Good comeback. Here is mine.
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now what bitch.
It's difficult for me to laugh at Raistlin, because I'd have to laugh at the others too which would make me a complete dick.
Hey, medicine was invented in the last 500 years right? If you want to shove antibiotics in you for every illness out there, go ahead.
Cant fill a cup thats full.
The only relevant part is me defeating Shlup. Everything else is insignificant.
Anyway, back ON-TOPIC, there was an article in New Scientist about the 10^23 event and homeopathy in general. There's also been no reported negative effects of the mass-overdose. The "true believers" in the comments struggling to justify their water-drugs in the face of all evidence are somewhat amusing.
EDIT:I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Did you miss the part where it's already common knowledge that there are plenty of herbs and natural remedies that actually have a demonstrable effect? Water is not one of them, which is quite literally what any 10+C homeopathic "remedy" is.Originally Posted by Croyle
How about actually properly reading up on homeopathy further than skim-reading on the subject before making your claims. Come back in a year.
The only relevant part is me defeating Shlup. Everything else is insignificant.
Anyway, back ON-TOPIC, there was an article in New Scientist about the 10^23 event and homeopathy in general. There's also been no reported negative effects of the mass-overdose. The "true believers" in the comments struggling to justify their water-drugs in the face of all evidence are somewhat amusing.
EDIT:I have no idea what point you are trying to make here. Did you miss the part where it's already common knowledge that there are plenty of herbs and natural remedies that actually have a demonstrable effect? Water is not one of them, which is quite literally what any 10+C homeopathic "remedy" is.
Why don't you teach us? Or get your dad to register to teach us
What am I misunderstanding? Does homeopathy not include the premise that water has memory and that continuous dilution of a substance makes it more potent? I've also cited actual research which concludes homeopathy is no more effective than placebos, so please, feel free to cite anything to the contrary.
Teach yourself, while your at it you could also learn some humility.Why don't you teach us? Or get your dad to register to teach us
Homeopathy includes the premise that there has to be a connection between the patient and the remedy. The fact that thousands of these people took random remedies while not having any affiliation with it defeats the purpose, and doing it once is even more laughable, maybe they should do it for a couple of days and see what it does.
Anyway, im not going to post anymore, because I already said I wasn't going to defend it.
That is why I said you should read more on it (internet skim-reading does not count).
Ciao
If your problem is pain, then anything you can do to relieve your pain is a good thing (unless the pain is a reflection of a more serious underlying problem). But there are things that can't be cured by placebo. People are using homeopathy as a vaccine for malaria. This is almost certainly resulting in people getting sick and dying. Chiropractic is OK, but using it to treat allergies? That's just stupid, when we have real medicine that can easily treat it.
The problem with alternative medicine isn't the people using it to help their vague aches and pains, it's the people using it to treat their cancer and diabetes. How can any decent person call this anything less than a travesty? The power of your mind can help you in a lot of ways, but it can't cure everything. We have a germ theory of disease nowadays, where sicknesses aren't caused by magical forces or misalignments in people's auras or negative thoughts, they're caused by organisms in your body or genetic defects or chemical inbalances. The cure for disease isn't wishful thinking, voodoo, or a magical, unexplained connection between patient and treatment. The cure is to kill the germs and fix the chemicals. Welcome to the 1800's.
Some of these alternative medicines have been used for hundreds or thousands of years, which is partly why our life expectancy was so low for so long. Go play with the slider and enjoy what modern medicine has done for us. I especially like the immense drop in infant mortality.
Mainstream science isn't discounting alternative medicine. The demonization of western medicine is a small step away from conspiracy theory. Herbs and natural remedies that are shown to work via testing are absorbed into the mainstream. (e.g. asprin) If homeopathy worked, why wouldn't scientists and doctors eagerly adopt it? Do you think doctors are complete morons, or that they want their patients to suffer needlessly? Do you think a single guy a couple hundred years ago discovered "water memory", something that completely destroys most of modern chemistry and physics, and that scientists have been spitefully ignoring it ever since? Revolutions in science happen all the time. Once they're shown by evidence to be true, people adopt the new ideas. Germ theory of disease was itself one of these revolutions, completely overthrowing what came before it. There's no reason the same wouldn't happen for homeopathy if it worked. Yes medicine is abused and misused sometimes, yes our understanding is imperfect, yes there's a whole lot left in the world to discover, but that's no reason to go running in the direction of aromatherapy and crystal power and magical water potions. Modern medicine works amazingly well, we know very well how and why it works, and it's by far the best we've got.
Homeopathy and acupuncture and other alternative treatments have been thoroughly studied and tested. The studies say they are no more effective than placebo. The people using these treatments can't offer any explanation of how or why they work. The problem isn't people ignoring alternative medicine, the problem is alternative medicine practitioners ignoring reality.
Summary: If you're sick and don't have a death wish, please go see a real doctor.
Says he who claims to know better than all of modern science.
A-smurfing-men.If your problem is pain, then anything you can do to relieve your pain is a good thing (unless the pain is a reflection of a more serious underlying problem). But there are things that can't be cured by placebo. People are using homeopathy as a vaccine for malaria. This is almost certainly resulting in people getting sick and dying. Chiropractic is OK, but using it to treat allergies? That's just stupid, when we have real medicine that can easily treat it.
