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Anyone knows anything about DSRF?
In the tutorial you will find:
3015 Found a strong energy field
4141Call this place Deep See Deposit
4127 Travel by underwater tower
4242 Seal off Deep Sea Deposit
I have no clue about that.Anyone can tell me what is that?
i dont know what you mean by most of that.
once you've got the ragnorok (airship.) fly to the bottom left corner of the world map and somewhere around there you should find the DSRF.
Can anyone explains these numbers
3015 Found a strong energy field
4141Call this place Deep See Deposit
4127 Travel by underwater tower
4242 Seal off Deep Sea Deposit
I just let Zell handle the technical stuff. :D
MMDD or DDDD, explaining when these things first happened. At least, that's the way it made the most sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
If you do not bring Zell and just bring Quistis you won't have to fight any monsters until you reach Ultima Weapon where you can switch party members before the fight.
I think they're years, actually.
A thousand year running time for a research facility is incredibly unlikely. A thousand year running time is unlikely for any building, really, much less one stuck out in the middle of the ocean.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubah
Not to say it's impossible, merely not parsimonious.
What is MMDD and DDDD?Quote:
MMDD or DDDD, explaining when these things first happened. At least, that's the way it made the most sense to me.
It means first two digits represent month, second two days, or all four represent days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
I think DDDD would make the most sense. A time period of 4242 days would be about 12 years, which is a reasonable time frame.
FFVIII is very coy about providing absolute dates. You can map events relative to each other, but not to a year zero.
A couple of years ago, I put together a timeline of major game events that had happened a specific number of years in the past of game time:
(There are a few spoilers in here)
FFVIII Timeline
Years ago = y.a.
Deep Sea Research Center = DSRC
(Month/Day)
? y.a. Great Hyne creates life
4000 y.a. Centra civilization founded
? y.a. Esthar founded
? y.a. Dollet Empire founded
80 y.a. Centra cities destroyed by Lunar Cry
44 y.a. (1/3) Laguna Loire born
42 y.a. (2/25) Ward Zabac born
40 y.a. (7/6) Kiros Seagill born
18 (?) y.a. Horizon Bridge finished
18 y.a. Julia Heartilly marries General Caraway
18 y.a. Galbadia invades Timber
18 y.a. (10/4) Quistis Trepe born
18 y.a. (12/22) Seifer Almasy born
17 y.a. Sorceress Wars ends
17 y.a. Esthar closed
17 y.a. Radio interference due to sealing Adel
17 y.a. (3/3) Rinoa Heartilly born
17 y.a. (3/17) Zell Dincht born
17 y.a. (7/16) Selphie Tilmit born
17 y.a. (8/23) Squall Leonhart born
17 y.a. (11/24) Irvine Kinneas born
12 y.a. Julia Heartilly dies
12 y.a. Balamb Garden (a Centra shelter) founded
12 y.a. Galbadia Garden founded
12 y.a. Trabia Garden founded
3015 DSRC found a strong energy field
4127 Travel possible by underwater tower
4141 DSRC named Deep Sea Deposit
4242 DSRC sealed off Deep Sea Deposit
I think i have figured it out!:)
3015 Found a strong energy field (The day they find that place in the middle of the ocean)
3 is the month
01 is the date
???5 is the year
4127 Travel by underwater tower (2 years later)
4 is the month
12 is the date
???7 is the year
4141 Call this place Deep See Deposit (4 years later)
4 is the month
14 is the date
???5 is the year
4242 Seal off Deep Sea Deposit (The day they abandon this place)
4 is the month
24 is the date
???2 is the year
If that is true that means DSRF only running more or less 7 years before they left it.
I think that explanation is the best way to describe the number,and it makes sense.
If you go down to the facility to fight omega weapon it looks like there's many buildings in the way you go down.
It looks like there used to be a city but sank in ocean by something.
I think Squall need to find the right frequency to resonating to the rock.
If the frequency is right Ultima Weapon can hear it then go to the source of the frequency and without any clear reason Ultima Weapon fights Squall.
It the same with Omega Weapon, you have to ring the bell first to make Omega Weapon appears.
Wouldn't it make more sense, if we're bringing years into it, to arrange it as YDDD? IE: Year 4, Day 242
Any system that only displays the final digit of a year would be imprecise at best.
