."

Hardly. The concept of changing and improving a man (or woman) exists in our society and the Fixer-Upper song reinforces that. The song doesn't directly reference that, but there's a reason people complain about rape culture alongside the actual problem of rape. It perpetuates a type of thinking that is dangerous.

If Elsa's parents weren't going to put the effort in to figure out what the hell was going on, why would they let her live? Her power could grow to the point where she unintentionally blasted the entire castle and killed everyone. They had no idea what was going to happen. Sure, there wouldn't be much of a story if her parents weren't idiots, but there's a really great story in Obama launching nukes but he doesn't do it because it's stupid. Just because a story exists doesn't mean it makes sense or should exist.

The problem with Anna is that, as soon as the castle is being opened to people again, she wants to fall in love. She falls in love with the first guy she sees. Then she falls in love with the second guy she sees... maybe. Anna doesn't directly admit to the extent of her romantic feelings toward Kristoff, but when Olaf says "omg Kristoff loves you" she goes "well great that must be true love's kiss" without actually showing a sign that she truly madly deeply loves him. Especially since she hasn't seen him since she abandoned him (okay so she was ill w/e) to go and kiss her other true love. She's just an immature little princess, and she behaves like a moron. Perhaps it is a strong word but I feel it is relevant. I don't care if she doesn't have social interactions down; if she behaves stupidly, I'll call her out on it. People can't just be given allowances for every action they take, they have to bear some responsibility.

All is fair in love and war is a great maxim but does it truly hold up? How many people get tried for war crimes? How many people get imprisoned for crimes of passion? I think AIFILAW is a terribly flawed idea that we should not in any way, shape, or form teach to our children.

PS Fairytales have always been used as a way to teach children. That's their point. I recognise that Disney can make entertainment but it is using a formula that carries connotations. Frozen is a fun movie. It has some dangerous messages, especially ones that contradict the intent. That is my point.

Admittedly, the story is jumpy. Were it a live-action affair, it could have gone the way of the epic 2-3 hour flick which could have given leeway in the story enough to cover these plotfunks (like automatically assuming the new winter was eternal). Perhaps maybee is right at least in the fact that Disney gave too much consideration to the number of songs rather than the quality of the tale. So much time spent singing but only the first song a "time-passing montage". Something I came to observe recently in many cartoons (most recently, the second Spider-Man series) was that giving yourself a limited window of time through which to tell a story often forces you to shoehorn plot elements. (SPOILER)I watched an episode where Spider-Man is confronted by group of men with guns and doesn't know what they want. He ducks around a corner not 10 feet away and the group immediately shouts their reason for chasing him as if the group itself was too stupid to know what they were after. This would be fine as shoehorned exposition, but then in-story Spider-Man actually hears the idiot shouting and knows what they want. There's no in-story reason explaining that these mooks are "slow". It's just a plot-device to hurry the show along. Three scenes pass and each contains a mindraping plot device just so the show can meet its "quota".

There's really no escaping a jumpy plot when a story has to be condensed for time, but some have been able to do it better than others.

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Not every review is designed to be a 'preview' of a movie/book/etc. Writing an analysis of a text and referring to it as a review is also perfectly acceptable. A spoiler alert so that people who haven't seen the movie knew that this was the approach being taken might've helped, but maybee's review analyses deeper themes of the movie and uses evidence to support her claims, and that can definitely still be referred to as a 'review'.

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That's why I said if it was meant for someone who hadn't seen it and wanted to see if it was their cup of tea. :p

If it isn't, my comment obvs doesn't apply :p

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So, I was watching this:

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And I only just realised today that Let It Go features a line that has the words Frozen Fractals in it. This literally makes it awesome to me. I'm sure the only other person to appreciate this will be Pike. xD

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Yeah, the whole "Disney is laughing in the face of their previous quick marriages trope!" is completely undermined by the fact that Kristoff and Ana fall in love in a few days time. Maybe instead of kissing her he could've asked her out on a date to show--hey! It's okay to take things one step at a time. You guys went from disliking each other, to being friends, to having a crush.

