Printable View
well m lv 25 and im almost to lv 30 now im thinking to sub ninja for my red mage wich i think would be leet but wat if i sub a smn? or i caouls go ninja/drkn wich would be leet to. not to mention the damage. but i also like drg. what should i do? at one point i was gonna goe ninja/smn
Just try them all out. We can't say what you should be. =P
O DEAR GOD DONT YOU DARE SUB NIN TO RDM!!Quote:
well m lv 25 and im almost to lv 30 now im thinking to sub ninja for my red mage wich i think would be leet but wat if i sub a smn?
Please dont, i wont invite you ever. RDMs are MAGES, trust me your attk will drop like hell over the lvls and soon you wont even attack under normal circumstances.
/SMN is for extra MP, i wouldnt recommend it because thats all you get. Lvl BOTH a WHM and BLM for the spells you can get from both and switch according to your parties preference.
WHM: Cureaga, Status heals, Area Buff, Teleport, better healing potential.
BLM: Warp, Drain, Stat lower enfeebles, Escape, and area aga spells.
And i wont invite you too. Trust me i aint being a jerk, i just dont want someone who isnt that great in my party wasting my exp time and stuff. Never sub a DRK or PLD because their bonuses arent worth it. If for spells, ur MP is crap. The DMG isnt a whole hell lot trust me.Quote:
caouls go ninja/drkn wich would be leet to.
NIN/SMN is a piece of crap too.
Try RDM/WHM, RDM/BLM, NIN/WAR, NIN/THF, SMN/WHM, or DRK/THF or WAR or SAM.
THose are the most effecient subs. This game isnt for whatever sub you can do you will be good at. Sure you can do whatever you want during your own time. But when partying, get a good subjob and dont waste 5 other people's time. Or your own since you prolly would be sitting there the entire time with no invites. People can care less about sub combos a bit under 30(but i still invite the good combos first), but after that, things get much more hairy and therefore more picky.
He's got a good point! I tried subbing nin, it didn't go too well when I got convert. I had two times the hp than mp and when I converted,......all that extra hp was gone. WASTED. So, I stopped lolligagging and fixed up a blm sub! So much utility in a blm sub with warping and all.
Btw, I've not been in EoFF for ages. Hello! I'm back!
You can find me on FFXI in the Midgardsormr server as Altaeciana.
ive got to disagree with that..... my freinds a lv 45rdm/23ninja ive seen him play he rocks. he casts en blizzard and it gives his double wieldingswords blizzard effect. he dishes about 60-80 damage a hit maybe a little lower. he sais that people have made fun of him about his job.subjob choice but h eputs it in there face:D so i thinki mught go rdm/ninja heheheh i dont realy car if i dont get a party irts good soloingQuote:
O DEAR GOD DONT YOU DARE SUB NIN TO RDM!!
Pretty tough to solo at the level you'd have to be to do what your friend does, but I've seen a RDM/NIN or two from time to time. They sound pretty bad in theory but actually do pretty well. Perhaps more interesting, I've seen the reverse, a NIN/RDM, who would use Ninjitsu to weaken a mob against it's already natural weakness, then imbue his Katanas with that element using En spells. Simply put, that mob was not around very long at all. Then again, the mob was already weak to that element, too, so it was a special case. The only real problem I can see with this scenario is Hate. It sucks but there really is such a thing as doing too much damage. Most NINs can grab the Hate pretty easily, but a NIN who can't Tank the Agg, nor pass it off, is a soon to be dead NIN. If you go for one of these 2 combos and make it work, better hope you have more than one voker in your group...
good to see that some one had something positive to say about my combo. lol wen i hit 30 im gonna go nin/sumn for fun but only for fun. wanna tick peeps off lol. but i have resuntlydiscovered a new combo i would go after mine its a drkn/pally lol i dunt know how thats gonna be but itll be fun to experiment. isnt that what ff is all about fun? heh:p
That alone is enough for me to say he was soloing and not hitting Incredibly Tough thing for Exp. In this scenario, he isnt facing the monsters a party would for experience(and simply he isnt going for experience). Therefore he is ok witht his. But the only reason why he rocks at that lvl is because he is over lvl 41. With Convert and Refresh he can theoritically double your MP if done right. However in a party situation, many people would call a RDM/NIN a newb combination. Theres a reason why RDMs have a B in sword skill and no A in weapons. They are mages. Simple, ask any high lvl RDM. If you wanna solo go BST, rarely anyone would invite em.Quote:
my freinds a lv 45rdm/23ninja
Again vs an Incredibly Tough monster(which you should for exp in parties), he would miss miss miss and more miss...and maybe the extra 4+5 dmg.Quote:
he dishes about 60-80 damage a hit maybe a little lower.
