Revelation of Time Compression

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Don't take what I say as 'answers'... (They don't like that...), but rather as perspectives. Points of view.

[DK]

PAK, i've missed you. :D

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

PAK, i've missed you.

I... I was... 'missed'? (sniff) I've never been missed before...


Diar-er.... Journal Entry: Dear God, Today...

[Zeromus_X]

"Zat is too bad. Let's see... There iz only
only one way to defeat Ultimecia. You must
kill her in ze future. There iz nothing we
can do unless we go to ze future. There is no
normal way to jump to ze future under normal
circumstances. But there iz still a way! It iz
because Sorceress Ultimecia plans to compress
time. Compressing time with magic... Vat good
will it do for ze sorceress to compress time?
There may be many reasons, but it doesn't
matter. Let's just figure out vat Ultimecia is
up to. In order for Ultimecia to exist in this
time, she must take over ze body of a sorceress
from ze present. But ze machine must have a
limit. Ultimecia probably needs to go back
further in time to achieve time compression.
Only Ellone can take her back further into ze
past. Zat iz why she iz desperately seeking
her. We must take advantage of Ellone's power.
There are 2 sorceresses in our time. Sorceress
Rinoa and Sorceress Adel. Of ze two, Adel has
not awakened yet. Once regeneration is
completed, neither Laguna nor I will be safe.
Sorceress Adel is probably in ze process of
awakening inside Lunatic Pandora. Ultimecia
will want to possess Adel, if Adel wakes up.
Zat vill be a horrible event. Adel iz a
horrible sorceress. If Adel's consciousness
wins over Ultimecia, Adel will first destroy
this era. So we must use Sorceress Rinoa to
inherit Ultimecia's powers. Zat's all for ze
mission briefing. First, go to Lunatic Pandora.
Ellone's probably being held captive inside, so
rescue her first. Then kill Sorceress Adel
before ze awakening process is completed. Now,
we're left with Rinoa as ze only sorceress of
this era. Then wait for Ultimecia to possess
Rinoa. When Ultimecia arrives, it's Ellone's
turn. Ellone will send Rinoa back to ze past
with Ultimecia. Ellone will have to send Rinoa
and Ultimecia inside another sorceress she
knows in the past. Edea or Adel... Zat's up to
Ellone. Once Ultimecia iz in ze past, she'll
use ze time compressoin magic. We'll see some
influence here. I don't know vat kind of
influence, but once Ellone feels it, she'll
cut Rinoa and Ultimecia off from ze past. Rinoa
will come back to this world. Ultimecia also
goes back to her own world. Vat would be left
is ze time compressed world. Past, present, and
future will all get mixed together. You will
keep moving through ze time compression toward
ze future. Once you're out of ze time
compression, zat will be Ultimecia's world.
It's all up to you after zat."

There. Time Compression is magic. Time Compression is all past, present, and future, mixed together. There. In the game. From the game's own script. No physics or theories or bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]. That's what Time Compression is. And it took me about a minute to go to the Gamefaqs game script and copy/paste this and add my comment without wasting around fourteen pages with arguing and making other people's heads hurt with bull[img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img].






*sigh*, sorry, I'm done now.

[Viator]

I think I am still exist in this world... I dont know why..? Perhaps...

...Why, exactly, does time being finite mean that there is no future? 'Future' is just a descriptor for a time period 'ahead' of us in our chronologically attuned minds, and all that. In a fated world with finite time, 'future' and 'past' only have meaning depending on one's place in time.

Time is infinite means there's only the NOW time.
This time only flow in one direction; to the future.
Future will never exist until time reached that point.

So, your definiton- emphasis on your- of finite time means that there is no future. The actual definition of 'finite' does not preclude a future. The only thing finite implies is an eventual end.

Future exist after time reached "that" period.

This is not impossible in a finite timespan. The only thing a finite timespan makes impossible is going beyond the start and endpoints.

Sorry but time is not finite.
And you cant prove time is finite.
Time is infinite, because scientists studying string theory agree that time existed before the big bang (creation of our universe) and time will continue.
The explanation about Big Bang doesnt prove time is finite but prove space expand.

You entire argument relies on the false dichotomy of either 'finite time/ no time travel' or 'infinite time/ allowance of time travel'. And it IS a false dichotomy, since you are twisting the definition of finite to suit your purposes.

