IN MEMORY OF THE VICTIMS OF THE TERRORIST ATTACKS AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2001.
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IN MEMORY OF THE VICTIMS OF THE TERRORIST ATTACKS AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ON SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2001.
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
Our flag's at half mast today.
My computer's been acting screwy, and buttons to insert links and smilies don't work, but I'll give you the URL anyway: http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html In case anyone forgot what terrorism is, or if you just want to see a good memorial video.
the comic B.C., which I usually enjoy, ran the expected september 11th strip today. The little ant asked his father if the numbers 7 and 11 were lucky, and then his dad pointed out the dates 12/7 and 9/11 as being unlucky, and it made me upset, because december 7th is my birthday, and today is the birthday of a friend of mine, and to have your date of birth declared to be an unlucky day, no matter the events beyond your control is not a pleasing thing.
That being said, today is also Grandparents' Day. Go hug your granny and your grandpa.
I completely spaced the date. Im gonna put mny flag at halfmast too, and leave it there for the katrina victims.
I did hug my grandparents. And yes, it IS an unlucky day, because something HORRIBLE happened on those days and SO many people died. Yes, people are focusing on not one but TWO disasters today: Hurricane Katrina AND 9/11.
I have said my prayer for the day.
God Bless America, her citizens, her voice, her support. May all the soul's who were lost in the attack of cowardace find peace, and may all the men resoponsable for this recieve thier just punishment.
May the families and friends who have lost, live blessed and bountiful lives. Let thier voices carry on the story, and thier words move ino our hearts, so that we never forget that wretched day. September 11, 2001.
Amen.
Bipper
Death always leads to more death, as 9/11/01 showed us. The needless slaughter of civillians led to more needless slaughter.
May this day forever stand as a reminder of the futility of revenge and war. Violence will ALWAYS lead to more violence.
I have to disagree with this here. If someone is gonna constantly attack you, do you sit and wait? My religon says to kill enemies with kindness, while other tell people to kill themselves in the name of thier god. Violence is inherant in human nature as seen through out the old testement (several books whice many major religons adopted).Quote:
needless slaughter.
I see the needless death, and sorrows caused by us sitting back as being far worse. I would never call our plight needless nor would i call it revenge. Iraq prolly woulda happend either way.
Although I do not want to turn thess into another Iraq debate, I just think that calling the outcome of this tragity as beeing needless war deters us from the actual memorial of 9/11. It should not hold as a memorial that war is bad no less than Pearl Harbor should. It should remind us that we are part of the world, and not as safe as we would like to be.
Bipper
You've said everything I could possibly say.Quote:
Originally Posted by bipper
I do not want to drag this into a separate debate, but I will say one last thing.
Things like this should make people stop and look at what happened. They should see people dead, never able to be with their loved ones again. And their families never being able to see them again, and the pain they must be feeling.
These events should serve as monuments to the true horrors of war/terrorism. How these things do not discriminate between the innocent, and those who would desire such a thing. Such actions are the foulest of the foul, and until people stop and realize this, it'll keep happening.
You know what? You're right! Ever since 9/11, SO MANY PEOPLE have died in this world!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus
Hmm, didn't even notice.
*salutes*
The U.N. halting it's work in the Middle East really doesn't make terrorism stop. It just displaces the violence. It will exhist regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jebus
May their souls rest in peace.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
They will be remembered.
On a slightly lighter note... it's also the birthday of an ex g/f of mine.
That's not good. Being born on an unlucky day isn't good AT ALL.
Wow, I don't want to get banned, but hahahahaha. Did you consider this day unlucky before the events? Did you realize that all these people were born before these events? Did you know that there is no such thing as luck? Did you know that you're making a bunch of people feel bad by saying their birthdate is tainted? And had these events happened on your birthday, would you like being told that your birthday will forever be known as a miserable day?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
Just thought these questions should be asked. With that being said, may they rest in peace.
Oops, you're right, but I'm not the first one who said it; someone else said so above, and I must agree with that person. If it happened on my birthday, well, I'll just have to change my birthday. The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster happened just a week before my birthday.
I know 50k or more die each day.So whats the big deal. We might be next.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMillionaire
*croaks*lol :lol:
May the memory of those that died on that day forever be in our congnition - lest we forget everything we have learned since then. May we not cower in face of our enemies, and fight onwards so that no more will die because of vicious, pointless attacks on us.
... Dude, I have an ex who was born on the eleventh of September, as well. Maybe we had the same one - mine was an irrational, un-expected, hot-tempered bitch. Who was yours? :DQuote:
it's also the birthday of an ex g/f of mine.
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lordblazer
Wow 4 years already, That was just something so terrible, so wrong I don't think anyone sane would have the heart to even attempt that.
*comes to attention*
It's also my Great-grandma's birthday...
I know about that. Only someone completely IN-sane would do such an extremely terrible thing.
That was really sad,
I cried so bad for them so many die from the airplane and the trade center.
But I pray that will never happen again...
Probably not. Mine was definately all those things. But she was also half-korean and stood 6 foot tall, exactly, when barefoot. If you were going for descriptions, you would have included those things in the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
too bad it will happen again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuna Braska 19
Let us remember this as a lesson of mankind. That will always be repeated over and over again. It is jus othing but a never ending cycle.
