Something I could do to help the time go by faster, whether we end up showing the cards or not, is to make it an 18 hour turn. If someone doesn't respond within 18 hours, we move on. It seems like some are just less enthused to play. If that's the case, they can always say they want to stop or even accuse like proto did and hope they win or something.
I am fine showing the cards if needed. At the rate this game is going, I do think it's probably best to show the cards I had. However, shion is in control of how things go and she opted that they stay hidden. I made my accusation early for a couple reasons, and one is that I wanted to stop playing (and hopefully win) but I made an incorrect accusation and lost my turns. Second, this game will pick up a little bit with one less player out of the game.
Good luck to the rest of you.
Apparently, I have been declared banished.
That would work. While I agree on the 36 hours period for turns in theory, it is slowing down the progress for the game. I'm still interested what other people have to say about the card reveal for disqualified players, but its currently 2-1 in favour of not showing the card.
I've nothing against showing the cards except for the fact I'm supposed to follow the rules. That's why I would like input from other players, because if that's what you guys want, that is what we will do! Nothing against your idea.
FixedOriginally Posted by Mr. Shauna
As I said, I estimate (1) we're halfway through, so another 4 turns seems normal to me. Considering it took 10 days and there's only a week left until may, then the game reaching may is not a stretch.Despite seeing one card on every turn so far, I still feel like I am several turns away from making an accusation. At our current pace I feel that the game could run well into May. We still have the information that at least one of the cards he accused is incorrect.
Mostly I feel it strays from the original game and benefits more players who are behind in the deductions, whereas well-equipped (or hardcore (1)) players already have a good grasp on Proto's cards and gain little. And even then, the amount of info you'd gain is at best <10% of the total information if it were the first turn with no suggestion made ever. Here, you shouldn't be getting much more than 5% info. All in all, it removes a bit of the "fun" of the game, which is to combine accumulated information others may not have. But if people want them to be seen, so be it, it'll be that much more info added to my knowledgeEndless, Would you mind summing up your argument for not showing the cards of the disqualified players? We'll let the other players decide what their thoughts are.
(1) Cluedo at first glance is a pure deduction game; in our configuration, there are exactly 300 trits of information : for each pair (player (including secret file), card) you can have the card here (Y) or not_here (N) or maybe_here (-). At this point of the game, regardless of your hand, you should have at least 154 "N", 4 "Y" and the rest as "-" plus your own cards, which means a little over half of the information is known already (hence my "halfway done"). If you don't, read below.
For the sake of education (hey, it's my job), here are the initial logic rules of Cluedo in our configuration:
1) Each player has exactly three cards
2) Each card is in exactly one place
3) The secret file has exactly one card of each category
And now deductions:
- You know where your own cards are. (duh)
- When a suggestion is made, knowing who refutes gives you information both about who may have the cards, but possibly more importantly, who doesn't.
- When a player shows you a card to refute, you know where it is (and because of 2), you know where it isn't).
- When no one refutes, it tells you where the cards may be: each card is in the secret file or the suggester's hand, and nowhere else.
- When someone accuses and is wrong, you know at least one of the cards is not on the secret file.
Cluedo has more depth if you play it expecting people to deduce well, that way it's not just about getting info, it's also about revealing as little as possible by knowing what cards to call so that it doesn't go farther than you want, and knowing when you should call your own card or not.
And when the game is over, I'll show you a turn by turn evolution of the knowledge I had.
And then there is Death
So far it's looking like I'll be showing the cards. I'll leave another 8 hours for anyone else to chime in.
As far as Lulu's turn.
Lulu suggests:
Attachment 53228Attachment 53229Attachment 53230
Does Ashe have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Lulu.
Ashe is next. Ashe rolls a Attachment 53231 4.
My standard game of cluedo was that when a player accused incorrectly, their cards were distributed to the remaining players. This was mostly to prevent the players whom had been disqualified from having to hang around when the game is over, cause that's no fun.
Based on my current information, I know minimum 14/30 cards, maximum 21/30 that Auron does not have. Endless must be some sort of Cluedo God if he has an idea of his cards at this point. Either that or he knows information on cards related to suggestions 7 and 8 which are the only 2 Auron revealed.
Using pure logic, I know 18/30 he does not have. Using other methods however, I know the three most likely to be his with enough confidence that I'm willing to suggest around them to not waste my guesses on them.
And then there is Death
wtf spot am I in? 17?
Move to Forgotten City-
Suggest Forgotten City, Ashe, Nail Bat
Ashe suggests
Attachment 53232Attachment 53233Attachment 53234
Does Vivi have any of the suggested cards? No.
Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.
Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Ashe.
Vivi is next. Vivi rolls a Attachment 53235 8.
Move to Besaid (through the secret way to forgotten City), suggest Zell with the Pupu Doll.
And then there is Death
Vivi suggests
Attachment 53236Attachment 53237Attachment 53238
Does Cecil have any of the suggested cards? No.
Does Zell have any of the suggested cards? Yes. A card was shown to Vivi.
Cecil is next. Cecil rolls a Attachment 53239 11.
Also, hour and a halfish left if anyone wants to chime in about Agent Proto's cards being shown. So far it is in favor of them being shown.
Well I let it go for even a while longer and it seems in favor of showing the cards.
Here are Agent Proto/Auron's cards
Attachment 53245Attachment 53246Attachment 53247
You are correct! Sorry, I was miscounting the time.
Current positions:
Zell - 126
Tifa - Balamb Garden
Terra - Gold Saucer
Bartz - 113
Lulu - Gold Saucer
Ashe - Forgotten City
Vivi - Besaid
Cecil - Esthar
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Zell is next. Zell rolls a Attachment 53259 5.
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