Trance in FF9 useless?

[Pyroteq]

Zidane's Grand Lethal I find most useful, but otherwise Trance was pretty much useless. I barely got to use them during boss fights, because most of the time they would've already been wasted on some random encounter right before the boss fight. So basically your efforts in filling up the Trance Gauge go in vain. At least in FFVII and FFVIII this is not the case.

Yeah, this is my arguement. Also, it fills up so slowly. I'm about to enter the Sand Palace and I'm getting some extra AP's from the Landworms which give a nice amount of AP and EXP per fight, I get hit with Maelstrom which takes Zidane down to like, 7HP and I can't see any visible improvement in the Trance bar after losing over 2700HP =/

Also, I have every Dyne skill now and all it does it deal extra damage with each one, soon it won't even matter cuz they'll all deal 9999 damage. In FF8 Squalls Lionheart pretty much annihilated the enemy.

For the record, I've probably entered Trance probably 10 or so times with Zidane and I've used Dyne 3 times during the entire game and I'm on disc 3, and that includes the battle at the start of the game where you enter the battle in Dyne mode and Steiner comments on it.

[Zeromus_X]

What people need to understand is that there isn't a need for multi-hitting lethal special attacks. Nothing in the game has over 65,535 HP. 9,999 damage is alot of damage, in this game. Of course, your normal attacks and the 'up to 9,999' attacks are a quicker, more reliable choice then Trances.

*a spider bites Steiner*

Steiner: Omg Trance!!1one!

[Elpizo]

At least Trance isn't some kind of OVERPOWERED super uber attack which happens to be called Omnislash or Lionheart which can kill the Final Boss in nearly one hit.

I know why Trance is so unpopular by the players of VII and VIII or others, for that matter.
Because it's harder to use then those overpowered Limit Breaks of VII and VIII and also they are disappointed that Final Boss battles don't become laughably easy by using Trance. They have to use their heads to use Trance in a good way and not mindlessly mash some buttons.

Trance is good, very good. And it's as easy to get as in VII or VIII. Just do some random battles. Grand Lethal saved me when battling Arc. Tidal Flame let me breeze through the battle with Black Waltz 1.
Double Black Magic Flare against Necron (I don't use Doomsday, don't have the right equipment) for a quick battle. And then I'm even silent about Steiner in Trance who can do 9999 damage against Necron when he's in trance on lv 48. (Trance is nearly a must against this God. You need to finish him quickly before he can use Grand Cross.)

Conclusion: It's better, it's not overpowered, it's useful, takes some effort to use and is certainly not for people who hope to win a Final Boss battle with one Limit Break. This all together allows the game to remain at least a bit challenging.

The only annoying thing about Trance are all the people complaining about how 'useless' it is.

[Quindiana Jones]

Trance makes me smile, especially the first time you see it with Zidane. That's so cheesey haha.

[Mirage]

At least Trance isn't some kind of OVERPOWERED super uber attack which happens to be called Omnislash or Lionheart which can kill the Final Boss in nearly one hit.

I know why Trance is so unpopular by the players of VII and VIII or others, for that matter.
Because it's harder to use then those overpowered Limit Breaks of VII and VIII and also they are disappointed that Final Boss battles don't become laughably easy by using Trance. They have to use their heads to use Trance in a good way and not mindlessly mash some buttons.

Trance is good, very good. And it's as easy to get as in VII or VIII. Just do some random battles. Grand Lethal saved me when battling Arc. Tidal Flame let me breeze through the battle with Black Waltz 1.
Double Black Magic Flare against Necron (I don't use Doomsday, don't have the right equipment) for a quick battle. And then I'm even silent about Steiner in Trance who can do 9999 damage against Necron when he's in trance on lv 48. (Trance is nearly a must against this God. You need to finish him quickly before he can use Grand Cross.)

Conclusion: It's better, it's not overpowered, it's useful, takes some effort to use and is certainly not for people who hope to win a Final Boss battle with one Limit Break. This all together allows the game to remain at least a bit challenging.

The only annoying thing about Trance are all the people complaining about how 'useless' it is.

The few times i got trance in boss battles was when I tried to steal their good items, and it always wore off before I had gotten them.

[Thorn]

Endless is very right. Alot of the time, Trance is "plot related". I haven't played FF9 in almost 2 years but from what I remeber, characters get their trance due to people dying, importance of battle or just emotional battles.

- Very start where Dagger is trapped in that leaf monster, Zidane uses trance to free him.
-Vivi uses trance when he fights Black waltz 3. (famous image of him casting fire)
-Quinas fat

Sometimes you get Trance on literally the last hit of the battle and sometimes you get it at the start of a boss battle. It's all about luck. (but as endless said, you can predmediate boss battles)

[Mirage]

- Very start where Dagger is trapped in that leaf monster, Zidane uses trance to free him.

I dunno about you, but Dagger was a girl in my version :D.
(SPOILER)sorryjusthadto~

[-X-Trance_Kuja-X-]

too me trance is useful around disc 2, because some of the attacks on that are stupid like antilions sandstorm

[Thorn]

- Very start where Dagger is trapped in that leaf monster, Zidane uses trance to free him.

I dunno about you, but Dagger was a girl in my version .
(SPOILER)sorryjusthadto~

Lmao. I originally had "Vivi" instead of Dagger, so I editted that and accidently left "him".

