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Ok, I'm just asking about your opinion on this. What do you think about forums that have a porn forum? This means that porn is allowed, but only in that forum. What's your opinion on that? Does your opinion about the forums as a whole drop solely because it has a forum for porn?
EDIT: Also, no, I'm not suggesting that EoFF has a porn forum. No way.
I think that often times, when a forum has to resort to adding a forum just for porn, I think it degrades the forums a whole lot.
It does drop my opinion of it a bit. But its none of my business. I'm not the admin, and if I like the community, I'll keep going anyway, I'll just stay out of that forum.
That and so long as its only accesible by a password and those over 18/21 depending on your area.
Porn forums are for Kraptasticas and other low-level, stupid MBs. I can't list very many because I do not associate with those kind of boards.
A porn forum for a gaming/discussion forum is just stupid, and shows a definite lack of maturity of the board as a whole. It gives a definite impression of the entire MB, as well as the staff.
It also attracts the WRONG kind of people.
But yeah, you already knew my stance on this, Jeff. I struggled not to go off on a longer rant.
Porn doesn't really interest me much, so I see no real need in sharing/discussing it. If someone wants to share/discuss it, I don't care WHAT they do, as long as I'm not forced to see it.
I think if you want to have a porn forum, you can make it hidden and only users of age can peruse it. But then you have people who lie about their birthdays.
I think it would cause problems, yeah. But if you want it, why not?
I don't care if the porn is in a "porn forum" because then I can always not go there, but when the porn is randomly throughout the whole forum, it gets annoying. Especially because then my dad thinks I'm looking at porn :D
The only time I could see the need for a porn forum would be at a porn site. But most people don't go to porn sites for chit chat.
we have a porn forum at The Basement but it's a place dedicated to discussing love, relationships, and sexuality, so it isn't out of place.
Unless it's BOUxUnne LoveLove... Then it's ok.
*smite*
edit: aw :(
Porn forums attract the scum of the Internet. :)
corollary: The scum of the internet demands Porn forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yamaneko
A porn forum belongs on a porn site. No where else. If the people want porn so badly then send them to a porn site or tell them to shut the http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gif up. If you are so horny that you need porn everywhere you go then you have major issues. I don't go to work and demand that they have video games for me to play. On top of that I browse forums at work. I would automatically stop going to any forum like that because it can get me fired.
There is just so much wrong with it.
I had a forum that was dedicated to porn and serious discussion was only allowed in one section of the forum.
I started it as a joke, but attracted some real freaks.
Yes, I felt right at home.
Absolutely not.
Porn degrades everything it comes into contact with.
Porn forums are for small or trashy message boards. Like, for example, The Basement's porn forum is yippie fun. That's probably because the whole forum is more adult-oriented though. And everyone there is very mature, excluding Joel.
My internet home, SomethingAwful, had a porn forum until very recently. It didn't degrade much of anything. The Bit Torrent forum, however, attracted a slew of the internet's finest retards.
Yeah, it drops a bit in my opinion.
I agree that it depends on the forum. For example people coming to an FF forum or any sort of forum for a game won't be coming there for porn and shouldn't need to find any there. However I think it's a great idea for somewhere like The Basement which is a very open and tasteful forum, and since you can only access it with a password, I think that's fine.
Sure doesn't make sense to me. But then, porn in general doesn't make sense to me.
I'd say porn forums are a terrible idea.
Dumb idea, full stop. You have my leave to smack Aaron in my name.
Well, porn's a really low artform. But an artform nonetheless. Put it in a forum and you get dense brained people who are looking for some deviant stimulation.. together.. ehhh.. *cringes*:mad:
As eest, Mandee and Xander have said, The Basement has one, but we also have a small enough membership that it hasn't been abused in any way. It hasn't attracted any unsavory new members, and is hardly posted in compared to some of the discussion forums.
My opinion? For a forum like EoFF, it would be way off-base. For an already adult-topic board, who cares if they have it or not. Contrary to common belief, porn is not the root of all evil or any such thing. *shrugs*
Yes you guys are just overreacting about porn. Porn is just arousing one part of your brain, sex. Should you see something like a Renasance(bah spelling -_-) painting you are arousing a different part of your brain. The reason why i feel sex is so barred is because of religion and different cultures not accepting it. Which i say to them if it bothers you that much then dont have it...ever. They do attract sometimes wierd people to you, but nonetheless they have a interest and i have been on some adult boards (yes i do, so what?) where they do have legit conversations with the right admin and staff policing things. People have a legit community and sometimes i think they even start out relationships online because of it.
