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The 8 o'clock news here just got the message that Pope John Paul II is "agonizing", which, to put it midly, means he's living his last moments and most likely won't survive the night.
Don't know what else to add or discuss other than pay my respect, regardless of the difference of opinions. If you're here to bash us Catholics/Christians or him, just go away.
Edit: it also means that if you're going to be disrespectful, you can also go away. Make your own thread, but leave that one alone.
Theres definitely no going back for him right now.
I just heard it... he's dead.
Peace out, Pope.
THE POPE DIED??? :( He was suffering a lot lately. Maybe it was his time. RIP, Pope. Who would be the next Pope?
I take that back. FOX News says he's dead, but his heart and brain are still functioning; CNN says he lost conciousness.
So he's only mostly dead, I guess.
To be honest, I really don't care if he's dead or alive.
It should be any hour now if it hasn't happened yet. My dad is flying over to Italy with a news troop, so that means even if he has not passed away yet, it's only a matter of time unfortunately.
He was a good leader for the Church, and even while I didn't agree with him in many instances, I respect him for his leadership, devotion and compassion to his people and his values.
Take care all.
several people are giving different stories, not many of them know the truth. I didnt agree with him odten also but I respect him for living a great life and fighting for his beliefs.
Regardless of his exact condition now, it is really just a matter of time. I don't have any doubt that he served his duties with dedication and conviction.
I'm wondering who's the next in line for this position.
I'm not of the Catholic denomination, nor am I a Christian, for that matter, but the Pope is another human being and it's sad to see him, or anyone, go.
He's had to deal with the responsibilty of such a position of authority and importance for so many years, and while I think a new Pope should have been chosen some time ago, I have respect for him for sticking it out until the end.
Take care, Pope.
I just heard the Vatican officials denied that he's dead. As others said, it's a matter of short time now, and I agree with Destai.
They don't have a successor lined up, I don't think. Usually a congress of Cardinals is called to the Vatican to meet and select the next Pope.
I can only hope that he doesnt have much passing when he does die, my family is Catholic and we have all said prayers for him
He's not officially declared dead by the Vatican, so maybe there is still hope. But I doubt it, because they do say he is on his death bed. :(
nope no hope.
Well... he is pretty old. Do we need hope?
I think some news reporters interpreted this wrong
"The Pope's vicar said the pontiff was already "at one" with Jesus Christ."
thats why they think he is already dead
:choc:
That sucks, but whatchagunnado.
After a few weeks following his death, the coucil will be called (the 117 (as of now) bishops who are under the age 80) and will stay isolated until someone is elected by a 2/3 majority with the 34 rounds allowed or if that fails one of the two with the most votes. You can tell when it happens because they then burn the balllots and you can see the smoke coming out from a very specific chimney.Quote:
Originally Posted by eestlinc
Thats realy sad. Although I'm not catholic, I keep the pope in high honor.
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Originally Posted by TasteyPies
Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by GLR
He has not yet left this world, but he's prepared to do so. He's undergone the Catholic equivalent of the Last Rites, and has refused to be admitted to hospital...
A sad time. He's been a good leader of the church for a long time now.
I aint Catholic never will be i hate the Catholic religeon in alot of ways nor am i totally religeous i dont really believe in re;igeon untill i have a reason too
hopefully the Pope will die peacefully and get away from his pain and worries
I don't agree with the Catholic religion, but anyone's death is sad so it's pretty unfortunate.
No matter what you believe, every sensible person will agree: Pope John Paul II was a great man. I doubt we will see magnanimity such as this in a leader for a long, long time.
Edit: What if this was the Vaticans idea of an april fools prank? :p
the man that the entire religion depends on...exept for god of course its still pretty sad:(
Eyes on the World is for serious posts, not your pointless posts ~m4tt
LOL!GOOD-1-!1....nah
:'(
Regardless of what one thinks of his proclamations, Karol Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II) has led a remarkable life and has been at the forefront of numerous efforts to make the world a better place. Although it seems many here disagree with his often conservative social outlook, the Pope has striven to reach out to all those in need, and has brought about great change in the Catholic Church. Although there is room to disagree with some of the things he has said in the past, Pope John Paul II has truly been a force for peace and love in the world, which is something I don't think anyone will want to disagree with.
With all due respect, this thread was created in order to pay respect to the man. I would ask that this "April Fools" discussion on the matter be discontinued.
yes, please try to be respectful.
tis unfortunate. i am not catholic but i respect all the good works he has done. at least when he dies he has a clear idea of whats gonna happen to his soul. :roll:
Tid bit factQuote:
Originally Posted by Endless
The pope cannot be buried sooner than 3 days and can't be buried later than 5. The meeting of the bishops to elect a new pope cannot happen 15 days sooner from the popes death and no later than 20
I guess thats what you get for going to a Catholic School :(
Anyways, peace man. You did a lotta great things, im sure He had something better planned for ya
Surprisingly, I am somewhat non-Christian, but reading this (Especially since he is so close to death) my eyes watered. The pope is symbolic of the Church, and even though I never payed much attention to the Catholic Church affairs, and follow other beliefs, like most I respect him. In death he will find peace with his God.