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Did they though? They just kissed. How long does someone have to know someone before they kiss? I totally kiss on a first date.

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Also, I know it's sisterly love verses mother-daughter love, but Disney did the "family love is true love too" much better with Brave, imo.

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Brave is a Pixar movie.

I kiss before first date.

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Hardly. The concept of changing and improving a man (or woman) exists in our society and the Fixer-Upper song reinforces that. The song doesn't directly reference that, but there's a reason people complain about rape culture alongside the actual problem of rape. It perpetuates a type of thinking that is dangerous.

If Elsa's parents weren't going to put the effort in to figure out what the hell was going on, why would they let her live? Her power could grow to the point where she unintentionally blasted the entire castle and killed everyone. They had no idea what was going to happen. Sure, there wouldn't be much of a story if her parents weren't idiots, but there's a really great story in Obama launching nukes but he doesn't do it because it's stupid. Just because a story exists doesn't mean it makes sense or should exist.

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The problem with Anna is that, as soon as the castle is being opened to people again, she wants to fall in love. She falls in love with the first guy she sees. Then she falls in love with the second guy she sees... maybe. Anna doesn't directly admit to the extent of her romantic feelings toward Kristoff, but when Olaf says "omg Kristoff loves you" she goes "well great that must be true love's kiss" without actually showing a sign that she truly madly deeply loves him. Especially since she hasn't seen him since she abandoned him (okay so she was ill w/e) to go and kiss her other true love.

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Agree. It really feels like poor Kristoff is just, second prize, the sliver prize, instead of just true love.

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She's just an immature little princess, and she behaves like a moron. Perhaps it is a strong word but I feel it is relevant. I don't care if she doesn't have social interactions down; if she behaves stupidly, I'll call her out on it.

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That's a bit harsh I mean Anna can't help the way that she was grown up. Her parents were not the best, because they didn't even really give her any friends to play with, take her out of the castle somedays, take Elsa out outside sometimes and let her become friends and understand her powers.

All of the main characters suffer from rocky and abusive childhoods and the movie shows that your childhoods and families can stop you from becoming a healthy, mentally healthy adult and human.

Elsa- Because of her powers she was blocked out and locked in her room, like she was a bird. She was highly traumatized and she was afraid to go near anybody or get close to anybody. Elsa was even afraid to go near her own sibling, because she was scared that she might hurt her again.

Anna- She grew up separated from her only sister and Elsa refused to answer to her door knockings, and even tell her why they couldn't hang out. I think the King wanted to keep Elsa's powers a secret, but surly you could tell your own sister ? She grew up speaking to the pictures on the walls, because she grew up with no friends, and she only grew up with her parents and the castle staff Kai and Gerda.

Hans- Please note that I don't mean to try and excuse his actions here, because attempted murder is terrible and should never be excused. However Hans grew up with a Football team of a family, 12 brothers. Those 12 brothers neglected him which is high levels of abuse, and some of them treated like he was a ghost, basically for two years straight. Anna had some feeling of idea and love, and support. Hans had trout all.

Kristoff- Basically had very little human contact, as the ice harvest guys basically kind of ignored him. They gave him attention, though they didn't really bond with him, and grew up with trolls. Kristoff uses Sven, his only friend, as a way too cope.

Basically, they are all pretty smurfed up individuals, due to awful parenting, being orphaned at a young age, and high amounts of sibling abuse.

They only thing I can't forgive is Hans' murder attempts for good reasons, even with abuse, he's a grown man, that should of known better.

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People can't just be given allowances for every action they take, they have to bear some responsibility.

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PS Fairytales have always been used as a way to teach children. That's their point. I recognise that Disney can make entertainment but it is using a formula that carries connotations. Frozen is a fun movie. It has some dangerous messages, especially ones that contradict the intent. That is my point.

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