Everyone has different interests and fetishes, i am sure we are all freaks :P I dont think it degrades the forum, depending on the staff i would say it is even more different and expands people into something that isnt accepted in the general public in which i feel we should. I dont feel we should be so shy and so taboo to talk about sex in any little form it has. Its just illogical if you think of it.
Aww, I was gonna defend the Basement. :cry:
The entire group of new members at FG, together, couldn't manage as much maturity as someone at The Basement. Not even Joel.
Porn forums would suggest a lack of maturity in the board's members, and are therefore a sign that you probably won't get much decent discussion. The presence of a porn forum wouldn't stop me going to a website by any means, but it would probably affect my opinion of it.
Yep. They are all bunch of morons that I think should be banned. I don't like them one bit and it is their idea to have a porn forum there. They all screwed up at their other board and are trying to turn another board into what their old board was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doomgaze
The fact that this idea was not shot down by the owner saddens me and makes me view the board as edging close to the "scum" classification of websites.
What's the staff forum for, then, if not porn? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Agent Proto
Eh, let people make forums about what they want. If they own the forum, they can run it as they please.
That's for MAKING porn, not viewing it.
But...but...you've been to that one forum that's extremely mature and saphistocated and it has porn. :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Czech. Republic
I feel that you guys are just generalizing it, it depends on the community. Some of you guys like to spam and feed off each other's spam and create nonsense, thats the type of community this forum has. Doesnt mean other forums wont. Theres no flames here, while another flames are perfectly acceptable. It depends on the staff and community. For those of you saying its bad, have you actually been on one of those forums before? and how many?
Hey guys, lets not trash FG too much, here. I am ambivalent about the place, but since we have a lot of people who are members both here and there... don't insult the general membership. Thanks.
Why is that, please? I think my other online home is still pretty mature. Sure, we have our joking moments of idiocy, but overall the serious topics stay serious, even though *gasp!* we have a porn forum.Quote:
Porn forums would suggest a lack of maturity in the board's members, and are therefore a sign that you probably won't get much decent discussion.
I don't think the presence of porn in and of itself is any more immature than the presence of anything else sexual. By which I mean, it's not the subject matter but those discussing it that would make it either be mature or immature.
People in general are way too uptight about anything related to the s-word. Just calm down. It's a part of life, it's not doing anything to hurt anyone by existing (excluding cases of abuse, which I don't count as sexual so much as just criminal), if you don't like it, don't expose yourself to it.
*steps down from soapbox before she really gets going*
I don't appreciate you guys trashing FG, but it's ok with me. <3
Anyway, in my opinion, a porn forum can work in a few forums. Mostly in a forum like The Basement, where everyone is mature about it, and the discussion is mostly about love, relationship, and whatnot relating to the subject. As for other forums, those mostly based around gaming and such, a porn forum just wouldn't fit.
Also, it depends on the environment of the forums. A forum like EoFF, a porn forum would not work, because a) EoFF is about Final Fantasy, first and foremost. b) There are many members who are underaged. c) It just wouldn't work with how the staff operates here.
The thing that irritates me is that I've personally shot the idea down at FG twice. Grrr...ok, enough about FG.
Anyway, contrary to what some people here are saying, we're not calling porn "the root of all evil." We're saying it has its place - at adult MBs. Not gaming/discussion MBs.
Is porn really that difficult to get these days? Well, I guess you could discuss it, like we discuss FF here, even though I have no desire to read those discussions. I'm of the conservative branch that thinks sex should be kept private and not freely talked about.
I think thats because people expect a certain level when they visit SA and by its own reputation its hard to degrade. I'm not saying the members are crap but the way SA works it gives off a certain image because thats how it wants to be viewed.Quote:
Originally Posted by GokuKid749876
It definitley lowers my opinion of the MB. The only exception seems to be The Basement, where, oddly, it seems to fit. But otherwise, no. Honestly---it's really not necessary. There are tons of other places to get it; it's easy enough to obtain. It seems as though most of the MBs with a porn forum have very immature members. From my experience, at least.
