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    Supporing the arugument posted by Goldenboco:
    I remember very clearly Trance Kuja saying (just before you fight him), something like:
    "Even if you defeat me the defence mechanism of the Iifa Tree will destroy you".
    What happens as soon as you defeat TK? You fight Necron...?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hubsta View Post
    Supporing the arugument posted by Goldenboco:
    I remember very clearly Trance Kuja saying (just before you fight him), something like:
    "Even if you defeat me the defence mechanism of the Iifa Tree will destroy you".
    What happens as soon as you defeat TK? You fight Necron...?...
    No, he said something like "Even if you deffeat me, the process of assimilation of the Iifa Tree is already begun, and in this point, even me cannot do nothing to stop it".

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    When the hell does Vivi die? Vivi does not die! But if he does, when? And how? Why has this been kept secret? We need answers! Vivi doesn't die!?!??!
    It is stated in-game that the black mages have a short lifespan. Besides, it's pretty obvious that the person speaking knows he's gonna die soon, and Vivi is the only one who you don't see. Common sense, really.

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    Just wondering did anyone read what I posted except Hubsta (and Hubsta he is right he said the assimaltion of the Iifa Tree is about to finish or something like that) But really now did anyone read Squall of SeeDs anylsis? It makes sense storyline in basically every perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboco View Post
    Just wondering did anyone read what I posted except Hubsta (and Hubsta he is right he said the assimaltion of the Iifa Tree is about to finish or something like that) But really now did anyone read Squall of SeeDs anylsis? It makes sense storyline in basically every perspective.
    I readed. In truth, you picked only one part of the FAQ, and i already readed the entire FAQ. In another section of it, the author prove that Gaia and Terra, have Lifestreams(Terra is trying to replace Gaia's Lifestream with its own). Is said in that FAQ that the fight with Necron is in the world of the deads, so, the fight is in the Lifestream, like i said in my other post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hubsta View Post
    When the hell does Vivi die? Vivi does not die! But if he does, when? And how? Why has this been kept secret? We need answers! Vivi doesn't die!?!??!
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    he actually does becuz he only had a certain amount of time to live, but when he "died" his body formed many new vivis (his children one says he is vivi's son) which u see at the end. I thought it was vivi saying the entire speech at the end. Also I think a few years passed after zidane's disapperance at the lifa tree so vivi must have died sometime during those few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crayzee gamr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Hubsta View Post
    When the hell does Vivi die? Vivi does not die! But if he does, when? And how? Why has this been kept secret? We need answers! Vivi doesn't die!?!??!
    Spoiler:
    he actually does becuz he only had a certain amount of time to live, but when he "died" his body formed many new vivis (his children one says he is vivi's son) which u see at the end. I thought it was vivi saying the entire speech at the end. Also I think a few years passed after zidane's disapperance at the lifa tree so vivi must have died sometime during those few years.
    He "formed them" out of thin air?

    The whole concept of Vivi being a machine or prototype or whatever never made sense to me. Although he did say that his first memory was when he showed up on the cliff of his adoptive grandfather's property.

    What I don't understand is, how was Vivi the only surviving prototype of the younger Black Mages? Why would anybody create an army starting with young mages who only know basic skills? It doesn't add up. Perhaps he was considered a failure in a magical family and was cast away. It doesn't make sense, and Square-Enix is nice enough not to give ANY information about his origin.

    His death is also mysterious (obviously), as are the origins of his children. Who was his lover/spouse? He obviously matured at some point in order to start mating, so we know his organs worked.

    Is his death the cause of the machinery in his system ceasing to function? How do we know he's a machine? Perhaps he just died. It happens. Not in every day life, of course, but such cases exist.

    Personally, I am not convinced, unless anybody else has some important information and/or proof found within the game of this matter which I overlooked.
    I prefer the term "Treasure Hunter".

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    Doesn't Kuja say that they're made from Mist and some magical energy or something? (On the Iifa Tree, I believe.)

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    Zidane's group approaches to where Kuja is.

    Dagger: You are Kuja, correct? My name is... ...Princess Garnet Til
    Alexandros. I wish to ask you something. Was it really you who
    persuaded my mother to start the war-

    Kuja: The war that threw the entire Mist Continent into chaos?

    Vivi: And you made everyone...the black mages into instruments of war!?

    Kuja: Oh, dear... The princess has such a bloodthirsty little puppet. I
    don't have the power to do such a thing. I just gave them a little
    recipe. Begin with broth of Mist, add fermented souls, and boil... Then,
    pour genuine black magic into a mixing bowl and heat to-

    Vivi: Stop it!

    Kuja: I'm not done telling how to make soulless toys out of the dregs
    of souls!

    Zidane: Dregs of souls? You mean Mist!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpikingZero View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by crayzee gamr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The Hubsta View Post
    When the hell does Vivi die? Vivi does not die! But if he does, when? And how? Why has this been kept secret? We need answers! Vivi doesn't die!?!??!
    Spoiler:
    he actually does becuz he only had a certain amount of time to live, but when he "died" his body formed many new vivis (his children one says he is vivi's son) which u see at the end. I thought it was vivi saying the entire speech at the end. Also I think a few years passed after zidane's disapperance at the lifa tree so vivi must have died sometime during those few years.
    He "formed them" out of thin air?

    The whole concept of Vivi being a machine or prototype or whatever never made sense to me. Although he did say that his first memory was when he showed up on the cliff of his adoptive grandfather's property.

    What I don't understand is, how was Vivi the only surviving prototype of the younger Black Mages? Why would anybody create an army starting with young mages who only know basic skills? It doesn't add up. Perhaps he was considered a failure in a magical family and was cast away. It doesn't make sense, and Square-Enix is nice enough not to give ANY information about his origin.

    His death is also mysterious (obviously), as are the origins of his children. Who was his lover/spouse? He obviously matured at some point in order to start mating, so we know his organs worked.

    Is his death the cause of the machinery in his system ceasing to function? How do we know he's a machine? Perhaps he just died. It happens. Not in every day life, of course, but such cases exist.

    Personally, I am not convinced, unless anybody else has some important information and/or proof found within the game of this matter which I overlooked.
    Maybe he can reproduce asexually, that or vivi is a pimp (he had like nine kids!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by crayzee gamr View Post
    Maybe he can reproduce asexually, that or vivi is a pimp (he had like nine kids!).
    Asexual reproduction doesn't necessarily work that way. Since Vivi is similar to the "humans" on Gaia, it wouldn't make sense for him to be asexual.

    Could be he was a pimp, kept impregnating his wife/lover, or had series of children at once (septuplets?!). Who knows...?
    I prefer the term "Treasure Hunter".

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    On a plot analasis (where that loooooooooooong post came from above), it says that he could've used some left over mist, and used the machines in Dali to create them.

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    I reckon he perfected the thingy and made them 9. Wow that sentence was well thought out.

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    I see. Maybe perhaps there is not supposed to be an answer, then.
    I prefer the term "Treasure Hunter".

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    He could have found out how to make more black mages, and created them himself. He is a powerful magician. I found Squall_of_SeeDs argument pretty convincing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpikingZero
    I see. Maybe perhaps there is not supposed to be an answer, then.

    DING DING DING! You are correct! You win a prize!

    Not really, but I'm glad somebody gets it. The very reason they did put that in there is because you absolutely cannot figure it out. You are supposed to be flipped out like Prince Puck, scratch your head wondering how and why, and then move on with your life. Congratulations.

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