The media has been trying to make the hurricane disaster someone's fault and the roulette wheel has seemed to stop on the president. Well, hindsight is always 20/20. If you want to blame anyone blame the idiots that built a city in a giant bowl.
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The media has been trying to make the hurricane disaster someone's fault and the roulette wheel has seemed to stop on the president. Well, hindsight is always 20/20. If you want to blame anyone blame the idiots that built a city in a giant bowl.
yup its so true, always when thers trouble the people or country will blame the leader the easiest target.
you can blame the president because the buck stops with him. he is in overall charge and so all failures link directly to him.
but it is not just his fault. it is the federal government too.
the city is okay in theory. holland does fine. but holland isn't in the firing line of hurricanes. lack of funding comes down to it. and that is to to with the president.
yeah well if u knew that congress only gives him a set amount of money, its not that easy to go fund it all on a natural disaster.
then rmember some oif that mony goes to starving africans through trade subsidies. where would you rather your money be spent?
where its needed not wanted.
starving africans are needed? keeps the world ticking over? or just keeps the american farmers happy? what a pleasent thought.
ok its not the american farmers fault they live here, and it sure aint our fault theres starvin africans, we America bascily take care of everyone,i dont see scotland donating billions of dollars to africa.
actually the uk was the first and only country at the time (october) to donate money to niger when it asked for aid. also the home of live aid and live 8. so yeah we do.
but not more than we have.......
that may because you are bigger, more powerful and richer.
so then y complain that were not helping enough??? or that were greedy american farmers????
the eu also has a trade subsidy on the same level (i refuse to buy from them too).
why direct critcism to america. becauseit is the one single country that can end this. but refuses to. out of petty self interest and greed.
The only thing that makes me really angry is when people blame someone else, but they haven't really -tried- to help out at all themselves. There's a lot we can do to help, just by spending 5 dollars at wal-mart is an easy start.
There's about a million people you can blame for this.
The president for not giving enough support.
The governer for not relinquishing control to the feds.
The mayor for not relinquishing control to the state.
The city for knowing damn well that, in the event of something like this, they would end up completely under water, but most didn't evacuate anyway.
The French for building the town below sea level two hundred years ago.
The trickle down effect just keeps going until you eventually end up saying something ridiculous like it's all the French's fault. I agree with Reles that people need to do action. Can't go directly and help? Volunteer at your local Red Cross/Salvation Army. Can't volunteer? Give blood. Can't give blood? Give cash. Can't do any of that? Shut your pie hole.
what so u r callin us greedy.y dont u guys end it , ohhh maybe cuz u cant so dont come gripin at us to end stuff we didnt start,we do more than u guys, so what does that tell u?????
This is your warning. Don't pick fights in EoEO/EotW.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackline77
Isn't one thread like this enough? Blaming Bush (who I do hate with a passion) for Hurricane Katrina is like Fred Phelp's blaming of gays for 9/11.
Now his slow acting upon disaster and pure lack of leadership in getting people without means out of New Orleans when the god damn thing was coming...you can go ahead and blame blame blame...but is that going to help anything? Is that going to fix New Orleans, revive the dead, and fix all the destroyed lives that this disaster has caused? No.
the us did start us subsidies. and it tells me that your are richer and more powerful.
i think it's best if for everyone (and hsu's) sake that we go back on topic again.
hey hsu theirs other people cussin at eatchother in other threads directly, and ur going to tell me to chill, that post i posted in wasnt a direct to anyone.
You know who to blame? Everyone. The pople who lived there, the engingeers whom said the levee would be fixed, president Bush, and several million other people.
Everyone tere knew the dangers of living in that location. All of the government officals that were voted in should push the issue. Bush really couldn't of sent aid immediatley, because everything was reported as being ok, and it was for a while.
I really don't think that yelling at Bush alone does much. Saying that its his fault for having troops in IRAQ is even dumber. Just for arguments sake, lets say that we had fixed the levies, and helped niger, I am sure other problems with the middle east, or other areas of the world would be getting thrown in our face. That is just a theory though. I am not trying to alleviate the relavance of this to Katrina, I just think that people need to quit blaming America for other countries problems; especcially when we do help one, we get black flagged from half the other countries in the free world. We are not a puppet, so please quit playing the blame game for the worlds issues on us.
As for Katrina, I must just say, that that is all of our faults. We worry about paying too many taxes, when we should worry more about where that tax money is going. Taxes are a fact of life. We have to help out where we can and it costs money to help our people out. If we had provoked taxes to go for more of a natural disaster bill, to fortify cities with the resources to battle plausible disasters, the affects of this huricane would be nill. It is, like I say, naive to pretend that would fix all of our problems. However, I would personally see it as money better spent.