No, not measuring the chronological year, but operational year.
I knew what you meant. I was commenting on Evol's idea.
But any single-digit system for years would become ambiguous beyond a ten-year span.
Agreed. Hence my assumptions.
What?! are you serious?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Magus of Zeal
You mean I've been fighting annoying battles for all these years whenever I get to this point and I dont need to?!
If memory serves, you have to fight your way down to the bottom of the Deep Sea Deposit (even with Enc-None), and the random encounters in the DSD disappear if you defeat Ultima Weapon.
And I thought Zell just lets you take a different path down the DSRC.
What about 3015 Found a strong energy field?Year 3, Day 015?Quote:
Wouldn't it make more sense, if we're bringing years into it, to arrange it as YDDD? IE: Year 4, Day 242
Actually if you put the right code you dont need to fight monsters on your way down.I dont remember the code right now.Quote:
If memory serves, you have to fight your way down to the bottom of the Deep Sea Deposit (even with Enc-None), and the random encounters in the DSD disappear if you defeat Ultima Weapon.And I thought Zell just lets you take a different path down the DSRC.
Yes. That is exactly how it would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
Your idea is inconsistent,it could also mean YYDD or YYYD.
Yes, it COULD mean either of those, but neither of those gives an accurate count of the day of the year, and makes them worthless as counting tools. However, how, exactly, is YDDD inconsistent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
I mean your idea can be alterable.
And? How is this a worthwhile criticism of any of the three possible dating methods I have espoused? Your method is equally alterable, but also suffers the burden of not being incredibly, I mean incredibly unwieldy.
So you dont like someone criticized you?Quote:
And? How is this a worthwhile criticism of any of the three possible dating methods I have espoused?
Same with you.Quote:
Your method is equally alterable, but also suffers the burden of not being incredibly, I mean incredibly unwieldy
I think there used to be a city in DSRF.
No, I don't like when people try and criticize me without leg one to stand on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
Same with you.[/quote]Quote:
Your method is equally alterable, but also suffers the burden of not being incredibly, I mean incredibly unwieldy
At WORST, one of my three suffers from being unwieldy, and that's only if you assume we can't add digits to the front.
Facility? Unlikely. Deposit? Possibly. Not like it's impossible, what with all the Lunar cries throughout time.Quote:
I think there used to be a city in DSRF.
call FE lol.
You have to open-minded when someone criticize you.Quote:
No, I don't like when people try and criticize me without leg one to stand on.
For example you often criticize people without mercy.
You want someone apologizes to you when he/she insulted you but in other hand you never say sorry to the person you have insulted.
We can assume anything if it comes to a theory.Quote:
At WORST, one of my three suffers from being unwieldy, and that's only if you assume we can't add digits to the front.
There's many old structures in DSRF.Quote:
Facility? Unlikely. Deposit? Possibly. Not like it's impossible, what with all the Lunar cries throughout time.
The structures existed before those DSRF people discovered it.
Maybe Lunar Cry is an issue here but how can you prove it.
Ryushikaze is actually using a valid application of the scientific method to evaluate this game:
1) If someone makes an unusual claim, the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. It's not of the job of the people hearing the claim to disprove it.
2) Many explainations for events are possible, but simpler explanations are more likely. That's known as Occam's Razor.
3) Valid evidence would include events from the game itself, an official book (like Ultimania), or creator interviews.
Speculating on ideas that are based on other sources can be fun, but are ultimately unproveable. However, some ideas are more likely than others.
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Originally Posted by IceAngelWhat?! are you serious?????Quote:
Originally Posted by Magus of Zeal
You mean I've been fighting annoying battles for all these years whenever I get to this point and I dont need to?!
Yep. Also Enc-None doesn't work in the DSRC.
When the hell have I ever asked for an apology? No, really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
So if you assume my hypothesis has a flaw it does not have, it's unwieldy. Gotcha.Quote:
We can assume anything if it comes to a theory.Quote:
At WORST, one of my three suffers from being unwieldy, and that's only if you assume we can't add digits to the front.
As a side note, the more you assume, the worse your hypothesis. Parsimony.
I can't. But I don't need to. Because you see, I merely offered the Lunar cry as a possible reason why a city could be swept, mostly whole, into the sea. I have not said that it is.Quote:
There's many old structures in DSRF.Quote:
Facility? Unlikely. Deposit? Possibly. Not like it's impossible, what with all the Lunar cries throughout time.