As others mentioned before, a life is a life, and it is sad to see someone leave this world, and once again I give my sinceress wishes and best of luck. Though it is dismal, and his death is eminant, he has lived a long life, and now will find peace.
I've disagreed with the Pope on many points (one of the reasons I no loner consider myself of the Catholic Church) but I'll not deny that he did a great deal of good during his life. He is a great man, and he shall be missed.
He was a great man, and I held high respect for him. It is sad, but he will finally have true peace.
I really don't care so much about it, because well, it's something that had to come sooner or later, he has lived long enough, so it really dosen't make much sense to be sorry to see him go, it's just natural thing, you know. I do like some of his ideas, although I really do not share his view of the world. Oh, well, I'm more concerned about who the new Pope will be, that is what really matters to me...I'd like it to be a Pope with different views, you know, a little less repressive on sexual matters.
fare well to one of the most accomplished popes ever. its going to be hard for the next pope to follow him up.
The Pope was a great man. My Mom told me that she saw him in 1985 and she almost fainted when she saw him because it feels so surreal when he's near you. Nobody will be able to replace him. :(
How ironic. My freind said that to his mom this morning as an april fools
i wonder if he'll be named a saint or another high honour for someone like him
Pope John Paul II is unique like everyone he may have had different oppinions to some of us but he was strong with his beliefs and his oppinions but accepted the oppinions of others whilst knowing the ups and downs
The fact that he is not going to be here for very much longer is saddening. He did so much for this world. I hate to see him go.
The good old man will be at rest. It's sad, but it comforts me to know that soon he will be hanging out with his old pal Colonel Sanders in heaven. :(
:( This isn't a disrespectful question, but...has the Pope officially died yet? I have no idea what's going on anymore.
As of the announcement the Vatican did before lunch, he is in a near critical state, losing counsciousness like one would nod off when falling asleep and then wake up. He was going in and out of comatose basically. I suppose we'll have a few more details tonight with the next announcement.
Wow. He's really holding on. I first heard about this yesterday morning, and he's still barely alive still, according to CNN. Anyway, CCN(if you're wondering, it's the only DTV channel I know directly) says that he got a high fever in the Vatican Morning, but he...responded? I don't know. The light is still on, I'm typing all this as they say it, now we're taking a short break, and i'm posting this.
I am not a Catholic, however ever I am a Christian. I don't always agree on how the Catholic church does things, but I hold John Paul II in high respect. That man must be blessed because he is fluent in 8 languages and would speak to people in what ever language they spoke and lived what he preached. He tried to make the world a better place for all people, not just Catholics or Christians, but all religions. His ideas although not always popular were important to him and never backed down. I agree with him on alot of them and I am a Penecostal Christian and not a Catholic. When I heard he was dying I began to weep. And they mentioned on the news that when he was shot back in 1981 he returned to visit the man who attacked him and prayed for him and said he still loved him because of what Christ taught. Now that was a man who truely believed in God and forgiveness. He also allowed the people to see him suffer instead of hiding it and still showed strength and refused to allow other people to fill in for him until this recent Easter. When he passes away I will honor him in my own way. I hope he is made a Saint like another person I admired Mother Teresa.
As of today, Pope John Paul II is dead. May God bless him.
OMG...may he rest in peace, and find sanctuary in his God.
R.I.P.
Karol Wojtyla
he may rest now, he is in a better place and is watching over us all. rest in peace friend to us all.
The pope's dead!? Whoa. OM gosh, I knew he was ill, but I didn't know he'd died! I mean, he was alive this afternoon. When did he die? RIP John Paul II...:cry:
Until the very end, he was a fighter it would seem. As every news site and channel is reporting, his impact in the world was one that, while dominated by religious importance, also had profound impact in so many other ways. His greatest legacy may well be that he was a linchpin for many of the bigger events of the 20th century.
Take care all.
He died at 9:37pm (7:37pm GMT), but due to the rules in effect, it was announced only about half an hour after.
R.I.P.
Good man.
Though I'm not of the Catholic faith ( or any real religion for that matter) I'm sure he will be sadly missed.
It doesn't really affect me personally, but I know millions of people around the world will be affected by this deeply. I feel for them.
I don't know much about him, but I really don't like what he had to say about homosexuals. Other than that he was a good guy, I guess. R.I.P pope.
He believed his suffering in his final hours brought him closer to his god. Rest in peace John Paul II.
