I don't like the way FF7 portraits homosexuality...

Since I think FF7 is such a great game, I find it sad that the guys at the Honeybee Inn are such perverts.
It's so obvious that they're supposed to be gays, but instead they behave like they were rapists or something.
Not only do they approach Cloud in a VERY uncomfortable way, but they also are complete wimps, that kind who seems capable of weeping for the least of things.

I mean, I KNOW homosexuals don't automatically act extremely different, as these guys seemed to do.
Also they don't automatically get turned on by everyone (I find it hard to believe that about 6-7 guys would all fall in love with Cloud just like that).
And Cloud feeling afraid of them: why would he?
If he's so comfortable with his sexuality, then he shouldn't feel so afraid of them falling in love with him, because he wouldn't be able to return their feelings.

What the hell?
I'm a little angry with the creators of this game, because this kind of prejudice is very stupid and irritating.
I wish guys like FuSoYa, Sabin, Seifer and Amarant would be considered gays one day, because that's not impossible at all, and they would add some cool atmosphere to the whole gay thing.

Honestly? They probably made them "over-the-top gay" so that people could identify they were gay. If they weren't, most people would not have known that they were and Square probably wanted to make sure everyone knew that they were gay.

i dont like homosexuals its just wrong

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Originally Posted by finalfantasyguy4ever

i dont like homosexuals its just wrong

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And this has to do with how FFVII portays homosexuality how?

Newsflash: They hit on him because he was a paying customer.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Newsflash: They hit on him because he was a paying customer.

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Way to piss on my parade; I thought they were hitting on my through my pixelated avatar :cry:

Yea well who wouldn´t want to be a big muscle guy with a tong?

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Originally Posted by Peter_20

Since I think FF7 is such a great game, I find it sad that the guys at the Honeybee Inn are such perverts.
It's so obvious that they're supposed to be gays, but instead they behave like they were rapists or something.
Not only do they approach Cloud in a VERY uncomfortable way, but they also are complete wimps, that kind who seems capable of weeping for the least of things.

I mean, I KNOW homosexuals don't automatically act extremely different, as these guys seemed to do.
Also they don't automatically get turned on by everyone (I find it hard to believe that about 6-7 guys would all fall in love with Cloud just like that).
And Cloud feeling afraid of them: why would he?
If he's so comfortable with his sexuality, then he shouldn't feel so afraid of them falling in love with him, because he wouldn't be able to return their feelings.

What the hell?
I'm a little angry with the creators of this game, because this kind of prejudice is very stupid and irritating.
I wish guys like FuSoYa, Sabin, Seifer and Amarant would be considered gays one day, because that's not impossible at all, and they would add some cool atmosphere to the whole gay thing.

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Once again, the true discrimination of FFVII is overlooked. Racism... Heterosexism... it may all be true, it may not be. But this game discriminates against monsters. Did you see how easily Sephy impaled the big snake? Complete discrimination. It portrays monsters in a horrible manner. Monsters have feelings too, and they don't just randomely attack everyone walking across the world map. They have lives, families, and jobs. This game makes me sick.

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Originally Posted by finalfantasyguy4ever

i dont like homosexuals its just wrong

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I have bad news about the character you have in your avatar then.

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Originally Posted by LunarWeaver

Once again, the true discrimination of FFVII is overlooked. Racism... Heterosexism... it may all be true, it may not be. But this game discriminates against monsters. Did you see how easily Sephy impaled the big snake? Complete discrimination. It portrays monsters in a horrible manner. Monsters have feelings too, and they don't just randomely attack everyone walking across the world map. They have lives, families, and jobs. This game makes me sick.

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Alright, then this game is discrimating against monsters as well, fine.

...but my point still concerns the homosexuality part, and since that's about humans - us - it's a bit more serious.

That's a disgraceful statement. We're not more important than other intelligent life-forms just because we're 'Humans'. Look at the Sahagin - they're clearly intelligent enough to develop, engineer, and make use of tools. Yet the game portrays them as cannon fodder to be killed with impunity - and worse yet, it shows THEM as the aggressors. Anybody with even a passing knowledge of Sahagin history and culture will be aware they are a sensible and kind people, with a deep and poigniant culture, only ever fighting in defense of their lands or loved ones.

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

That's a disgraceful statement. We're not more important than other intelligent life-forms just because we're 'Humans'.

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Yes, from our standpoint we're more important.
Would you choose a human to die instead of... an insect?
I don't think so. :D

Yes, all life is equal and bla-bla-bla, but humans will always give priority to themselves in these cases,
and we all know that's the truth.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...FFVII-Bomb.jpg

Bombs commit suicide because of the abuse they receive. Do you not cry at night thinking of the suicide you have driven them to? Because I do. Forget the homophobia, think of the bombs.