Or maybe you cant define the meaning of time.

No. When the Big Bang starts, so does time. We are still in the process of the Big Bang, after all.

Big Bang start only to show that space expand not time.
Everything needs time, the process of Big Bang needs time to occur.

Time can exist in something which does not exist? Paradox much?

Paradox.

So you can't explain your supposedly superior postulate, cannot explain its functional difference from the original theory, and in the end, you claim it is unknowable, and in doing so, fall into one of the most bizarre appeals to ignorance I've seen in awhile. You fail on so many levels.

Even you or your god or any god cant explain it.
Only Ultimecia can explain it.

Explain how Black Holes- which are nothing more than dense, supermassive bodies in space- prove an infinite universe. I look forward to your failure of an explanation.

You still need an explanation...?
I recommend you to study more harder.
Big Bang in this universe just like "unlimited abyss".
If you/something get inside Black Hole maybe you will end up in Hyperspace.

In effect, Ultimecia is now safe from the never ending witch hunts because she remains in an everlasting moment of time and everyone else has moved on...

Not really She got defeated by Squall and Co.
So goodbye "everlasting moment".

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

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Not really She got defeated by Squall and Co.
So goodbye "everlasting moment".[/QUOTE]

Hey, main. That was low, that statement was about her possible motive. Not the actually outcome. So it's not goodbye.

I mean, think about it... You just compressed time. It's like Folding space like the Spice Masters in "Dune".

To move without moving. And she had to do it from the future because there were no others after here. She was the final Sorceress and the Ultimate Sorceress.

If you were the last of your kind and had survived through generations of strife... What would you do for your survival, no, your very existence?

I believe, note: I BELIEVE, NOT STATING FACT, that Ultimecia was more than just "evil"... Hell, I've been accused of being "evil"... Golbez was thought to be evil... Terra was thought to be evil... Martin Luther King was thought to be evil... I think Ultimecia wanted (que music) "One Moment In Time".... but why....?

[Viator]

Space = Time : Energy

Energy = Time : Space

Time = Space X Energy

Total of Time is bigger than Space and Energy.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

Space = Time : Energy

Energy = Time : Space

Time = Space X Energy

Total of Time is bigger than Space and Energy.

That's redundant... Energy is the constant which of course is true.

What's I'm trying to understand is what is everyone talking about now...

Have we gotten to the relevance of the actual existence of "Time"?

The travel Time-Space verse Space-Time?

The Big Bang or The Crunch? Heat Disperal or Cold Collapse...

Ow my head! I think it's imploding from the White Hole Black Singularity of Blah-blah-bloop! LOL

Let's breath everyone and take a break.

[Shauna]

Here I was thinking that Future Esthar had returned to us with some more crazay theories. *sigh* Oh well~

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

I'd just like to understand if we're talking about Ultimecia or just Time Compression?

I mean, I hear all about how time is 'infinite' but no one seems to focus that Ultimecia wasn't trying to compress ALL time, just various moments of the incarnations of the Sorceress Power. You can not compress the infinite for that would just be like well... The natural order of time as the present immediately becomes the past after the 'actual moment' has passed. It would be like travelling to the future 'too fast' and hitting a 'brick wall of oblivion' because the future hadn't been created yet... except in reverse in this case.

So are we talking about Ultimecia compressing time, or what/how/why are WE compressing time?

[Christmas]

I wish someone will agree with Little Viator.

[Sir Bahamut]

I mean, I hear all about how time is 'infinite' but no one seems to focus that Ultimecia wasn't trying to compress ALL time, just various moments of the incarnations of the Sorceress Power.

That's unfounded. There's nothing in the game states that Ultimecia had that much control over TC. The game merely tells us that TC compresses past, present and future, and that one side-effect of this will be that Ultimecia can readily absorb all the sorceress powers throughout time. Further, in Ultimecias scan info in the end, it explicitly states that she is "absorbing all existence", implying she's compressing ALL of time.

You can not compress the infinite for that would just be like well... The natural order of time as the present immediately becomes the past after the 'actual moment' has passed. It would be like travelling to the future 'too fast' and hitting a 'brick wall of oblivion' because the future hadn't been created yet... except in reverse in this case.