Now weakening a mob is fine but En-spells are based off your Enhancing skill, so they are halved when you sub a RDM, not to mention it cannot be a Incredibly Tough mob when it counts. It probably was Easy Prey or lower which is insignificant since i can easily solo most of them without a spell or two and just my Hammer and i am a WHM.Quote:
They sound pretty bad in theory but actually do pretty well. Perhaps more interesting, I've seen the reverse, a NIN/RDM, who would use Ninjitsu to weaken a mob against it's already natural weakness, then imbue his Katanas with that element using En spells.
There would be NO hate from the RDM so long as they dont strike first to generate it and stuff. THey will never outdmg a PLD,DRK,MNK,WAR, DRG,NIN and any other melee class even with En-spells. The only thing bad is when you miss the monster still gains TP and therefore use an AE. And RDMs tend to miss alot.Quote:
The only real problem I can see with this scenario is Hate. It sucks but there really is such a thing as doing too much damage.
What the freak are you talking about?! NINs rarely get hate. And trust me NINs are tanks because of the skills given to it. THey cast Utesumi and then Provoke the monster to GAIN hate, and the Utesumi absorbs the dmg and they keep doing the same thing over and over as a tank. You obviously dont know a thing about a Blink Tank a NIN does. Its what they do. They are supposed to tank, but they lack the skill to KEEP aggro making them harder to do their job. Please research your job before stating it. It is misleading.><Quote:
Most NINs can grab the Hate pretty easily, but a NIN who can't Tank the Agg, nor pass it off, is a soon to be dead NIN
Try asking GrandLethal as he been one in beta. But i wouldnt say its a good combination.Quote:
but i have resuntlydiscovered a new combo i would go after mine its a drkn/pally lol i dunt know how thats gonna be but itll be fun to experiment.
It is when your fun doesnt waste the time of 5 other people in the party. Seriously if your soloing i can really care less, but when you party, i care because you are going to be a detrement to the party because of your wierd subs. Sure you may be having fun, but at the expense of 5 other people, so dont.Quote:
isnt that what ff is all about fun?
Ok, since he asked so nicely :)
I played DRK/PLD in beta for a short time, and it really doesn't work that well at all... spells are useless, the added def is minimal and you don't get any real benifit out of it. Drk I found was hard to find a good sub for... you take war or Sam and you get too much hate and die, you pick blm or thf or whatever and it really doesn't add anything... your job is a heavy hitter that doesn't take on that much hate... its a tough role, and I'd like to hear others opinions on how to play it, as I found it pretty difficult.
DRK/THF is good after lvl 60.
Sneak+Trick+Soul Eater+Last Resort+Gullitone=BAM perma hate on the PLD. ^^
Seriously do what you want, but dont complain when you dont get a party that wont invite you (especially after lvl 30).
You can talk and quote till the cows come home and leave again, but you can't tell me that I haven't seen Ninjas grab hate more than once without voking, I have, nor that an En spell wouldn't help regardless of what level it is. Seriously man, for all the theory and job combos you throw up here, yeah most of them are highly effective, but that doesn't mean that some other combos aren't, regardless of what you've read and wherever you've read it. I've seen it and I have friends who have tried it and loved it. None of the parties I've been in that has had one of these oddball combinations has ever complained, except when someone jokingly suggests we get a tank who doesn't have Voke.
It's not always as black and white as you seem to make it out to be.
see what i wanna do is make a bazzare combo ,but a good one. i like summones there kool but i realy wanna get into the action thats why i picked rdm/war. my freind being lv 75 sumn sais that sumn should be main not sub but why is that can you still summon avatars if its a sub?
You can still summon Avatars, just that at lvl 75 you'll be summoning them as a lvl 37 summoner, since that's the lvl of your subjob. They basically won't be nearly as powerful as a full blown summoner at top lvl.
i see.... hmm..... ok then i might go smn/ninja for a while. but can i get the avatars if im lv 30 if i fight em with like lv 60-70 party members?
You can talk all the same, i am giving the advice for this player in the best possible manner for a party and get maximum EXP, when exp is 20,000 tnl after lvl 50ish Genkai, it really pays to do maximum because anything else can make things go wrong, and death at those lvl, exp gone is not a small slice.Quote:
You can talk and quote till the cows come home and leave again, but you can't tell me that I haven't seen Ninjas grab hate more than once without voking, I have, nor that an En spell wouldn't help regardless of what level it is.
