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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye
    Do you really believe that this story present both sides to this problem?
    Of course not. The video, however, does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye
    And what the hell was the guy doing screaming at the top of his lungs?
    He was being a jerk, so that justifies torture? I'm assuming you're refering to before they started pumping electricity into him. After that point, it was likely due to pain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye
    This whole thing is ridiculous; the cops were strict with their authority. They asked repeatedly for the guy to stand up, and the guy refused. The guy was hysterical.
    At risk of pointing out the obvious, the guy had just been tasered! Tasering can render a person incapable of standing for up to 15 minutes. I'd be pretty damn hysterical in that situation myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye
    It's nice to not notice how this whole thing could have been avoided; if the guy had his ID, everything would have been fine. Had he cooperated in the first place, things wouldn't have been so drastic.
    He was leaving when this [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img] started. As in-not staying. As in-doing what they told him to do. He also screamed "I'll leave" repeatedly as they were shocking him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent, Thunder God
    Now the thing is... I find it hard to believe they would do this over ID. I just have trouble beleiving it. I have no idea why an officer of the law would abuse his position this much, unless he was evil or completely insane. And I don't know how either types could become a police officer.
    While it may be different in Canada, police abusing their power is pretty much SOP in America. Most cops are decent, but there are plenty of sadists and assholes in the feild. Positions of power tend to attract people like that.

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    It's not that way in Canada, as far as I can see. I think you're generalizing. To me, a person who would want to be a policeman is honourable and self-sacrificing; at least, one who wants to be a policeman for the right reasons.
    It is that way in the united states though. From what I can tell, this particular job is particularily prone to attracting two particular types of people. There is the noble guy who really, truly wants to help others and to 'protect and serve' and then there is the unintelligent (usually massive and hulking), mean, insecure, powerhungry douchebag with a bad case of 'mangolomania'.

    Unfortunately, there are for more men with mangolomania than there are people with actual morals. It's unfortunate, but because there are less decent people there will inevitably be less decent cops than there are bad cops.

    That's not to say there aren't decent cops. I got pulled over a few months ago by a cop who turned out to be one of the kindest men I have ever had the opportunity of seeing just 'randomly'.

    I got stopped the other day (granted, it was my fault) by a fat, hulking dumb douche bag who couldnt stop screaming at me and could not keep a level head.

    So yes, there are both, but there are more [img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img][img]/xxx.gif[/img]ty cops than good cops.

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    Sick wrong and reaveiling at the truth of the world, don't trust police currupt and ingnorant.
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    That thing has me hooked on watching videos of people getting tazed. Not that I thought it was amusing or anything. >_>

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    I still think its hilarious.

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    That's because you're sick.

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    Classy people see that as a entertainig seen probably cause he/she is rich. i.e: Genji, my cousins/borthers and so on
    Chuckles I guess I will help. But it will cost you your soul.

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    Actually, I'm not rich. Make sure you know the details about me before you speak about me, kthxbai.

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    I mean no offense in example moma always told me to be an example is to be respected...or something along those lines. plus I have been hit by tazers it either tightens the muscles or loosens(by no use or movent) depending if he and or she blacks out our or passes out. It is also much worse when somone has a medical condition.
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    It's not that way in Canada, as far as I can see. I think you're generalizing. To me, a person who would want to be a policeman is honourable and self-sacrificing; at least, one who wants to be a policeman for the right reasons.
    And that is why Canada is better than America

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    Read this thread, it's pretty interesting to have input from a possible eyewitness: http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/sh...ad.php?t=12336

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    I love the argument "he was being a jerk, therefore the tazing was justified."

    If he was being that much of a jackass and refusing to leave, <i>arrest him</i>. If he physically resists arrest, then taze his ass. But they tazed him for... being obnoxious?

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    Well, according to the link provided by Endless, the tazes he got while on the ground were less than usual. I'm not sure how much less. I've been hit with a stun gun before and let me tell you it hurts like hell even on a low setting. The guy did have a point that if the kid can whine about the Patriot Act then he can probably get up under his own power.

    I think he was milkin' it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endless View Post
    Read this thread, it's pretty interesting to have input from a possible eyewitness: http://messageboard.tuckermax.com/sh...ad.php?t=12336
    Um. That account of things seems to go against all the other eyewitness accounts I've read, including this one:

    The first thing I noticed was the student shout “don’t touch me” the very first time when he was still as his desk (a little earlier than when the camera began to roll I believe. I was about 30 feet away from him.) I hadn’t noticed the policemen come in. I looked over and I saw the student standing up, his hands were in the air in a very “get your hands off me” manner. One of the police officers did in fact have his hands on him and was grabbing one of his right arms, or maybe more but I didn’t pay too much attention to it right away (I was doing work on the computer). I returned to typing as it seemed that he was just going to escorted out. I thought the incident was over then and went back to my paper. A very short time later (maybe I’d estimate 30 secondsish) I heard him again, but this time farther down by the exit of the computer lab, shouting “don’t touch me” and soon after the shock.