I'll leave the "him" so our post makes sense.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

I think that if you characters are at a high level trance is not necessary for example if you steal enough items with Zidane his Thievery(or whatever it´s called) can already deal 9999 just like Grand Lethal.

As for Steiner his powerfull atacks like Shock already do 9999 with or withought trance.Same goes for Freya.

So yes trance is not needed at all at least i rarely need to use it to win a battle.

Plus i miss the destructive limit breaks that the characters from FFVII and FFVIII could use.

[Dell]

I agree with Sephiroth1999AD.
Trance is very useful....well...for me.

Dyne: Grand Lethal hits all, 9999 damage. Omnislash hits enemy randomly, so there are possibility that Cloud didn't attacked one (or more) enemy. This saves my butt from Ark in Oeilvert. Plus, you can use Trance three times, 3x Grand Lethal!

Eidolon: Well, this may receive....er....curse, yes! Full animation for Eidolons and No-MP Cost. If you have enough Lapis Lazuli, Ark will do 9999 damage without MP. Three times = Three Ark. Also, full animation increases your Eidolon's attack.

Double Black Magic: This may proves useful or useless. If you use Vivi when fighting Ozma (With shadow absorbing armor), you'll make him a healing machine, and Double Black Magic doubles it! Therefore, you don't need a healer like Eiko and Garnet, you can just ask them to revive and support you. Equip Return Magic on Vivi when fighting Ozma: Doomsday triple effect!

Double White Magic: See Double Black Magic. This time, its about white and white. : Full-Life twice? Curaga twice? Curaga and Full-Life? That is the world most loyal subjects!

Flair: I never use Amarant, I didn't know much about him but I see Flair once. This will make Amarant a Mage-Fighter. His HP can reach 9999, he can do decent damage and his trances makes him a healer (Well, he's also a healer when he's not in trance).

Cook: To be mean, I hate this stupid Trance even if you can eat enemy faster. They should have made: Double Blue Magic. Anyway, this may proves useful for someone.

Freya's: This Jump is even better than her normal jump. She'll dive on the enemies more!! And that blue color.......I LOVE BLUE!!!! This also give more damage than the normal Jump and as well as avoiding damages from enemies.

Steiner's: Perfect, Triple the attack! Steiner is sure to do 9999 damage with Climhazzard.....for me! This will proves useful at the beginning but when Steiner can do 9999 with Shock and Climhazzard, this is the world disaster.

[Elpizo]

Plus i miss the destructive limit breaks that the characters from FFVII and FFVIII could use.

Those Limit Breas were OVERPOWERED. Lionheart could kill True Ultimecia in almost oen hit. or was it Ultimecia Griever? Dunno, I just know it makes the game damn way too easy. Junctioning in general does.

Same with Omnislash. Way too overpowered. Only does it do less damage than Lionheart, but still overpowered.

Trance can be manipulated as easily as Junctioning or Limit Breaks in VII. You just have to work for it. And of course you all don't want that! Working for some easy -9999 is too hard to do. Rather perform some overpowered Limit Breaks by getting on low HP or letting your bar fill imemdiatly by getting hit by Supernova.

And your attacks might do -9999 once, but to me it seems unlikely on lv 45 a 50. Which was the level I was the time I finished the game. Trance is very useful in those last battles.

The good thing is a walkthrough. You know when a boss battle is coming so you can train your trance bar for it.
And geeweez, if it's useless, then just don't use it. Why make a topic about it? It's not that the people who think it IS useful are interested in the fact that you think it's useless, at least, IMHO.

[Jimmy Dark Aeons Slayer]

Plus i miss the destructive limit breaks that the characters from FFVII and FFVIII could use.

Those Limit Breas were OVERPOWERED. Lionheart could kill True Ultimecia in almost oen hit. or was it Ultimecia Griever? Dunno, I just know it makes the game damn way too easy. Junctioning in general does.

Same with Omnislash. Way too overpowered. Only does it do less damage than Lionheart, but still overpowered.

Trance can be manipulated as easily as Junctioning or Limit Breaks in VII. You just have to work for it. And of course you all don't want that! Working for some easy -9999 is too hard to do. Rather perform some overpowered Limit Breaks by getting on low HP or letting your bar fill imemdiatly by getting hit by Supernova.

And your attacks might do -9999 once, but to me it seems unlikely on lv 45 a 50. Which was the level I was the time I finished the game. Trance is very useful in those last battles.

The good thing is a walkthrough. You know when a boss battle is coming so you can train your trance bar for it.
And geeweez, if it's useless, then just don't use it. Why make a topic about it? It's not that the people who think it IS useful are interested in the fact that you think it's useless, at least, IMHO.

Actually i was talking about Zell, Barret and Cid limit break i like them because they aren´t random like Lion Heart.
And yes i stop using trances at level 3 because they just don´t seem necessary and the fact is they aren´t of course it all comes down if you have trained your characters right or not, cause if they are weak then i admit trance helps out.

[Rengori]

Two words- Grand Lethal. Trance- especially Zidanes- saved my ass soo many times.

I prefer Solution 9 because it reaches the Damage cap without as much MP.

But yeah, were it not for trance and really really good luck Necron would still piss me off to no end.

[Quindiana Jones]

I use Free Energy and Tidal Flame for the same reason. I like Steiner's Trance best though. Nice and simple.