Bipper
Is Bush to blame for not evacuating people and all of this other crap? NO! He is however to blame for not taking control of the situation when it kept declining. He is the President...the LEADER of this country and he is not leading and it shows. This article sums it up pretty well.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050907/...g_with_katrinaQuote:
WASHINGTON - The Bush White House is known for its ability to remain in control of its message and image, sliding out of crises with barely a scratch. Not this time.
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Despite day after day of appearances by
President Bush aimed at undoing the political damage from a poor response to Hurricane Katrina, the White House has not been able to regain its footing, already shaken by the war in
Iraq and a death toll exceeding 1,880.
The administration on Tuesday struggled to deflect calls for an accounting of who was responsible for a hurricane response that even Bush acknowledged was inadequate. There were increasing calls for the resignation or firing of Michael Brown, director of the
Federal Emergency Management Agency.
"I think it's clear we're in damage control now," said Norman Ornstein, political analyst at the American Enterprise Institute think tank.
It's a troubling position for Bush, already suffering the lowest approval ratings of his presidency.
The mistakes have come one upon the other.
Even as Katrina was bearing down on the Gulf Coast that Sunday night and early Monday, Aug. 28-29, and the
National Hurricane Center was warning of growing danger, the White House didn't alter the president's plans to fly from his Texas ranch to the West to promote a new Medicare prescription drug benefit.
By the time Bush landed in Arizona that Monday, the storm was unleashing its fury on Louisiana and Mississippi. The president inserted into his speech only a brief promise of prayers and federal help.
He continued his schedule in California, and he didn't decide until the next day that he should return to Washington. But it took him another day to get there, as he flew back to Texas to spend another night at his home before leaving for the White House.
Once the president was in Washington, the criticism only intensified.
While a drowned New Orleans descended into lawless misery, Bush delivered remarks from the Rose Garden that were seen as flat and corporate. It was a sharp contrast to the commanding, empathetic president the public rallied around in the days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
In a television interview, Bush said — mistakenly — that nobody anticipated the breach of the levees in a serious storm.
Even Monday's trip to the region was a redo, hurriedly arranged by the White House over the weekend after lukewarm response to Bush's first in-person visit to the Gulf Coast last Friday.
Bush had raised eyebrows on his first trip by, among other things, picking Sen. Trent Lott (news, bio, voting record), R-Miss. — instead of the thousands of mostly poor and black storm victims — as an example of loss. "Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house — he's lost his entire house — there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch," Bush said with a laugh from an airplane hangar in Mobile, Ala.
In the same remarks, Bush gave FEMA chief Brown — the face for many of the inadequate federal response — a hearty endorsement. "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job," Bush said.
Later in Biloxi, Miss., Bush tried to comfort two stunned women wandering their neighborhood clutching Hefty bags, looking in vain for something to salvage from the rubble of their home. He kept insisting they could find help at a Salvation Army center down the street, even after another bystander had informed him it had been destroyed.
And at his last stop that day, at the airport outside of New Orleans, Bush lauded the increasingly desperate city as a great town because he used go there and "enjoy myself — occasionally too much."
Unlike his galvanizing appearance in the rubble of the World Trade Center just days after the 2001 attacks, Bush has stayed far from the epicenter of New Orleans' suffering. His only foray into the city was to its edges to watch crews plugging one of the breached levees on Friday.
On Monday, he skipped the hardest-hit coastal areas entirely, choosing instead to visit Baton Rouge, the state capital about 80 miles northwest of New Orleans, which sustained no damage. He also went to Poplarville, Miss., to walk the streets of a middle-class neighborhood that seemed to suffer little more than snapped trees, a couple off-kilter carport roofs and a downed power line or two.
White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the president avoided New Orleans to stay out of the way of search-and-rescue operations.
"It's going to be almost impossible to overcome the perception about the president that he didn't show compassion and didn't get control of the policy failures," American University political scientist James Thurber said. "The vivid images that are coming across the television are really destroying his image as a leader."
White House counselor Dan Bartlett said the president and his aides are unconcerned for now about the unrelenting criticism.
"Emotions are running high. People are tired," Bartlett said. "If we focused more of our attention on decisions that have already been made, rather than on those before us, there's potential for making far greater mistakes. ... We really don't have time to play the political game right now."
It's obviously the hurricane's fault all this happened.
So like I've said several times before, let's ban hurricanes from America.
How on earth can it be George Bush's fault for a hurricane?
For not banning hurricanes :) Though it is part his fault for not giving the levies the attention they needed. It's not like he seen it comming, and did nothing, but he is still part to blame for this.Quote:
So like I've said several times before, let's ban hurricanes from America.
Yes, I do agree, the huricane is mostly at fault here; but think mother nature cares?
bipper
This is the best idea so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by -N-
blame God
You can't blame a nonexsistent being.
true true ^^
You can't say that something doesn't exist cause you don't see or feel it, that is asine. I have som ebushes outside of my window, but because you can't see them doesn't mean they don't exist.