The structures existed before those DSRF people discovered it.
Maybe Lunar Cry is an issue here but how can you prove it.
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When the hell have I ever asked for an apology? No, really.
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what Pharoh Amon Khan III is very true. You're an annoying bastard with no original ideas. all you do is whine and complain, and make life a misery for the rest of us. :mad:
You see?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryushikaze
But when you insult/mocking someone (i.e Viator,PAK,ect) you call names about them but you never say sorry.
I never assume your hypothesis has a flaw,i only tell my opinion about your hypothesis but you overreacted about it.Quote:
So if you assume my hypothesis has a flaw it does not have, it's unwieldy. Gotcha.
As a side note, the more you assume, the worse your hypothesis. Parsimony.
You also think that there used to be a city?Quote:
I can't. But I don't need to. Because you see, I merely offered the Lunar cry as a possible reason why a city could be swept, mostly whole, into the sea. I have not said that it is.
I only 'say names' about someone when I fully feel they deserve it, based on their history and/or lack of supporting evidence coupled with their insistence about their pet postulates. I'd also like to note that your only example of me 'demanding' an apology was more akin to a "Y'know, that kind of talk gets this sort of thing closed. You may wish to retract it before the swift hammer of justice arrives".Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
How is it overreacting to ask you to explain how my idea is 'inconsistent', and later 'alterable' (which is a direct criticism of the hypothesis, which you cannot defend as 'just opinion'), then get miffed when you cannot actually explain what it inconsistent/ alterable about it?Quote:
I never assume your hypothesis has a flaw,i only tell my opinion about your hypothesis but you overreacted about it.
I think it's possible it was a city. It's also possible it was a single edifice. I, however, do not feel there is sufficient evidence to decide what the original purpose of the Deposit was, save that it was an artificial creation.Quote:
You also think that there used to be a city?
They deserve it?Quote:
I only 'say names' about someone when I fully feel they deserve it
I am telling you now, you are not the one right person to judging someone.
You are worse than anyone that you have insulted,i believe you can feel it too.
What you deserve then? Glory,victory,proud because you feel like you are above them all?
Then what about you, "the one who judging us" ,who are you?
What your history then?Quote:
based on their history and/or lack of supporting evidence coupled with their insistence about their pet postulates.
You thought that your pet postulates superior than the others?
You thought that you are always the right one?
You cant even remember when you demanding someone to apologize to you now you are saying this to me?Quote:
I'd also like to note that your only example of me 'demanding' an apology was more akin to a "Y'know, that kind of talk gets this sort of thing closed
So far I see they closed some threads mostly because someone like you that always turn up the debate into war zone.
I wish you will become more gentle and stop your sarcasms.Quote:
You may wish to retract it before the swift hammer of justice arrives".
You see?Quote:
How is it overreacting to ask you to explain how my idea is 'inconsistent', and later 'alterable' (which is a direct criticism of the hypothesis, which you cannot defend as 'just opinion'),
Now you are overreacting again, so demanding.
Cant you ask it nicely?
I think i have explained it on post no 22,if you still dont satisfied with that you can say whatever you want.Quote:
then get miffed when you cannot actually explain what it inconsistent/ alterable about it?
After i think again i dont see Lunar Cry is the cause.Quote:
I think it's possible it was a city. It's also possible it was a single edifice. I, however, do not feel there is sufficient evidence to decide what the original purpose of the Deposit was, save that it was an artificial creation.
Lunar Cry destroyed the civilization on Centra then how come It only sank a city into ocean without destroying the city into ashes.
You can see the structure buildings are almost intact.
I rather like to think that it was an island than only a city.
The Deep SEE research facility is really something more than meet the eyes.
I'm worse? Because I demand evidence to support speculation? Because I demand rational deduction? Could you explain how I'm worse?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
Only when I have the evidence to support it, or parsimony to favor it.Quote:
What your history then?Quote:
based on their history and/or lack of supporting evidence coupled with their insistence about their pet postulates.
You thought that your pet postulates superior than the others?
You thought that you are always the right one?
