Fake Love

[Roto13]

Yet science cannot explain the karma or the understanding of a religion. So who is to say it can explain love? No one.

Religion and karma aren't things. They're ideas. A feeling is a thing, or, more specifically, an occurrence. You can't compare them at all.

Yet a religion is a feeling of belonging and understanding of why we are on this planet.

No. Religion is a system of rules and ethical beliefs.

And love, free will and determinisum could be a result of one of those things.

What are you even talking about?

Religion could be real or it couldn't.

No, religion is real because it's a system of beliefs (or, rather, many different systems of beliefs) that people really have.

[Yamaneko]

Religion could be real or it couldn't.

What?

Yamaneko: Yet you could argue you could step out into the road of knowladge in your mind and find an explainasion of it. If you step out into the road you could turn out in the hospital. theres a difference.

You can find countless studies on human emotions based on observable evidence and experimentation. You're saying, "believe me just for the hell of it!". I'm saying, "believe in a process by which we have come to understand our world more completely in the last four hundred years than in all previous times before put together". The evidence is there. If you want to continue living in your world of magic and pixie dust, I really don't want to waste my time. If, however, you want to bring some solid reasoning to the table, I'll be more than willing to sit down and discuss.

[Quindiana Jones]

Not-enforcing your beliefs does not mean that you think all beliefs are equal. The fact that you don't agree with everything I'm saying means that you think your beliefs are better than my beliefs on the subject of beliefs. It's not a bad thing, it just is.

not really. Or i would say 'This is how you should believe, not this'. My views are my views, your views are your views, everyone has an equal right to express them and everyone has an equal right to defend them.

Thinking people have equal right to their different beliefs and thinking that all beliefs are equal are two completely different things. Perhaps I misunderstood you in the first place.

[Yamaneko]

Not that it belongs in this discussion, but equality does not exist and we should not delude ourselves into thinking it does. We preach equality and fairness in our society for pragmatic reasons. Some equality is more warranted than other types, but believing everyone is on equal ground as a basis of argumentation can be dangerous.

[I Am Stoner]

No. Religion is a system of rules and ethical beliefs.

You kinda just confermed what i was saying.

What are you even talking about?

I am on about a belief system. That may or may not justify human endevor on this earth. Christians believe that god created love, right? So therefore if you can provide apsolute evidance that all humans on the world can agree with i'll shut my mouth.

No, religion is real because it's a system of beliefs (or, rather, many different systems of beliefs) that people really have.

Fair enough dude, you got me there. Yet i just dont understand how you can dictate to others that your views are right and not thiers, thats all.

[Avarice-ness]

There's a difference between love and lust.

Some people distinguish the lust as a form of love or there are people who literally fall in love too fast.

I believe the ability to recognize true love comes with maturity or even just age of a person. I mean there are still 35 year old men and women who will fall in love to fast.

I don't believe it's fake though, because they feel that it is real, so regardless of your take on it, it's still real love to them, even if it comes faster or slower than others.

No one person loves the same way another person loves.

[Madame Adequate]

The problem I have is when love is relegated to being 'just' an emotion. It's not that I disagree - I don't think anything mystical or inexplicable is going on. Rather, it's the 'just'. Even if not explicitly stated, the attitude of people like Roto and Yams comes across to be a deliberate attempt to denigrate love. That will seem inevitable in the eyes of those who think it is magical or mystical, because explaining it is reducing it. But it also looks like it to me, the best example being,

Love is not special. You're not special. Your significant other is not special.

The problem rests on what special means. Does it mean unique? Mystical? Divine? Then no, it's not and we're not. Amazing? Overwhelming? Inexpressable? Then yes, love is and we are.

I think we are special. I see something profoundly, ineffably special and amazing that nothing more than a pattern of matter and energy can experience things as I experience them.

My two gil.

[Big D]

I like how this thread is supposed to be about snarking at dopey juveniles who think they're in love, but it's degenerated into a pissing contest about semantics, definitions, and the limits of knowledge.

[Roto13]

I am on about a belief system. That may or may not justify human endevor on this earth. Christians believe that god created love, right? So therefore if you can provide apsolute evidance that all humans on the world can agree with i'll shut my mouth.

Christians believe that god created everything. If he did, then he created love as a biological force, and not magic, because we know what love is because it's been studied. I don't think there's anything that everyone in the world will be convinced of. There are still people who think the earth is flat. Would you say they're as right as the people with actual brains who know it's not?

Fair enough dude, you got me there. Yet i just dont understand how you can dictate to others that your views are right and not thiers, thats all.

It's easy when you have science and all they have are happy thoughts.

[I Am Stoner]

There are still people who think the earth is flat. Would you say they're as right as the people with actual brains who know it's not?

That doesnt matter. All that matters is that thier view is heard. Even if people think its a load of old bollocks, having your opinion heard is the whole point of freedom of speach. And I never said anything about magic in religion. Im just standing up for others opoinions.

[~*~Celes~*~]

okay...this isn't eoeo...why are you even ARGUING? Everyone has their own opinions...let's just accept that and move on.

Thank you

[Roto13]

There are still people who think the earth is flat. Would you say they're as right as the people with actual brains who know it's not?

That doesnt matter. All that matters is that thier view is heard. Even if people think its a load of old bollocks, having your opinion heard is the whole point of freedom of speach. And I never said anything about magic in religion. Im just standing up for others opoinions.

And people get to be right and wrong. You're acting like everyone is equally qualified and informed to know what something is, and that's just not true.

[I Am Stoner]

There are still people who think the earth is flat. Would you say they're as right as the people with actual brains who know it's not?

That doesnt matter. All that matters is that thier view is heard. Even if people think its a load of old bollocks, having your opinion heard is the whole point of freedom of speach. And I never said anything about magic in religion. Im just standing up for others opoinions.

And people get to be right and wrong.

Maybe in your eyes, not in mine.


Anyway, im gonna stop posting in this thread. Coz i have expressed my views.

[Fuzakeru]

I wonder why it is that society teaches children that love is such a magical thing when it seems most of us as adults are less inclinded to think so...

[Roto13]

There are still people who think the earth is flat. Would you say they're as right as the people with actual brains who know it's not?

That doesnt matter. All that matters is that thier view is heard. Even if people think its a load of old bollocks, having your opinion heard is the whole point of freedom of speach. And I never said anything about magic in religion. Im just standing up for others opoinions.

And people get to be right and wrong.

Maybe in your eyes, not in mine.

Well that's just dumb. Not everything is a matter of opinion. Some things are actual facts.