I'm guessing you're referring to Muki and all the other dudes in the Group room. I usually choose the $#%@* (or whatever arrangement they chose) Room, cause it adds a little bit to Cloud's whole confusion thing.

There's one thing I would like to add:

There is nothing in the game suggesting they were gay/straight/bisexual/whatever.

They were (toned down for a T rating) prostitutes.

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Originally Posted by Bolivar

There is nothing in the game suggesting they were gay/straight/bisexual/whatever.

They were (toned down for a T rating) prostitutes.

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Well, I think you can clearly tell that they're supposed to be gays, because they perfectly live up to the stereotype.

What the heck? The guys in the Honeybee Inn were awesome. In all seriousness, I thought they were great, and funny.

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It's so obvious that they're supposed to be gays, but instead they behave like they were rapists or something.

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It's a brothel. We can either assume they were paying customers and therefore straight, or male prostitutes, and in which case it's hardly surprising that they acted like "rapists".

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but they also are complete wimps, that kind who seems capable of weeping for the least of things.

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Wimps? They were big and muscular.

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Also they don't automatically get turned on by everyone (I find it hard to believe that about 6-7 guys would all fall in love with Cloud just like that).

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They didn't fall in love with him. They were just having a little bit of fun or, if they were prostitutes, doing their job. The only one who seemed interested in him was Mukki. The others didn't say anything to him other than "Yo!".

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And Cloud feeling afraid of them: why would he?

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If six beefy strangers stripped you naked and then climbed into a bath with you, would you feel totally comfortable?

Also, why aren't you angry at the way FFVII portrays heterosexuality because Don Corneo was a huge raging pervert?

Just a question: In the Honeybee Inn, exist gay womans? Just a curiosity.

Does this really need a discussion?

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Originally Posted by Peter_20

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

That's a disgraceful statement. We're not more important than other intelligent life-forms just because we're 'Humans'.

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Yes, from our standpoint we're more important.
Would you choose a human to die instead of... an insect?
I don't think so. :D

Yes, all life is equal and bla-bla-bla, but humans will always give priority to themselves in these cases,
and we all know that's the truth.

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If they are intelligent insects, then I can't say I could easily choose. If they're just normal bugs, and the choice is between one and the other, then sure. But honestly, how many times have YOU been attacked in real life by a Kelzmelzer? Exactly. They're peaceful and indeed friendly beings. The game merely portrays them as evil and brainwashes people into thinking the choice is between humans and nonhumans.

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

If they are intelligent insects, then I can't say I could easily choose. If they're just normal bugs, and the choice is between one and the other, then sure. But honestly, how many times have YOU been attacked in real life by a Kelzmelzer? Exactly. They're peaceful and indeed friendly beings. The game merely portrays them as evil and brainwashes people into thinking the choice is between humans and nonhumans.

...bla-bla-bla...

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lol, you've gotta be kidding. XD

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Originally Posted by LunarWeaver

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i2...FFVII-Bomb.jpg

Bombs commit suicide because of the abuse they receive. Do you not cry at night thinking of the suicide you have driven them to? Because I do. Forget the homophobia, think of the bombs.

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That's right! Forget the big strapping manwhores who seems to wanna hang with Cloud in a questionable way for a reasonable price when we can discuss the issue of countless SPECIES dying because of self-abused bombs exploding all over the place, whose lives are ruined by humans. Screw the homophobia! Save the Bombs!

On a more serious note, they don't have to be gay because they HAPPEN to be big strapping manwhores who happen to creep out any rich guy that happens to be swinging by to collect perfume so he can sneak into Corneo's mansion to save his busty yet valuable party member. Not ALL gays are creepy, but all creepy people are creepy.

CASE CLOSED, MY DEAR WATSON!

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Originally Posted by LunarWeaver

That's right! Forget the big strapping manwhores who seems to wanna hang with Cloud in a questionable way for a reasonable price when we can discuss the issue of countless SPECIES dying because of self-abused bombs exploding all over the place, whose lives are ruined by humans. Screw the homophobia! Save the Bombs!

On a more serious note, they don't have to be gay because they HAPPEN to be big strapping manwhores who happen to creep out any rich guy that happens to be swinging by to collect perfume so he can sneak into Corneo's mansion to save his busty yet valuable party member. Not ALL gays are creepy, but all creepy people are creepy.

CASE CLOSED, MY DEAR WATSON!