Here's the trick. I wasn't demanding. I wasn't even actually asking to be apologized to, because to be frank, it doesn't matter to me. It does, however, seem to matter to the Moderators, who tend to close threads once flames are kindled. It was with the intent of keeping the discussion going that I suggested that jammi try and unsay what he had said.Quote:
You cant even remember when you demanding someone to apologize to you now you are saying this to me?Quote:
I'd also like to note that your only example of me 'demanding' an apology was more akin to a "Y'know, that kind of talk gets this sort of thing closed
So far I see they closed some threads mostly because someone like you that always turn up the debate into war zone.
I haven't actually been sarcastic this entire exchange.Quote:
I wish you will become more gentle and stop your sarcasms.Quote:
You may wish to retract it before the swift hammer of justice arrives".
Pray tell, how is asking you to explain your reasoning 'demanding'?Quote:
You see?Quote:
How is it overreacting to ask you to explain how my idea is 'inconsistent', and later 'alterable' (which is a direct criticism of the hypothesis, which you cannot defend as 'just opinion'),
Now you are overreacting again, so demanding.
Cant you ask it nicely?
And I'm telling you have not explained it. You have said "Well, it could also be this", but have given no explanation as to why it could be either example, or why either of those is a superior explanation to the ones I offered.Quote:
I think i have explained it on post no 22,if you still dont satisfied with that you can say whatever you want.Quote:
then get miffed when you cannot actually explain what it inconsistent/ alterable about it?
The Lunar Cry impacts the ground. Given sufficient force, it could cause an earthquake, loosening a seaside structure and causing it to fall into the sea, if, indeed, the cry is the cause. Though, I have no idea why you would think an impactor would necessarily turn a city to ash, especially since it left several ruins mostly intact, and since when we saw it during the course of the game, there was nothing involved but repeated Kinetic Energy transfers.Quote:
After i think again i dont see Lunar Cry is the cause.Quote:
I think it's possible it was a city. It's also possible it was a single edifice. I, however, do not feel there is sufficient evidence to decide what the original purpose of the Deposit was, save that it was an artificial creation.
Lunar Cry destroyed the civilization on Centra then how come It only sank a city into ocean without destroying the city into ashes.
You can see the structure buildings are almost intact.
I rather like to think that it was an island than only a city.
NO,because You often tell [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] about people that you dont like, you only look the negative sides about someone, using those negative sides on your purposes against them whenever you have a chance.Quote:
I'm worse? Because I demand evidence to support speculation? Because I demand rational deduction? Could you explain how I'm worse?
Want me to continue?
Glad to hear that.Quote:
Only when I have the evidence to support it, or parsimony to favor it.
Your trick accepted.Quote:
Here's the trick. I wasn't demanding. I wasn't even actually asking to be apologized to, because to be frank, it doesn't matter to me. It does, however, seem to matter to the Moderators, who tend to close threads once flames are kindled. It was with the intent of keeping the discussion going that I suggested that jammi try and unsay what he had said.
Not to you but to me.Quote:
I haven't actually been sarcastic this entire exchange.
You tell me!Quote:
Pray tell, how is asking you to explain your reasoning 'demanding'?
Of course your explanation is better than mine about yours.Quote:
And I'm telling you have not explained it. You have said "Well, it could also be this", but have given no explanation as to why it could be either example, or why either of those is a superior explanation to the ones I offered.
I show you why it can be alterable.
Yours YDDD
Mine about yours YYDD
Without destroying the city?Quote:
Lunar Cry impacts the ground. Given sufficient force, it could cause an earthquake, loosening a seaside structure and causing it to fall into the sea, if, indeed, the cry is the cause.
Lunar Cry should destroy that city into ruins if that the case but you can see many buildings in DSRF are almost intact.
"turn a city to ash" that is only a metaphora.Quote:
Though, I have no idea why you would think an impactor would necessarily turn a city to ash, especially since it left several ruins mostly intact, and since when we saw it during the course of the game, there was nothing involved but repeated Kinetic Energy transfers.
Well, I certainly want you to provide evidence of these accusations. While I admit that I don't operate with kid gloves, Ad Homming is not my style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
Glad that you understand it.Quote:
Glad to hear that.
Shall we move on, then?Quote:
Your trick accepted.