:D
Don't really see how wanting to share porn on a forum is any more immature than sharing info, pictures, and other types of media on a regular message board. Every forum has its share of immature people; yes, my fellow EoFFers, this includes EoFF. I frequent a site that has a seperate forum for everything(including porn, but the admin. has to grant you special access to that area) and people, for the most part, remain mature and never talk about porn outside of the "special" forum. I know SA has a porn forum and regardless of how goofy those guys can be, they know when to be mature.
I think porn is stupid and wrong,therefore so do I about a porn forum.Its a stupid idea and would only attract sick and twisted little perverts to a forum.Personally I have never looked at porn and I doubt I ever will.
No no no no no no NO. Adding a porn forum is the quickest way to degrade - and eventually kill - a MB.
Someone please slap Aaron for me. I didn't put in a year of hard work there for this.
Aaron will do anything to cater to any audience. Anything.
Anyway, pr0n forum. Nice idea on paper, sounds great. You can post and look at pr0n on the same site. But in practice? You can find both MBs and Pr0n sites on the same darned internets. Big Whoop.
A lot of guys are horndogs. People would be looking at the pr0n and not even posting, because they'd be too busy. You know what I mean.
So, Like others: Pr0n = bad idea.
P.S. I like using the term "pr0n".
As has been said, The Basement is made up of mature people. I'm guessing that's not by chance, and immaturity is... punished. Maybe it has just attracted the right people though, I dunno.
At a (hypothetical, of course) board where immaturity is not only tolerated but rewarded and made into inside jokes that NEVER EVER DIE (hypothetical inside jokes, of course), a porn forum would be a disaster waiting to happen. And, even then, I would say it lowers my opinion of The Basement, as well. I haven't been there though, so if it's tasteful and has artistic value and that sort of thing, you have my apologies.
Not that I'm opposed to porn, really, I just don't equate the places it is found with "good places to hang around."
Or just say "there is a time and a place for everything, and this is neither" and be done with it.
There are many ways to find stuff like porn, and it'd just be out of place in most forums. I've never been to The Basement, either, but judging from what I've seen and read here, I can see where such a forum could exist there.
One big difference, I'd imagine, is that a place like The Basement is more adult-oriented than (and I hate to add to the dogpile, but I know that's what this is about) Fool's Gold. Here at Eyes on Final Fantasy, too, our material is geared at least partially to a younger audience, a gaming generation, and that's why most people come here. A porn forum would be completely out of place in this kind of environment.
Do I think a porn forum would be bad? No. The overall membership is what would determine how badly the MB would deteriorate, not the content, as Daryl has mentioned. On the other hand, a porn forum here? No. It just wouldn't fit.
My 2 cents.
I agree completely. By no means does the presence of a porn forum make the members immature, and since I know a few of The Basement's participants from this place, it's obviously been handled with maturity by those who post in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl
What I mean to say is that as a non-member, my first impression of a board with a porn forum would be that there'd be more than a few immature members on there. A quick browse of the other boards might prove me wrong, and in that case I wouldn't hesitate to join. That said, that first impression alone might be enough to put me off any further browsing, so it would have had a negative impact just by being there, no matter how intelligently handled it might have been.
But you're right, of course. Porn isn't always handled immaturely, so my previous comment was a bit of a generalisation. No offence intended.
Though I am personally against porn, I must say that I am not against the right sites having a porn board. For example a site on sexuality and sexual health may benifit from such a board. However a board about cooking or a board about gaming should not have one.
I would but I don't want to start a flame war here or at LFF. Remember what happened the last time Aaron started doing stuff at the site? Feel free to go to FG and make a thread. It'll be keen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DocFrance
I don't mind a porn forum in a FF board.
I mean FF boards have general chats that aren't even about FF, so it's a bit hypocritical to say that porn forums shouldn't be in FF forums since they're off-base.
That doesn't mean every FF forum should have one. I personally don't care. Would I visit it? Maybe, but that doesn't mean I'd be at the forum 24/7. I hate how some people here say "I would never visit a porn forum and I never like porn"...bullsh**. If the FBI were to search your computers, I guarantee they'd find porn material you opened. I wish people wouldn't look at porn as some kind of evil and sin...especially since many of us are atheists(talk about irony).
If you don't like the forum, don't go. It's so easy to ignore. You would need a pretty strict moderator in a porn forum though, and I don't think that the theory of porn attracting immaturity holds up. We have enough immature idiots on the forums now, and they're banned everytime. It would be no different for a general chat forum.