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And why are you being so sarcastic, anyway? :eep:
Sometimes I get the feeling some members around here are trying to pick fights with me, going all über-serious and indignant towards anything.
It's really annoying.

I'm pretty sure he's just joking around. :cat:

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Originally Posted by Psychotic

If six beefy strangers stripped you naked and then climbed into a bath with you, would you feel totally comfortable?

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Oh, yes :kaohappy2

And I never thought anything of those scenes, they did make the game more amusing ^_^

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Originally Posted by Jojee

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Originally Posted by Psychotic

If six beefy strangers stripped you naked and then climbed into a bath with you, would you feel totally comfortable?

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Oh, yes :kaohappy2

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You're a sexual deliquent though, so you don't count.

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Originally Posted by Peter_20

Sometimes I get the feeling some members around here are trying to pick fights with me, going all über-serious and indignant towards anything.
It's really annoying.

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People are responding with sarcasm because you're trying to make a social justice case out of a comedy scene in a video game.

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Originally Posted by Kawaii Ryûkishi

People are responding with sarcasm because you're trying to make a social justice case out of a comedy scene in a video game.

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Aren't you administrators supposed to warn sarcastic members? :mad:
What happened to the whole "respect the topic creator" thingy, anyway?

This is plain hypocrisy.

Yeah, those scenes really weren't meant to be taken seriously. In fact, if you look at them a certain way, they're actually really funny.

To be honest, if I was a large gay man with a bunch of buddies in the certain type of inn, I would probably be drawn to Cloud. He is toned, blonde, blue-eyes, and he was wearing woman's underwear at the time. Honestly, you can say that this is a blatant act of homosexual prejudice and whatnot, but the people who made the game were just having a little fun. Lighten up and take it for what it's made to be: a bit of comic relief.

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Originally Posted by Psychotic

And Cloud feeling afraid of them: why would he?

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If six beefy strangers stripped you naked and then climbed into a bath with you, would you feel totally comfortable? [/quote]
I would be most happy and comfortable in this situation.

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Originally Posted by Peter_20

This is plain hypocrisy.

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We have forums dedicated to such issues, i.e. the EoEO section. If you had made a post in EoEO about how you don't like how homosexual people are portrayed in certain games, then fair play. However this forum is designed for discussion of specifically the game, be it it's plot, characters, battle-mechanics, etc. as well as giving assistance to those who ask for it. If you're expecting a serious debate about the issue, then this is the wrong place for it. Kishi hit the nail on the head, as per.

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Originally Posted by Peter_20

This is plain hypocrisy.

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We have forums dedicated to such issues, i.e. the EoEO section. If you had made a post in EoEO about how you don't like how homosexual people are portrayed in certain games, then fair play. However this forum is designed for discussion of specifically the game, be it it's plot, characters, battle-mechanics, etc. as well as giving assistance to those who ask for it. If you're expecting a serious debate about the issue, then this is the wrong place for it. Kishi hit the nail on the head, as per.

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Hm, didn't know about that. :eek:

Alright then, I guess. :D:rolleyes2

pete did u read the smalls letters on the bottom

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Originally Posted by finalfantasyguy4ever

i dont like homosexuals its just wrong

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TEN YEAR OLDS ARE TAKING OVER EOFF!!!


And on topic, I thought the guys at the Honeybee Inn were pretty funny. The way they had Cloud in the hot tub and stuff. xD

They were one of the comic relief in Final Fantasy VII, Square made it for fun. You don't have to take it so hard. Plus, that scene is memorable and funny.

Keep in mind they wern't just Gays they were prositutes. They just did there jobs.

Hell, the bad pixels wouldn't tell me if cloud was a girl or a guy :(

haha i thought that was funny at the honey bee inn i didnt think they were gays

Hey if they had not had something in that game that said look here this is funny laugh it would not be the game. You could look closely in alot of games and find the same type of stuff. But in FFVII you just had to laugh at it because it actually brought out that. But that was several years ago before that became such a big thing anyway. Also you could find several things in there if you looked closely enough. Like the killing of hundreds of people by destroying a support beam, or by killing the world because of taking its life away. FFVII is just way to good to spurn for something that has been in it for about 7 or 8 years now I believe forgive me if I got my dates wrong.

It's a game, what the hell does it really matter?

That is what I said!! So don't go out and do what the retards my grandpa heard about. they played a game and then got so into it that they thought they where in it and went and jumped off a cliff.

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Originally Posted by Jackpot

Hell, the bad pixels wouldn't tell me if cloud was a girl or a guy :(

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Heh, well it got straigtened out during the cross-dressing business, I'm sure :p