En-spell can help i agree, but theres a whole lot more other stuff out there that can help much much MORE. That is why i dont recommend a RDM sub or whatever just for En-spells because there are other abilities that are far stronger than En-spells. Heck En-spells arent even required for RDM. =/
Indeed i would say some combos arent so bad, but there are reasons why me, and many other people sugguest these combinations for a serious party. Because they are tried, tested and have proof they work way better than any other combination there is. Now if your joking around and wanna do whatever and not really lvl seriously, i say do what you wanna do and have fun. But i have no idea if your being serious or not(exp wise), but really i can only assume serious.Quote:
Seriously man, for all the theory and job combos you throw up here, yeah most of them are highly effective, but that doesn't mean that some other combos aren't, regardless of what you've read and wherever you've read it
Never said that. I didnt even get that impression, i am here trying to give the best combinations of abilites/spells/bonuses/whatever of combinations of a serious exp party.Quote:
It's not always as black and white as you seem to make it out to be.
Its totally ok to do a bizarre combo and try to make it work and if it does, congrats. But there are reasons why i say this and this seems to work because they offer that and that. Because it maximizes their efficientcy. Would a person with the same skill lvl, and the diff combo, one different like say SMN/WAR, and one recommended like SMN/WHM, be the same? Nope...thats all.Quote:
see what i wanna do is make a bazzare combo ,but a good one. i like summones there kool but i realy wanna get into the action thats why i picked rdm/war.
RDM/WAR...well its ok til lvl 30..then your melee slacks no matter the sub, seriously if you want action, try maybe DRK? They have spells and attack. But RDM loses their ability to fight later as you lvl up and become essentially mages and which you should sub a mage to maximize your potential. Trust me my brother uses a RDM, he did hit ok at first, but as time went on he kept right on missing and hitting for crap 0+2 (with En), and he is a Mithra, the race with the highest DEX.
BTW SMNs are usually subbed for MP bonuses and Auto Refresh(1mp/3secs...it loses alot of value later unless you get a BRD or RDM). The trade off of this with other mage subs is that you lose alot of spells and abilities (magic attk up, and etc) that the other mage subs can offer and can help you become more versitile of a mage.
SMN battles are lvl 55 minimum and up to lvl 70 for Fenrir(he isnt easy i heard, alliances get wiped from this avatar), and well i am not sure if you can do it at a low lvl...but its prolly alot more hassle and hence why its recommended for high lvl people...i dunno. =/Quote:
i see.... hmm..... ok then i might go smn/ninja for a while. but can i get the avatars if im lv 30 if i fight em with like lv 60-70 party members?
And i wanna say, please dont go for combinations just for cool factor...look at the job and what it can do to help define your role in the party(your mainjob=your role). And i like to ask the original poster...are you really planning to try these combinations seriously or just fooling around with em?
im realy gonna try. i want a good combo so ill try all of em to see wich one i like. good thing this spring breaks cpming up :D
So you'll be saying goodbye to life? :)
hahahah na im gonna be playin b-ball and lacrose in the morning and play all night so ill still have a life....hopefully.
Well if your really going to try, a bizarre combo usually wont net you invites. Thats all i am going to say, if you are playing seriously, try a combination that has been tested and proven it will work great. If you can try to do something else good thats great! But thats usually impossible since this game has been out more than 2 years and people had these combos out for a reason. Thats all i can say.Quote:
im realy gonna try. i want a good combo so ill try all of em to see wich one i like. good thing this spring breaks cpming up
see wat i decided was that im gonna go ninja/smn just for fun, you know to farm and stuff. and then im gonna got ninja/drkn to see how that goes if it doesnt go well then im gonna go smn/whm.
Actually, RDM/NIN makes a pretty good combo if you want to be mainly a malee RDM on support healing. Especially when you get Duel Weild, you can equit two Ctr Swords at lvl30 or two Holy Swords at lvl36.
NIN/SMN I would say is the bad combo, if you want to have some fun with your character then I would suggest maybe DRK/RDM as thats a rare, but powerful combo(also highly loved once you get to PT with one)
Prefered in a party.Quote:
smn/whm.
