Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Jiro]

I like where the season ended. I feel like there have been some resolutions. If they had ended with an ass-pull, I would be sitting here going "smurf me how many seconds until the next season, I can't wait." Instead, I am pleasantly looking forward to what's on the horizons without burning myself out. It was a solid ending, one that lays the foundation for more excitement. I do love the sheer amount of spoilers I've seen because of people's disappointment though. People lose their trout "oh no we're being stooged" and suddenly I don't need to watch 12 months to know all about that character​.

[Del Murder]

Looking forward to next season:

• Arya's adventures in Braavos.
• Tyrion & Varys adventures in wherever the hell they are going.
• What the hell Stannis is up to at the Wall.
• Cersei making a royal muckup of King's Landing without Tywin, Tyrion, or Varys there to keep her reigned in.

King's Landing, and by extension Westeros, just lost it's three most sensible people in one episode. I hope that has dire consequences.

[The Man]

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[Madame Adequate]

In the book they aren't lovers that have a falling out. She's not getting back at him for scorning her. He does fall in love with her and you might believe she's in love with him because she does all the lovery things, but they don't have lover's quarrels and stuff. She's really just a whore, so when he kills her he's killing the whore that betrayed him. When you murder someone who you were mutually in love with but had a falling out with, I think it's much darker of a murder.

Ah, see, I felt that that's exactly how it was in the show as well - she had no or barely any affection for Tyrion and betrayed him at best because he was selfish enough to want her to be safe.

[Shorty]

In the book they aren't lovers that have a falling out. She's not getting back at him for scorning her. He does fall in love with her and you might believe she's in love with him because she does all the lovery things, but they don't have lover's quarrels and stuff. She's really just a whore, so when he kills her he's killing the whore that betrayed him. When you murder someone who you were mutually in love with but had a falling out with, I think it's much darker of a murder.

Ah, see, I felt that that's exactly how it was in the show as well - she had no or barely any affection for Tyrion and betrayed him at best because he was selfish enough to want her to be safe.

I feel quite differently! Go back and watch the scenes with the two of them, when she calls him her lion and they tell each other that they belong to one another and when they spend time together in general. There is one part in particular, I think, after Tyrion's face was mangled at Blackwater, I think, when she is holding his head in her hands and looking at him telling him something very firmly about how he is hers and she is his or something and he just starts crying and they embrace. She would get upset when he didn't spend time with her, got jealous about him and Sansa. They felt like they were in an actual relationship to me.

[Mirage]

Me too. However, she might have really started to hate him after he tried to get her away, so who knows maybe her feelings of love disappeared and she went back to just whoring.

[Shaibana]

Looking forward to next season:

• Cersei making a royal muckup of King's Landing without Tywin, Tyrion, or Varys there to keep her reigned in.

ooeh indeed, with Tywin gone there is nobody to keep Cersei's leashe.
im pretty sure she will scare the Tyrells away :o
and the marriage to Loras? well.. thats off the table

[Shorty]

Me too. However, she might have really started to hate him after he tried to get her away, so who knows maybe her feelings of love disappeared and she went back to just whoring.

I never thought her betrayal was an act of revenge. I perceived it as self-preservation.

[Psychotic]

I like what they've done with Stannis at the Wall. Both storylines were in danger of being stale. Stannis's kind of petered out after Blackwater and the aftermath, and "yes there are still things that want to attack the Wall" gets repetitive. Merging the two creates whole new levels of intrigue and character interaction. A common criticism of GoT is that it has too many different storylines and only 5 minutes of each gets shown per episode - merging two certainly helps with that.

Also as a character it shows you Stannis's worth. The Night's Watch calls for help and nobody else cares - they even laugh at them - even though the White Walkers are the true threat to the realm, even bigger than Danaerys. Not Stannis. He could've made another attack on King's Landing with his new army but instead he's putting his ambitions to one side to save the realm. A true smurfing King.

[Mirage]

Me too. However, she might have really started to hate him after he tried to get her away, so who knows maybe her feelings of love disappeared and she went back to just whoring.

I never thought her betrayal was an act of revenge. I perceived it as self-preservation.

I dunno. I can't say for sure. When I first saw her speak at the trial I think I thought it could be out of self preservation just as much as it was revenge, or a combination of both. It's just in this final episode that I started thinking she might have been really mad at him for reals.

[Shauna]

Shae called Tywin her Lion. What a bitch.

[Freya]

Also as a character it shows you Stannis's worth. The Night's Watch calls for help and nobody else cares - they even laugh at them - even though the White Walkers are the true threat to the realm, even bigger than Danaerys. Not Stannis. He could've made another attack on King's Landing with his new army but instead he's putting his ambitions to one side to save the realm. A true smurfing King.

"Rather then become king to save the realm, he saves the realm to become king"

[Shorty]

Me too. However, she might have really started to hate him after he tried to get her away, so who knows maybe her feelings of love disappeared and she went back to just whoring.

I never thought her betrayal was an act of revenge. I perceived it as self-preservation.

I dunno. I can't say for sure. When I first saw her speak at the trial I think I thought it could be out of self preservation just as much as it was revenge, or a combination of both. It's just in this final episode that I started thinking she might have been really mad at him for reals.

Shae's a smart girl. She saw the army on the move, and went there in search of someone to protect her or keep her, likely hoping to find some general or lord to dote on her. She was perfectly happy to go from the dude Bronn brought her from to Tyrion without a fuss because she knew who he was and that he was a powerful man in the kingdom, and she played her part well. She made the same transition from Tyrion to Tywin easily enough, and you can hear her calling him "her lion", etc. She was angry at being sent away from King's Landing because I believe she feels the need to be around powerful men who will care for her and make sure she is taken care of. When Tyrion sent her away, she viewed that as a threat to her motives, so she returned to find a better place for herself and when she saw him again as she was in Tywin's bed, she instinctively tried to kill him instead of apologizing or begging for mercy as I think she would have done if she had ever actually loved him.

I suppose that it could be interpreted either way, though. Seems to me like she was trying to climb the ladder. That's how I see it, based on the progression of her character.

[Ayen]

I'm just going to leave these right here...

[Jinx]

Can someone explain to me how Stannis' story is deviating/combining with other things from the book? I can't remember...thanks!