I don't think a porn forum would degrade the forum as a whole, since each forum seems to have its own community. A bunch of little crybabies in The Lounge certainly wouldn't ruin it for the people in Eyes on Each Other. They're all located in their own little nests that they would hardly bother anyone. I mean I know a lot of people here only go to General Chat/World Events/The Lounge exclusively. I know I do...so I don't care what happens in the other forums.
I guess to avoid the rated X rating and keep the family feel for all ages we shouldnt have one at this particular forum however. Since after all kids do go to these boards. Maybe if its permission based but i think people could lie and stuff...bah @_@ I dont mind if kids watch this if they actually could take it maturely but most dont so i just dont feel that a porn forum would work on this particular board especially if the admins still want to keep it PG-ish.
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Originally Posted by Rainecloud
Thank you Daryl :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Daryl
The truth is that FG was a forum with lots of sexual innuendo and conversations about adult activities long before I really knew what LFF was and several of our own regular members had expressed interest in having an adult content forum so we added one. It was removed eventually since some people felt it wasn't working out at that time with the idea that we might reopen it sometime in the future. Although some staffers are firmly against it and were against it before and that's part of the reason why it hasn't been readded now. Now this year even before people from elsewhere suggested a porn forum one of our own regular members recently promoted to staffer suggested we readd an adult content forum :) When people came to us and suggested a porn forum I mainly supported it because I thought there was enough interest amongst our own regular members. Apparenty I misjudged though and some of the people that supported the adult content forum wouldn't support a porn forum ( although they wouldn't mind one thread for links) whilst some wouldn't mind a porn forum since they couldn't see the harm that the people against it thought would do to the site. Since FG has allowed links before they'd just be getting put in a specific forum instead. Now the people on staff that said yes to the porn forum weren't really bothered whether they had one or not and were quite willing to give up the idea, in my case for the sake of peace and not having people go off on tangents and staff that weren't for it but didn't mind the adult content forum said why not reopen adult content instead so the former said ok. I would have had too, if I hadn't known that the people that argued against the porn forum would do so for similar reasons against the adult content forum. Sure enough those people popped up with those reasons. Eventually even people for the adult content forum changed to saying no for that too since people were leaving and getting moralistic and everything. It just seems futile to continue the debate right now.
Anyway *end ramble* It's just there are two sides to stories, others here have shared their side, I just thought I'd share mine :)
While you're at it, though, you might as well start a Spyware/Virus forum so that people can get all their infection needs in one stop. Not that a porn forum wouldn't lead to virus infections anyways, especially if you made the forum IE-only.
Are you trying to scare me? :) ;)
Anyway yeah that's actually quite a valid point Bleys and would actually be one of the better reasons for not adding a porn forum I think. We're *not* adding a porn forum to the FG forums anyway though.
Only if you surf a lot of porn. If you do, you'll eventually get something like ShopNav or Golden Palace Casino, which equate to the syphilis of the online world.
Think of a message board like your favorite pub. You go there quite often, you share a round or two (or three) with your friends, you take your girlfriend and family there on occasion.
Now imagine what it would be like if the owners of the pub decided to hire strippers. Even if the strippers were in a different room from the main room, the pub wouldn't quite be the same, would it? It would start attracting the wrong type of people, and you'd probably think twice before bringing your family there, or even telling your family about it, wouldn't you?
The same holds true for a message board community that introduces a porn forum.
Unforunetly that depends on what kind of board those are. This board is family friendly, however not every board out there might be. So i dont see your point. Every message board has its own rules, EoFF just happens to be the enviroment that is for the family while ForumXX is not.
A humorous note on the family forum thing. The video rental chain that is regional near me carries porn and they are called family video. Thats pretty http://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifhttp://forums.eyesonff.com/images/smilies/rpg_009.gifed up and funny if you ask me. Also interesting is that the place is more friendly than Blockbuster or other places and would much rather take my family there. I don't know where I am going with this but...yeah.
Yeah, my local video store, called Purple Potomas, is pretty popular. Although it's not called Family Video, the porn section _IS_RIGHT_NEXT_TO_THE_FAMILY_FILMS. Films from Disney and Pixar...right next to the porn section. The store puts them there because they say kids don't understand porn, and young teenagers always go for action movies. So action movies are put far away from the porn.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
It's so hilarious to see kids just stare into the porno section while checking out videos like The Lion King. XD
That is hilarious XD
Family video puts the porn in a room near the back. It almost looks like an entrerance to an employee only area. I rent movies from the kids section all the time...mainly because they are free.