I think we may have hit a language barrier here, but Sarcasm is entirely the domain of the one being sarcastic, since it is the art of saying something one obviously does not mean, usually with an obvious verbal or colloquial clue.Quote:
Not to you but to me.
Except you're the one who was calling what I was doing 'demanding', so if anyone could tell how it is so, it should be you.Quote:
You tell me!
No, that's an example of a way in which it can be alterred. Not a reason why it should be. I can also give a reason why it should not. Being that it only has two "day" digits, it can only count up to 99 out of 365 days, or 9 out of 365 in the case of YYYD, which only has one. YDDD can only count to a total of 10 years (beginning from year 0 and ticking over to 1 on day 366, or using 0 to indicate year 10 if starting with year 1), but can very easily be adusted to count additional years by adding a new digit to the left. Slightly clonky, but usable without too much issue, and it guarantees no duplicate dating.Quote:
Of course your explanation is better than mine about yours.
I show you why it can be alterable.
Yours YDDD
Mine about yours YYDD
Meanwhile, your method MDDY has two issues about numbering. The first is that with only one month digit, you cannot express all months in the year. The second it also cannot count past 10 years, and adjustments for these (involving adding additional digits to either M or Y) will result in duplicate entries, for example, 10216 could either be Jan 2nd, year 16, or Oct 21st, year 6.
Not if the Cry does not impact the city itself, but causes the shockwaves which cause a cleavage of a rock plane, and a loosening of the city/structure.Quote:
Without destroying the city?
Lunar Cry should destroy that city into ruins if that the case but you can see many buildings in DSRF are almost intact.
Noted, but you should probably try and avoid metaphor when trying to describe a mechanism.Quote:
"turn a city to ash" that is only a metaphora.Quote:
Though, I have no idea why you would think an impactor would necessarily turn a city to ash, especially since it left several ruins mostly intact, and since when we saw it during the course of the game, there was nothing involved but repeated Kinetic Energy transfers.
Does Evol sound like Viator with slightly better English language skills?
Just a thought.
Come on you can provide it for yourself without my help.Quote:
Well, I certainly want you to provide evidence of these accusations. While I admit that I don't operate with kid gloves, Ad Homming is not my style.
But dont you always think that your explanation is better than anyone else.Quote:
Glad that you understand it
Not until you say sorry to the person you have insulted.Quote:
Shall we move on, then?
Oh let me guess, they dont deserve it, or because you are too arrogant or too pride to yourself until you cant say sorry.
Forget it.Quote:
I think we may have hit a language barrier here, but Sarcasm is entirely the domain of the one being sarcastic, since it is the art of saying something one obviously does not mean, usually with an obvious verbal or colloquial clue.
So you never felt that you are demanding person.Quote:
Except you're the one who was calling what I was doing 'demanding', so if anyone could tell how it is so, it should be you.
Dont get me wrong, i agree with your idea.Quote:
No, that's an example of a way in which it can be alterred. Not a reason why it should be. I can also give a reason why it should not. Being that it only has two "day" digits, it can only count up to 99 out of 365 days, or 9 out of 365 in the case of YYYD, which only has one. YDDD can only count to a total of 10 years (beginning from year 0 and ticking over to 1 on day 366, or using 0 to indicate year 10 if starting with year 1), but can very easily be adusted to count additional years by adding a new digit to the left. Slightly clonky, but usable without too much issue, and it guarantees no duplicate dating.
Meanwhile, your method MDDY has two issues about numbering. The first is that with only one month digit, you cannot express all months in the year. The second it also cannot count past 10 years, and adjustments for these (involving adding additional digits to either M or Y) will result in duplicate entries, for example, 10216 could either be Jan 2nd, year 16, or Oct 21st, year 6.
There's still oxygen in the bottom of DSRF.Quote:
Not if the Cry does not impact the city itself, but causes the shockwaves which cause a cleavage of a rock plane, and a loosening of the city/structure.
How can oxygen still remain in the ocean floor for a a long time?
I thought you can understand it.Quote:
Noted, but you should probably try and avoid metaphor when trying to describe a mechanism.
To G SpOtZ = I have no idea but Evol should be stop fighting with Ryushikaze before the MODS could see this thread, otherwise it will be lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by G SpOtZ
To Evol = as Ryushikaze said...