Well, the game suggests (indirectly) that the entire FF8 Universal Timeline all exists in full at any given 'time'. In other words the future and the past DO exist, and the concept of a 'present' becomes redundant. However, as you say, if this timeline were infinite it would be impossible for Ultimecia to fully compress all of time, indicating either that the timeline is finite in length, or that she is only compressing the past eras (relative to her own era in time, that is).

Anyway, the "discussion" going on here is on the specifics of TC. Everyone knows what it means in general (all of time compressed to a single point etc.), but not the specific mechanisms behind it. It's those mechanisms, as well as the general nature of time in FF8 which Ryu and Viator are arguing about.

Or, rather, Viator is coming up with outlandish ideas for those mechanisms etc. and Ryu is demonstrating his flaws.

[Ryushikaze]

I think I am still exist in this world... I dont know why..? Perhaps...

It means you haven't been run over by a bus. Don't look to much into it.

Time is infinite means there's only the NOW time.
This time only flow in one direction; to the future.
Future will never exist until time reached that point.

Look closely folks, he just equivocated from an earlier post.

Future exist after time reached "that" period.

And? How is this an argument against finite time? It applies equally to finite and infinite time.

Sorry but time is not finite.

Prove it.

And you cant prove time is finite.

And you can't prove time is infinite. Parsimony is on my side.

Time is infinite, because scientists studying string theory agree that time existed before the big bang (creation of our universe) and time will continue.

**** You and your claims without evidence. PROOF. NOW.

The explanation about Big Bang doesnt prove time is finite but prove space expand.

Time is a function of the universe created by the BB. It had no meaning 'before' the BB.

Or maybe you cant define the meaning of time.

Pot. Kettle. Black.
Y'know, it gets me that you've never ACTUALLY defined finite and infinite time. And considering you asked me several times to define inanely obviously things, pony up, pilgrim.

Big Bang start only to show that space expand not time.
Everything needs time, the process of Big Bang needs time to occur.

Stop parroting yourself, Viator.

Paradox.

Glad you accept it. Concession accepted.

Even you or your god or any god cant explain it.
Only Ultimecia can explain it.

Concession accepted, and stop bringing up god. Sky pixies annoy me.

You still need an explanation...?
I recommend you to study more harder.
Big Bang in this universe just like "unlimited abyss".
If you/something get inside Black Hole maybe you will end up in Hyperspace.

Concession accepted. Either explain your points or do not make them. 'Study more harder' is not a rebuttal. It's an evasion. It's also incredibly bad grammar, and I find it a good rule to not listen to insane crackpot ramblings when the rambler can't even ramble in a grammatically correct fashion.

Y'know, it gets me that you say only Ultimecia understands TC.
Well, she's the one who calls it TC. It's COMPRESSION. End of smegging discussion.

[Pharoh Amon Khan III]

All you're doing now is bashing everyone's view versus your own.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimat...f_the_universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinit..._Stream_Theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Travel

There are MANY MANY MORE theories than one of how the great Universe Began and will End.... Big Bang- The Crunch! Hot Expansion- Cold Death

And time travel and other stuff... You can't claim yourself as "The Right One" and just BLATANTLY put every one else's theories.

Look back at your last post. You're just bitchin' now... Calm da fu#% down... Unclench! Does anyone know how to spell chill-lax?

[Ryushikaze]

All you're doing now is bashing everyone's view versus your own.

Please don't appeal to my motives. It is incredibly irritating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimat...f_the_universe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinit..._Stream_Theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Travel

There are MANY MANY MORE theories than one of how the great Universe Began and will End.... Big Bang- The Crunch! Hot Expansion- Cold Death

You do realize that I've mentioned in passing most of the alternatives in the time travel and fate of the universe theory, yes?
The infinite time stream one sounds psuedoscientific-y, and as the little blip at the bottom points out, originates in fiction.

And time travel and other stuff... You can't claim yourself as "The Right One" and just BLATANTLY put every one else's theories.

I didn't claim myself the right one.
And yes. I can blatantly put down other people's theories, when said theories are inane, crackpot, violate parsimony at every available turn, and rely on equivocations.

Look back at your last post. You're just bitchin' now... Calm da fu#% down... :p Unclench! Does anyone know how to spell chill-lax?

Look about two pages back. That's the last time Viator brought a new argument to the table. When he brings up a new point, or addresses a rebuttal, I'll respond to it. Until then, why bother?