Is it just me or are local chains like these always better that Blockbuster or Hollywood Video?
I once wandered into the porn section on accident when I was like... 12. It was a secluded ish area but there was a corridor and I was like, more movies ^__^ and innocently wandered in. When I came out, I felt so embarassed :(
Uh anyway, porn in forums... not too big a fan. Mature discussion is fine, but actual porn is like... go look for it online, you can already find plenty. o_0
I think it's because the local owners have more to lose. PP is about $1 cheaper for a 5 day rental than blockbuster, but they still charge late fees...even though blockbuster doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
I still don't know why the porn section is near family stuff though. I mean, I know their reasoning behind it: Teenagers are more likely to be tempted to rent porn(most of them are underage) than young kids...but you can't just expose youngs kids to it. The store is still pretty big though, I suggest putting the porn section near the videogames...no wait...maybe next to the comedy section...well, I don't know...now it doesn't seem that dumb now to put porn near kid movies...but porn is too popular not to rent. I honestly don't know where one would put porn movies, the store says that 1/4th the rentals are porn anyways.
Yeah, Frontline(PBS programming) estimated there are about 250000 porn websites out there. I was shocked that there's ONLY 250k. I thought that number was in the millions. But still, porn gets more traffic than any other website-genre on the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojo
Results 1 - 10 of about 90,000,000 for porn [definition]. (0.09 seconds)
Isnt that number kinda not accurate? After all this site could be in those listed because we typed the word =/
Na, there's plenty of sites that would come up with the word "sex" in them.
Even though I hardly ever post (this is the fourth in a little over 2 years), I think it would be sad to see this place having a porn forum. Like others have said, it would bring in the wrong kind of crowd and it could spread viruses. I know since I think my father was looking at porn one day and I got the privlage of deleting the viruses he picked up out of the computer, manually. Yeah, I have verry little virus protection. With it could bring in the wrong crowd, it doesn't mean not having a porn site will bring in the wrong crowd. I was a memeber of FFLegend till they redid their site to look like it was hacked, the staff were jerks, and the members and staff left tons of senceless spam. I also got into a few scraps with staff, which might explain a lot about me being here. However, my point is that even though it doesn't prevent mindless jerks from coming, it does lower the chances of it happening. I hope it doesn't really happen, but then of course, I really don't have any say since I don't have the guts to post much.
Why do people always associate people that look at porn to be immoral bastards? They are people too, and they also *gasp* like sex? Just because some people are jerks in any community that does something doesnt mean that everyone is a jerk in that community.
From what i seen, Boards are different than those stupid sites that just give you pictures free or pay. Theres an actual community and should the staff be good, the people in there will be good as well. Just like how FFL is different from EoFF as you said yourself. Theres always the occasional idiot at every forum, and its up to the staff and people who warn the staff to keep things orderly at any forum.
Viruses are only gotten if you Kazaa :P Again you also said you have little virus protection..so there you go. In boards people that genuinelly post, dont post up viruses..again depends on the community.
Nah. Well, not my Blockbuster, at least. :Cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by edczxcvbnm
people still go to video stores? I haven't rented a video (or dvd or game) in at least three years.
This would be a good issue to tackle in the upcoming elections.
I was even more suprised at the sentiment of people still paying for porn.Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlinc
I just wonder why you'd need a porn forum. It's not like pornography is difficult to find. Heck, I was already a master of finding it at the age of 12. I even ran a dedicated server at age 16, and it lasted for two years. If you're having a difficult time finding porn, you're just being lazy.
How do I feel on the subject of porn itself? That's different. I definitely think it's something people shouldn't be encouraged to view, but trying to stop them is ultimately futile and just makes the forbidden fruit that much more appealing. The problem is when someone's porn viewing habits conflict with their real life. When you start staying up too late or neglecting personal hygiene or social contact, that's when it hurts you. It's a complicated issue, really, because it lies in the mind of the person viewing, and the mind is anything but simple. You can absolutely view porn without being adversely affected. You can also view it and be adversely affected. There's a lot of issues where the lines between healthy and harmful blur and the one frequently goes hand in hand with the other, but suffice to say, if you're posting on a porn forum, it's probably not a good sign.