I really dont know why you want this...NIN are to tank for the most part and without WAR sub you cannot provoke and keep the hate onto you(and they have trouble with that as it is). Plus NIN=No MP, so ur MP is gimped as well as your abilities.Quote:
ninja/drkn to see how that goes
Dude why is a RDM meleeing on basic circumstances. You have to know RDMs are MAGES and not melee, they are not the jack of all trades(not in this game), they have better skills in melee than other mages, but not like PLD or WAR dmg. THey can never ever be as strong as one and can do horrible dmg and miss alot as lvl goes up. If i want melee theres TONS of other jobs(WAR,MNK,THF,DRK,SAM,DRG,NIN). You arent invited for your melee, but for your spells so focus on them.Quote:
RDM/NIN makes a pretty good combo if you want to be mainly a malee RDM on support healing
RDM=Dispel, Refresh(primary), and Enfeeble with little healing on the side.
Explain how its powerful...i like to see the abilities and traits it can gain that would help a pt as opposed to a WAR, THF, or SAM sub.Quote:
DRK/RDM as thats a rare, but powerful combo(also highly loved once you get to PT with one)
EDIT: http://b.ffxionline.com/forums/showt...threadid=29551
Nm read this thread on the DRK/RDM. Too bad they stopped posting in it for one reason or another, i can just say its good at early, but later i wont like the combination.
Just remember, you need to be level 30 by the time you get NIN and the such. So you may change your mind during them levels, as they are the learning levels.
well i hit lv 30 last week thursday. i did the drk quest and i love the drk. its so easy to solo and i chain like he!!$ i use both great sword and scythe. i like to switch them back and forth. im currently geting the ruby for smn. its soo hard to get it..... i had 2 lv 60 on my team and still i got nuthing. well anyway im deciding to go drk/smn cause of the mp. :D
You really do know that DRKs dont use Magic that very often offensively right? They use it to Drain, Aspir, Absorb (some random stat) and to Magic Burst right? Skilled DRK=Renkei and MB DRK.
Statistically and party-wise i dont like this combination...not to be offensive, but as a damage dealer(tons of them), they are oftentimes picked last and with that odd combination, i am sure you will be waiting for parties more than 5 hours straight after lvl 30 where the mobs get tougher and the cut off point for goofing around starts. But i wont stop you since its your choice, but to be realistic, i really dont see any point to /SMN in a DRK...even for the MP. Offensive magic? Leave to to RDM and BLM.
EDIT: Here read this, it shows you everything you need to know to be a successful DRK :p The reason when it talks about subs and only lists WAR, THF and SAM as subs, already sho you that those are the only subs that bring out and maximizes the DRKs potential.
http://b.ffxionline.com/forums/showt...threadid=23917
Thanks for that link Lionx. I've been thinking about giving Dark Knight as my first advanced job when i'm able to take on the quest. This will help me prepare. =)
Thanks ^^Quote:
Thanks for that link Lionx. I've been thinking about giving Dark Knight as my first advanced job when i'm able to take on the quest. This will help me prepare. =)
One more thing i wanted to add...RESEARCH your job in every single way before you start it and then end up screwing up and stuff like that. :save:
yes i do see your point. i subbed bst in the starting just for fun but it sucked. i mean your not gona want to waste time charming the monster and telling it to atack. so then i went smn. altho carbi is a good help i think that drk is a stand alone soloer til lv 10 or so. iv chained alot with him and im lv 8 and taking on Ts in wadi with no prob. well thats my advanced job choice for farming and having fun with.im working on ninja quest now so i can sub it for rdm. i found that a ninja sub for rdm is realy helpful considering you can dual wied 2 broad swords or centurion swords. and you can gain the effect of the EN spells to wich will make the atack look kooler. but broad swords cast about 8k so i might sell my fire sword or just buy 1 broad sword with my fire sword.
I swear what is with the RDM/NINs? After lvl 20 your melee only goes one way. DOWN. It misses like crap and in the end you do 10 dmg max while every other melee does 40+ or whatever. RDMs are mages in the end, i see too man stupid RDM combinations like /NIN or /WAR after the lvl 30 mark when i wouldnt take just any subjob. You arent there to melee as RDM anymore, lvl both WHM and BLM and sub it depending in the circumstances. At around lvl 25 RDMs rarely melee, and at lvl 30 none really do unless the monster doesnt have an Area ATtack(which is rare). RDM attk=0dmg with additional 0dmg added on. En spells are for soloing, not exping. /NIN isnt a worthwhile sub for a RDM period, just shows alot of ppl that you dont know what your doing.
You can do just about whatever in the first 20 lvls and maybe up to 30, but after maybe a bit around lvl 33...your sub starts mattering and things take a dramatic change especially in mob difficulty.
i know youve been telling me that on every post youve posted. im stubbord i like the combo its a fun one. im a lv 7 ninja right know and i love it. i think that dula weild gives the rdm more style and the fun level will rise. i will post again to tell you if its good or not but i doubt it wont be any good.