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    Quote Originally Posted by Shauna View Post
    People enjoy shipping. It's prevalent all over fandom. A lot of people are only in it for the ships.

    Sometimes it makes no sense, other times it is backed by canon. Fans probably enjoy the idea of Balthier/Ashe, because they look good together or maybe there was a feeling they got while playing the game.

    Ship and let ship, I say.
    That's the thing. I have got absolutely nothing against shipping. It's just the fact that I see no evidence in the game even hinting toward it. Unless them both being very attractive is a hint...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shauna View Post
    People enjoy shipping. It's prevalent all over fandom. A lot of people are only in it for the ships.
    I think this hits the nail on the head. Balthier is the most popular FFXII male and Ashe is the most popular FFXII female; I don't think it involves anything more complicated than that. People like making up relationships for fictional characters, even when there's nothing in the story to support it, just because they like the idea in their imagination. This phenomenon is far from limited to Balthier and Ashe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn View Post
    Unless them both being very attractive is a hint...
    Yep. Some people ship solely on the "Wow these two are hot. It'd be awesome if they were hot together."

    Just the way it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shauna View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The White Wizard of Fynn View Post
    Unless them both being very attractive is a hint...
    Yep. Some people ship solely on the "Wow these two are hot. It'd be awesome if they were hot together."

    Just the way it goes.
    Kind of like...

    RAISTLIN X TIKA!!!!!!!!!

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    Pretty much everything has been said and I agree with.

    I think the pairing that got even close to a romantic pairing is Vaan and Penelo. And even then, in XII, it was clearly more like a childhood friendship going off exploring rather than a romantic thing. It's only in XII:RW that there's real hints of romance, and even then it's down to interpretation.

    I quite like how XII handled relationships actually. It was very mature.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychokitty View Post
    Kind of like...

    RAISTLIN X TIKA!!!!!!!!!
    No.

    Just... no.

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    Princess/ Rouge cliche couple. That's why.

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    Women do love the colour rouge, I agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Formalhaut View Post
    Pretty much everything has been said and I agree with.

    I think the pairing that got even close to a romantic pairing is Vaan and Penelo. And even then, in XII, it was clearly more like a childhood friendship going off exploring rather than a romantic thing. It's only in XII:RW that there's real hints of romance, and even then it's down to interpretation.

    I quite like how XII handled relationships actually. It was very mature.
    Vaan and Penelo actually get together in the sequel, so I think it was more than hints.
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    Jinx you are absolutely smurfing insane. Never change.

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    Further supported in Tactics A2, where they're basically the new Balthier and Fran

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    I think it's just a ship. People ship the most random people sometimes. Sometimes those ships make huge waves. I never get it though. I never saw those two romantically involved at all!

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    You will never make me stop shipping VincentxYuffie
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    Jinx you are absolutely smurfing insane. Never change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aulayna View Post
    Women do love the colour rouge, I agree.
    I meant rogue. Typo.

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    If you want to, there are many little things that you can read into. Ashe and Balthier are among the only characters who interact privately about personal discussions (Balthier revealing that his father is Doctor Cid at Phon shore, for instance). In the background of some scenes when either Reddas or Al-Cid flirt with Ashe, you can see Balthier reacting with grimaces and annoyed looks, which some people might interpret as jealousy. Additionally, Ashe is the one shown to have the most emotional reaction when Balthier stays behind to save Fran. Balthier returning Ashe's wedding ring and Ashe crying at the reveal that Balthier is still alive also gets pointed out.

    Aside from the canonical pairing of Vaan and Penelo, the Ashe/Balthier has more "evidence" than most other pairings, but at best it's a subplot, and never a fully-realized one. They bicker in a way vaguely reminiscent of how children tease each other when they like one another, and there's some pretty good evidence for at least a mutual attraction, but pushing much further than that is strictly in the realm of fan fiction, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouch! View Post
    If you want to, there are many little things that you can read into. Ashe and Balthier are among the only characters who interact privately about personal discussions (Balthier revealing that his father is Doctor Cid at Phon shore, for instance). In the background of some scenes when either Reddas or Al-Cid flirt with Ashe, you can see Balthier reacting with grimaces and annoyed looks, which some people might interpret as jealousy. Additionally, Ashe is the one shown to have the most emotional reaction when Balthier stays behind to save Fran. Balthier returning Ashe's wedding ring and Ashe crying at the reveal that Balthier is still alive also gets pointed out.

    Aside from the canonical pairing of Vaan and Penelo, the Ashe/Balthier has more "evidence" than most other pairings, but at best it's a subplot, and never a fully-realized one. They bicker in a way vaguely reminiscent of how children tease each other when they like one another, and there's some pretty good evidence for at least a mutual attraction, but pushing much further than that is strictly in the realm of fan fiction, I think.
    Vaan and Penelo got together in the sequel.
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    Jinx you are absolutely smurfing insane. Never change.

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