Who is going to be New Pope?
It hasnt been decided yet.
Oh...
We probably won't know for at least 3 weeks either, as there is a lot of protocol to go through beforehand.
Take care all.
I heard 20 days.
20 days sounds like a good guess.
Take care all.
He's gone....:(
I see no one read my post. I said there will be not a new pope eariler than 15 days, and no later than 20Quote:
Originally Posted by The Captain
EDIT- whoops, my apologies capt'n, i forgot the 20 days part
and RIP Pope John Paul 2, you'll be missed
Regardless of anyone's personal feelings towards him, he was a great man without question. I will miss him as a person.
Yams said it better than I could.
I almost want to cry when I think that he is gone.
It is going to be strange, as was said he's been Pope for the entire lives of a good 50% of the population. I imagine the Cardinals are already preparing to convene and choose his successor.
Wasn't there some kind of prophecy or something about the popes? I forget exactly but it was something about the three girls seeing mary and there were only supposed to be a few more popes before the end of the world. I think one of them was supposed to be something like Gloria Oliviae or something like that. I'm probably waaaay off.
At any rate, the pope was a great man, and he really seemed to take time to stand up for the poor and the weak. I respect him for that, even if I'm not Catholic.
May he rest in peace. My friend who technically has been confirmed a Catholic but hasn't been to mass in years went today with his Grandmother and just from that wants to adopt it as his religion.
Not quite, as I know what you are talking about. It was 3 secrets told by Mary. I dont know the other two, in fact, I dont know if the other 2 were revealed yet, but one of them was the foretelling of the assasination attempt on John Paul IIQuote:
Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon
My dad is a devout Catholic. He just told me that he thinks the Pope died today for a reason. Apparently, tommorow is a special holiday or something called 'divine mercy sunday'. Pope John Paul I believe created this holiday (although I don't know why). So tommorow, millions upon millions of people will be praying on divind mercy sunday. If there is a god, than this is no coincidence.
Nostradamus predicted all the popes who have come so far. On his list he only predicted two more after John-Paul II.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon
Although i am not catholic, i am sorrowful that he has died. May he rest in peace.
I'm atheist but that doesn't mean that I don't admired him coz I still do... he made a great job among the youngs... At least now he's in a better place... :(
He was a great guy/ great Pope.
I mean, he lived a full life promoting his faith in a more positiove light then his predescssors. He shared his intrests with the world (Football...) and followed his faith very strongly and showed it (at times) to not be outdated. (The forgiveness of his would-be-asassain)
RIP dude
I'm neither Catholic, nor christian, but I admired his tenacity and the fact that he seemed to always push for peace. Requiescat in pace Patre Giovanni Paulo...rest in peace Karol.
Amen my brother. I hope we can live up to the man's example.Quote:
Originally Posted by meowwl
Thats the fatima secrets. Two of them are known to the public and the other one the pope has chose not to release publicly. The other two prophecies have been fulfilled. The other...well who knows. There was alot of rumours going around similar to the one Nod said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnostic Yevon
R.I.P Pope John Paul II
Has anyone read that Angels & Demons (that one guy who also wrote The Da Vinci Code...which is also awesome) book. good reading if you're interested to find out about the Vatican and the history of their good and bad deeds. and just good reading in general for anyone and very good reading for all those conspiracy buffs.
It's good reading if you want to read a fictional conspiracy thriller. Not so good if you're actually interested in the history of the Vatican and the Catholic Church.Quote:
Originally Posted by failureBYdesign
I didn't agree with Pope John Paul II on a great number of issues but I respect and honor the life that he's lived. He was a great humanitarian, and I'm saddened by his passing.
Good-night sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest..
The Pope died on my birthday. Seriously.
Your profile here says your birthday is on April 6th, and now you say April 2nd? Make up your mind xD :p
[leeza]As Endless has requested, this does not belong here. ~ Leeza[/leeza]Quote:
Originally Posted by Endless
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I read Angels & Demons, it's the typical crappy bestseller, I thought it was awful, and the ending plot twist was by far the stupidest thing I have ever read in a book.
The real legacy of the Pope is yet to be seen. In the next few years, we'll really see how he's remembered. It's sort of unfortunate, but whenever a public figure dies, especially lately, they seem to be reflected as wonderful and nothing else. Take for instance, when Nixon passed away a few years ago, he was remembered as a "Great Leader", which blows my mind.
Take care all.
Ahem, excuse me, I do not know how simply stating the truth is considered "disrespectful". Hey, hello, he supported Pinochet. It's the truth, simply. It's no lack of respect, going like "OMFG TEH POPE SUXXORZ" is a lack of respect, refering to a simple fact is just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Nexus
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Originally Posted by Endless
Oops, I'll have to change that.