You have not explain anything why you would stated to Ryushikaze at all. If you think Ryushikaze is bad, then you no diffent from Ryushikaze so stop bick'in eachother!Quote:
you're the one who was calling what I was doing 'demanding', so if anyone could tell how it is so, it should be you.
I am tired on EoFF as well.
I am tired in EoFF as well
Are you tired of Eoff as WELL?
That sounds slightly familiar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
It is not the burden of the defense to do the work of the prosecution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
No.Quote:
But dont you always think that your explanation is better than anyone else.
Red herring. What I have said to others is immaterial to this discussion. This is also an Ad Hominem. Izzat some hypocrisy I smell?Quote:
Not until you say sorry to the person you have insulted.
Oh let me guess, they dont deserve it, or because you are too arrogant or too pride to yourself until you cant say sorry.
And to be frank, it really gets me that you want me to apologize to the 'person I insulted' when they were the one engaged in flaming me.
Forget what? Seriously, though, since you now know I was not being sarcastic, what do you think I was being?Quote:
Forget it.
Well now, I can't even decided which fallacies this is. I can be demanding without having been demanding during this exchange. It's not a black/white situation.Quote:
So you never felt that you are demanding person.
Then why the earlier objections to it?Quote:
Dont get me wrong, i agree with your idea.
I'm assuming you mean free air, since there is actually a wealth of oxygen at the ocean floor, and in that case, the answer is, there isn't. For any period of time.Quote:
There's still oxygen in the bottom of DSRF.
How can oxygen still remain in the ocean floor for a a long time?
UNLESS, of course, the Deep Sea Deposit has been sealed and air pumped in from above.
Still, mechanistic descriptions are generally extremely literal. Using a metaphor in such a description (though how you use it as such escapes me) is counterproductive.Quote:
I thought you can understand it.
You just provide it yourself by saying those wordsQuote:
It is not the burden of the defense to do the work of the prosecution.
I dont care.Quote:
what do you think I was being?
You are the first person flaming on others.Quote:
Red herring. What I have said to others is immaterial to this discussion. This is also an Ad Hominem. Izzat some hypocrisy I smell?
And to be frank, it really gets me that you want me to apologize to the 'person I insulted' when they were the one engaged in flaming me.
See what i mean, you always look at negative sides of people.
oh yeah?Quote:
I can be demanding without having been demanding during this exchange
Like i said i only speak my opinion about your idea.Quote:
Then why the earlier objections to it?
If you think that as an objection, have it your way
No, no I have not. The above is in no way evidence of resorting to ad hom's as opposed to arguing a point. It is evidence of me not falling for your attempt to shift the burden of proof of your claim onto me, nothing more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
You don't care what you were accusing me of being? That's odd.Quote:
I dont care.
By what definition of flaming is this true?Quote:
You are the first person flaming on others.
No. No I do not. But for someone getting on my case for 'looking on the negative sides of people', you are engaged in a lot of it yourself.Quote:
See what i mean, you always look at negative sides of people.
Yes.Quote:
oh yeah?
An opinion is a purely subjective statement of personal preference, IE- "Pie is tasty", or "I hate green".Quote:
Like i said i only speak my opinion about your idea.
If you think that as an objection, have it your way
An objection to something can be related to, or the cause of an opinion, but is not actually one, and is based on the thing being objected to, IE- "The wallpaper looks like pea soup" or "The "Intelligent Design" theory is neither intelligent, nor a design".
Your original statement of "Your idea is inconsistent,it could also mean YYDD or YYYD." Does not read as opinion, but as objection. You do not seem to speak English as a first language, so the error is understandable, but take my word on it that this is not an expression of opinion in English.
The moment when you write "It is not the burden of the defense to do the work of the prosecution." You knew that i was right about you.Quote:
No, no I have not. The above is in no way evidence of resorting to ad hom's as opposed to arguing a point. It is evidence of me not falling for your attempt to shift the burden of proof of your claim onto me, nothing more.
So i wont bother to explain something that we both know.
LiarQuote:
No. No I do not.
No, I'm just not willing to do the work for other people, especially someone who is in the middle of what is rapidly turning out to be nothing more than a long winded ad hominem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol
And now who's always looking on the negative side of people? Especially after I find this in my inbox.Quote:
LiarQuote:
No. No I do not.
Well, good sir, sayonara, and concession accepted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evol