The best thing to do would be to ban hurricanes or nullify thier effect, thus build up the levees. its simple really :D They have been working to 'ban' earthquakes in San Fran and in the rest of Califonia, by updating buildints and making smart decisions. Why should any other antrual disaster not be planned for?
Bipper
okay you have a point there, but if i choose to argue this will blow out full scale about religion, i can sense it ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
That is why I made my case breif. Please, keep this to the subject, I would welcome a religouse battle anywhere, but in an uninviting thread. I mearley had to say somthing because it is disrespectful to me to see my GOD get flamed here.
I don't know what the official forum rules are, but lets please keep others in mind eh?
Bipper
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Originally Posted by blackline77
Because there not donating as much as they can.
I wish we would get out of the rest of the world for the most part. At least then we will not have to spend as much on foriegn aid or defense and when people bitch it will actually be the truth that we don't help out enough.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
Jon Stewart on the Daily Show - Bush did it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...wr/bushabc.jpg
I am in love with Jon Stewart. In LOVE.
I wasn't saying God without a doubt doesn't exsist: I was merely trying to point out that alot of people don't believe he does and thus can't blame him. I don't know or care either way myself, because if the Bible is true he'll throw me and everyone else in Hell reguardless. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bipper
Thats so [not at all intelligent]. A hurricane hitting a city in a bowel is in no way his fault. At all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
LOL mirel.
There ya go DMKA good point indeed. I love it when athiests blame GOD for things, or use the fact that people die for a fact that GOD does not exist. On the same tolken I was asked if I think the levee was GOD's wrath on the pestalance of Marti Gras. I was not 100% sure how to answer. I don't know if I see smiting as much of an activity since after the new covenant of Jesus's Blood.
People seem to want to blame GOD for a lot of things, belivers or not. I happen to belive that we live in a very natural place and things will happen. We all must claim responsability for our own actions.
:D
Bipper
I agree the blame is passed to him, and as president he is responsible being the commander in chief. So to an extent he is responsible for problems surrounding the evacuation effort in Louisiana. On the other side the government carried before he took office obviously did an extremely poor job of making sure bay states are protected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
"Thats so [not at all intelligent]. A hurricane hitting a city in a bowel is in no way his fault. At all."
actually it is. you build a city. below sea level. in an area which has hurricanes and sea surges. you the don't maintain or upgrade the system to protect the people. you then don't help them escape when you realise what a big mistake this has all been.
lesson one: don't make a city below sea level.
lesson two: if you really need to don't do it in an area liable for storms, sea surges and flooding.
lesson three: if you do make it safe.
lesson four: if all else fails be prepared to ship everyone the hell of out of there when the time comes.
Lesson five: When the city begins to sink, move somewhere else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud No.9
You had tons of valid points there, Cloud No.9 (I think this is the first time I agree with you), but I thought I should point this out. Not only was New Orleans built in a shallow basin in the middle of a hurricaine prone area, but it was built on soft river delta soil. While it's great for crops, it's lousy as a substitute for bedrock. No solid foundation means that the city's ground level has been slowly sinking. It was lower when the hurricaine hit than it had been when the city was built.
Amen to that.Quote:
I agree with Reles that people need to do action. Can't go directly and help? Volunteer at your local Red Cross/Salvation Army. Can't volunteer? Give blood. Can't give blood? Give cash. Can't do any of that? Shut your pie hole.
*cough*global warming*cough* :DQuote:
How on earth can it be George Bush's fault for a hurricane?
Although assigning blame is pretty useless, we DO need to determine what went wrong (with aid, evacuations, ect...) so we can try to avoid a repeat.
no one is to blame, People just like reasons to have a go at Bush...
I pretty much agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dreddz
Look at what cloud 9, and Skyblade said (I very much agree with this). George Bush v1.0's lackies pointed out the fact that the levees had become unstable and put it on the priority list right before clinton took office. Clinton knew of this too; 8 years and nothing done. Bush almost go away with 8 more years too. It's the old Governments saying, ignore a priblem - it will go away. Well, either way Bush has got to be happy now; he gets to spend more of our money. It woulda been cheeper to fix the levies...
On top of all the stupidity, I guess a lot of the "beach front" is going to be commercially developed. Since that makes so much damn sence. Like skyblade said, this is a DELTA. Meaning its only solid ground is the crap spewing out of the mississippi river! Of course the city would want more comercial space, as that gets them more money and such. Why would they put it on the beach on a delta. When you think of the buildings and structures that will go there - I don't think I have to draw an elaberate picture here.
Bipper
thus proving that people in general, (and government officials in particular) are bloody idiots.