EoFF Fallout Cast

[Psychotic]

I've never understood the love for the NCR. I mean look, in a "The Democrats are trout but I vote for them because the Republicans are even worse" kind of way when you compare them to the Legion then fair enough, but active love for them? What. Why? They're a bit crap. They're boring. The NCR is America 2.0 and it's not as if America 1.0 went particularly well in the Fallout universe is it? House and independent both are better than NCR imho. Caesar's Legion might've been too if they'd had enough development time and if they'd made Caesar more like Joshua god damn Graham.

[Laddy]

House is a tyrant. Independent Vegas is too unstable. Caesar's a prick. There.

[Psychotic]

I mean look, in a "The Democrats are trout but I vote for them because the Republicans are even worse" kind of way when you compare them to the Legion then fair enough, but active love for them? What. Why?

Try again. I want to know why the NCR are good, not why the others are trout.

Also, House is no less of a tyrant than the corrupt-as-smurf NCR, and independent Vegas is not unstable if you don't smurf up and take out the undesirables like the Fiends and Powder Gangers.

[Shorty]

The NCR is America 2.0

There's your reason.

AMERICA smurf YEAH

[Rantz]

I fight for the White Glove Society.

[Laddy]

NCR has resources, a vision, and logistics. NCR supports equality of the sexes Caesar does not, has the power and resources Independent Vegas does not (in addition to an actual established government), and Mr. House has little will to assist those outside The Strip.

[Psychotic]

Real life America is bad enough, Fallout America is a whole 'nother level of awful though.

Caesar does actually value men and women equally, he just believes they have different roles. He thinks the human race needs repopulating and only women can do this, and that's why only men can fight. Makes sense in a way. Equality is nice in a perfect society but it aint that.

I don't know what the hell game you played but Independent Vegas has huge amounts of power - the Upgraded Securitrons. That's how the battle of the Hoover Dam was won - because they were better than the NCR and Legion by a long way.

Also no, and I don't get why House not wanting to take over all of America like the NCR is a bad thing.

Come on Laddy you're just throwing crap at the sides that aren't the NCR instead of applying logic and reasoning to the situation. WHAT WOULD JOSH SAWYER THINK

Also anyone that thinks the NCR are good should play Return to Sender. Or, you know, read this. HURRAY FOR THE GENOCIDAL MASSACRE OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN GO NCR

And don't give me the "uhhh legion did worse at nipton!" spiel because I don't care. You should justify why the NCR are good as opposed to why the Legion are bad but nobody seems able to do that. Best of a bad bunch doesn't cut it. You speak to the neutral people of the Mojave, the actual desert folk. They don't want the smurfing NCR there and for good reason. They're murdering scum.

[Laddy]

He would think that a black-and-white answer to this question would miss the point of the game's message

[Psychotic]

Well it's the answer you keep giving, sunshine.

NCR are smurfing war criminals. And you know what? That's why they're worse than the Legion. The Legion aren't self-righteous moralists who claim to be some enlightened super society. They're not hypocrites.

[Quindiana Jones]

Since I am the only hyper-competent person in the Fallout universe, and Independent playstyle would most likely save the entire world, repopulate the Earth, remove all harmful radiation, provide clean drinking water free to all and enact global peace.

And then next week I might go shopping, or something.

[Laddy]

Nope, sorry. NCR, as bad as they are, don't engage in genocide and slavery as a policy.

[Shorty]

It's true that the NCR are fighting Caesar for their own personal gain - they want to be the ones in power and Caesar is creeping up on that and throwing everything into whack. But the NCR also represents the miniscule speck of order that is established in the chaos that is New Vegas and the Mojave Desert. It's not a reign of tyrrany, it's them trying to save a bit of humanity that goes with organized government in the aftermath of nuclear war. In doing so, they make the citizen's lives better.

[Psychotic]

NCR, as bad as they are

and that's all I wanted!

ps: bitter springs was totally genocide.

Edit: They make the citizen's lives better by subjecting them to endless wars and campaigns? The NCR is stretched to breaking point domestically because of their jaunt into the Mojave, the people are suffering while the government fights in some far off desert... heh hello Iraq war allegory And as for making the people's lives better... the people don't smurfing want the NCR there. Why do you think they all resist the NCR? The Khans, The Kings, The Followers of the Apocalypse, The Brotherhood of Steel, The Families... they all want the NCR to piss off and for good reason. You talk to random civilians in Goodsprings, Primm or Freeside and they'll tell you they don't want that trout.

[Quindiana Jones]

The entire premise of New Vegas was pretty much that the NCR are not a bastion of order, desperately seeking to restore order to these poor wastes. They are simply an expanding empire that sometimes may or may not improve the lives of the people they conquer.

[Laddy]

Yes, but not a regular occurence either