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I think further back in time., We were as advance as we are now. Heck proably even more so, but what happened? Most likely we just destroyed each other and everything just went back to primitive. I fear the same will happen again
Sept 11th also stands for another terrorist attack in which Pinochet overthrew Allende's democratic elected government in a US backed military coup that installed a fascist regime which lasted for 17 years and ended with 3,197 people getting tortured and murdered
http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/3...letank37cg.jpg
Yep. Sometimes you give, sometimes you recieve, but history will always repeat itself. But that little deal with lining the 9/11's up is just coincidence. Bin Laden's men timed it to be as close as possible to some Islamic anniversary. Religious, I think, but I'm not an expert on islam, and have never had much memory for calender dates.
They couldn't hit the exact day, because it wasn't feasible for some reason (probably just available schedualed flights), so they went with a few days early.
Though the US' actions were both reprehensible and, in hindsight, incredibly stupid, there's little comparison between 3,100 deaths in 17 years, and 3,100 deaths in 4 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quoter
Why? Are you saying the suffering of those in Chile are less than those in America simply because they all died on the same day? Extended suffering is as bad. Ask families of cancer victims.Quote:
Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF
We have lost over 3,000 lives in this small country in over 30 years. Your one attack is worse than this? Please explain yourself.
Somehow, I think the dead would disagree. Besides, we Americans still have the standing world record for "most killed in least amount of time". Atomic weaponry is really good in that competition.
EDIT: to MILF. Cuch's post wasn't there when I posted.
And we've lost 6,000,000 in 6 years, and then entire percentages of our population in the following 56 years. Wanna compete?Quote:
We have lost over 3,000 lives in this small country in over 30 years.
Seriously, this is stupid. This thread is about those that were killed in the attack on the World Trade Center, not those that were killed under Pinochet's regime, or any other tyrant\terrorist\mass-murderer.
We as in who? Jews or Israelis? The only person competing here is you, I was making a RESPONSE to a point. I have not segregated the deaths by 'sides' or 'religion' like you are, so how I'm 'competing' I'll never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Angel
This thread expanded before my post, perhaps quote them with your little response and not I?
Interesting you quote only your own Jewish losses in both the War and the Near East conflict. Says a lot.
Ahh Yes Jaffar Has Heard Of Terror That Has Obbssesed This World.Indeed There Can Be No Greater Fright Of Fear Then Foul Air of An Assiliant.Those Of Who Do Not Share There Kin Will Speak With Them But They Will Not Listen They Say "Speak Your Vile Words We Are Deaf To You" And So When An Arab Speaks With Them That They May Grow In There Wisdom They Would Say "No I Go, And Death Will Follow".But Lest Not They Dispair In The Way Of Allah For Allah Will Not Blought Out There Sins He Shall Say To Them Discource From This Path Lest I Smight Thee, And Hell Will Be There Abode What An Evil Refuge To Lie In, Or Lest Jaffar Smites Them With The Righteous Back Hand Of Jaffar HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You mistake my case. A single attack which caused 3000 deaths is an event of just as much significance as the terrorists wanted it to be (Although they probably didn't get the message they wanted across.). 3000 deaths spread over 17 years is not an attack of the same kind. Still horrific, and still wrong, but not the same thing and not comparable. So yes, I am saying exactly that the suffering of those in Chile is less than in the US, and for exactly the reason you suggest. There's no shock in a facist regime killing people, and no problems figuring out why the government is killing. The shock and apparent senselessness of 9/11 caused additional grief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuchulainn
(Note: The US might have supported various regimes, but the fact is other people were pulling the triggers. You can't blame David Blaine if someone sits in a box until they die, not even if he gave them the box. They chose to climb in.)
The shock is more apparent, but the tragedy is equal. The suffering is no less. Living years of fear and death is far worse for a population, and indeed the human psyche than one single attack. Numerous nations have went through years of it, the US had one major incident. Not to belittle that tragedy, America has got off lightly with homeland conflicts over the last hundred years. To say the tragedy of Chile or even Northern Ireland is LESS is an insult and severely deluded. I'm not sure if that's what you mean and I severely I hope it isn't.
6,000,000 in 6 years? i thought it would a. either be longer and taken from the day of krystalnacht and the true oppression of the news. or much shorter and limited purely to the wannassee conference and the final solution.
there is of course a faster and more brutal tragedy. 1 million in a hundred days committed purely with machetes in rwanda.
and 50,000 people a day in africa dying purely of starvation.
and dresden and the atomic bombs.
but back to the point.
9-11 was coming. it had been aggravated to the point to which it was unavoidable. and a repeat of it is inevitable.
remember 9-11 wasn't a new thing for al-qaeda. they always had in mind massive attacks. the african embassy bombings. and the original wtc attacks. the idea behind that was in fact to knock one tower into the other like a domino.
and they'll try again. and will probably succeed.
You say that Cloud, and then you wonder about our retaliation and fear of terrorists?! I am confused.
retaliation? against who? iraq? the children and the blind and the crippled in camp x-ray. the men that are tortured in this retiliation?
afghanistan i can understand but nothing else.
That is what I was refearing too. WE obviously don't want them to try again. Can you really blame us? The terrorists were not sanctioned by Afghanistan, but a self orginised called 'al qaeda'. Now, obviosuly there were other things on Bush's plate, and he evidently desided that using there terrist terror, and the WMD, that we would attack Iraq. There are obviously a million other reasons, but we should not of just attacked Afghanistan just because Osama sent us a love note from that address...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloud no.9
Bipper