The problem with alternative medicine isn't the people using it to help their vague aches and pains, it's the people using it to treat their cancer and diabetes. How can any decent person call this anything less than a travesty? The power of your mind can help you in a lot of ways, but it can't cure everything. We have a germ theory of disease nowadays, where sicknesses aren't caused by magical forces or misalignments in people's auras or negative thoughts, they're caused by organisms in your body or genetic defects or chemical inbalances. The cure for disease isn't wishful thinking, voodoo, or a magical, unexplained connection between patient and treatment. The cure is to kill the germs and fix the chemicals. Welcome to the 1800's.
Some of these alternative medicines have been used for hundreds or thousands of years, which is partly why our life expectancy was so low for so long. Go play with the slider and enjoy what modern medicine has done for us. I especially like the immense drop in infant mortality.
Mainstream science isn't discounting alternative medicine. The demonization of western medicine is a small step away from conspiracy theory. Herbs and natural remedies that are shown to work via testing are absorbed into the mainstream. (e.g. asprin) If homeopathy worked, why wouldn't scientists and doctors eagerly adopt it? Do you think doctors are complete morons, or that they want their patients to suffer needlessly? Do you think a single guy a couple hundred years ago discovered "water memory", something that completely destroys most of modern chemistry and physics, and that scientists have been spitefully ignoring it ever since? Revolutions in science happen all the time. Once they're shown by evidence to be true, people adopt the new ideas. Germ theory of disease was itself one of these revolutions, completely overthrowing what came before it. There's no reason the same wouldn't happen for homeopathy if it worked. Yes medicine is abused and misused sometimes, yes our understanding is imperfect, yes there's a whole lot left in the world to discover, but that's no reason to go running in the direction of aromatherapy and crystal power and magical water potions. Modern medicine works amazingly well, we know very well how and why it works, and it's by far the best we've got.
Homeopathy and acupuncture and other alternative treatments have been thoroughly studied and tested. The studies say they are no more effective than placebo. The people using these treatments can't offer any explanation of how or why they work. The problem isn't people ignoring alternative medicine, the problem is alternative medicine practitioners ignoring reality.
Summary: If you're sick and don't have a death wish, please go see a real doctor.
Says he who claims to know better than all of modern science.
Bahahahahahahaha. A connection between the patient and the remedy? That has got to be the most asinine premise ever. If a treatment works, it will work pretty much without regard to your feelings about the treatment.Homeopathy includes the premise that there has to be a connection between the patient and the remedy. The fact that thousands of these people took random remedies while not having any affiliation with it defeats the purpose, and doing it once is even more laughable, maybe they should do it for a couple of days and see what it does.
Anyway, im not going to post anymore, because I already said I wasn't going to defend it.
That is why I said you should read more on it (internet skim-reading does not count).
Ciao
This is a piss poor argument. All you have said in this thread is 'my daddy said so so it must be true!' If you are so certain homeopathy is valid, why can't you put up any arguments? Why can't you give a short summary of why it is effective? Know why? Because you don't know what the smurf you are talking about. That's why.
When I taught myself, I learned that homeopathy involves diluting one particular agent of illness until it is so dilute that it creates some sort of immunity or cure for whatever it was supposed to cause to begin with. If I have to be humble to that sort of nonsense, I'll just stay stuck up.Teach yourself, while your at it you could also learn some humility.
I mean, you're the one that isn't condescending to say what you know, after all.
Unne wins the thread, as he generally does where religion/superstition is concerned.
Here's a write-up of the 10:23 event by one of the attendees. There were some homeopaths who showed up to make excuses.
I've read some other excuses as well. My favorite is that homeopathy is based on dilution, so the more you take the less potent the "remedy" is.
Wow, I'm amazed how many people are actually defending this. I can understand if you don't understand what homeopathy is (and assume it's just using herbs), but people who actually know what it is defending it is unbelievable.
1. Take 5 black and 95 white marbles and put them in a jar.
2. At random split the marbles into 5 sets of 20 and put them in new jars.
3. At 80 white marbles to each jar of 20 so that the total is 100 again.
4. For every jar repeat step 2.
5. Do this dozens to hundreds of times.
Once you've done this sufficiently to have 100 jars of 100 marbles when you only started with 5 black marbles... how is it possible for each of the 100 final jars to still have a black marble?
This is the principle of homeopathy. You dilute something repeatedly in water. At some point you literally will have diluted it so many times that not even a single molecule of the original "active" substance can be present in the jar of water. The argument that says that the more diluted it is, the more likely it is to work is like saying the more times you run the marble experiment, the more likely a black marble will appear in each jar. More likely at 1/1,000,000 than 1/100. Homeopathy is bunk.
So basically you're saying water has memory of medicinal stuff that's been in it. However, it lacks memory for every contaminant it's run over in its existence, right? If homeopathy works then water treatment plants cannot.
Owned. God steals the stage.
Homeopathy is ridiculous imo, placebo effect or not.
By the way has it come to anyones attention that Yearg just posted outside EoEO? o.O
Because I'm one hell of a butler.
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