    I was stunned and I think most other people were stunned as well. One girl started trotting over from where I was and said “you can’t do that”. I got up soon after and walked over. I didn’t see what happened before the first shock, but I soon approached and saw him held on the ground by the officers and in the midst of being cuffed. I don’t know if he had been struggling up to this point, but when I got there he was pretty much subdued and the officers were doing the struggling (turning him over to finish cuffing him, manhandling him pretty much). He yelled a few things during this time and you can hear it all on the video. Then the officers were dragging him up from his arms and demanding that he stand up. He looked really messed up at this point, as if he had just ran a race or something. His face was kind of pinkish (probably from the shock and all the shouting) and his body was slumped. I started saying to him “get up dude, just get up”, and I think some other people may have been encouraging him. He wasn’t making a move and just about then they shocked him again.

    At this point a couple of other students and I started shouting back at the cops. I hadn’t seen what led to the first shock, but I did see the time in between and the second shock was completely unjustifiable. He was definitely not being violent, he wasn’t moving, at all. A few of us were shouting as they led him down the stairway and shocked him right there going down and he fell pretty hard on the tiles of the steps (I think you can see him flying up on the video). They dragged him down to the entrance foyer and there I, and a couple other students became more vocal. The CSOs were trying to block us off at this point, but they were porous and few. Several students had been demanding badge numbers, but the 2 officers had obviously not responded up to that point, and never did. (The student was shocked AT LEAST two more times before he was finally dragged out of the building.)

    In the foyer, there were a few other officers. One of them came to approach us. One other student and I started speaking with this officer, saying mostly 1) this student is being assaulted by these officers and you have to stop this and 2) we want the names and badge numbers of all the officers there. He told us that we would get them and that we needed to calm down. The student was pretty much motionless at this point except for the few times he was being tased. We continued complaining as the student was being dragged out, but he was badly obscured at this point by several officers and security guards. Then another officer approached me directly and told me to back up, to which I replied with some witty remark about the limits of his authority in the situation. He told me again to back up, and I said something like “I just want your badge numbers” and he told me again to back up right now and that if I didn’t move back I would be tased too. I didn’t move and looked at him directly, at which point he raised his taser gun and pointed it at me (I saw the red light glow right in the center of it) and said “try me”. I turned around and lifted my hands.

    I walked around and approached the other officer I had talked to earlier. I again asked for badge numbers. One of the officers (can’t clearly remember which one or what number it was) responded with a single three digit number (which I am assuming was his own) and I saw the officer who had threatened me earlier walking out. I was held up for a couple seconds when the badge numbers of the two assaulting officers were given then walked out to follow the officer who had left. He was down below the stairs where there were about 5 police cars parked all facing the library. I trotted down and he immediately started approaching me. I said “I want your badge number”. He continued approaching me and pointed his taser gun at me again and told me to go back inside.

    I walked back inside and started talking to people. I kept asking if anyone got all their badge numbers. One student assured me that he had gotten them. The whole place was buzzing at this point. People were talking, discussing, encouraging each other about doing things about it (which including calling news sources, writing to the chancellor, the regents, and the police department, etc.) It was here as I was talking to people that I first discovered that the initial violation had been that he didn’t show identification. I persistently asked everyone I talked to if the officers had ever stated that they were arresting the student or if rights had been read. I even spoke to the student who was sitting near him when the officers first approached. Everyone of the students I spoke to said that they had heard no mentions of arrest or Miranda rights. We pieced the story together, bits and pieces, there among us all.

    I went back and packed all my stuff and went for a coffee at the vending machines and made a call out to someone I knew from the daily bruin. When I returned another student was being kicked out of the library for an unrelated event by the two officers I had spoken to. I recognized the student and greeted him. They were very rude to both of us and continued to be as they got his information and eventually left. I went back in and finished what work I had to do and eventually went home.
    I really think the student was being kind of an ass. And I also think it was completely bizarre that he started screaming about the patriot act, but I don't think anyone can justify what the officers did. Especially to a student who wasn't even under arrest.

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    I just checked this out: relating to my first comment, when I said "I'm not sure if we even have or need University security in Canada," I looked it up and it turns out we don't have any university security in Canada. If there is a problem local police show up on the scene, but there are no in-school police, and if there were, I doubt that ID would be a problem.

    Recently, however, there was a shooting in Montreal, and now people are saying we might get University security. Still, I doubt something like this would happen as a result.

    Another thing occured to me. This is a long shot, but what if this was all staged as shock treatment so that more people start carrying around their ID? I can't see how this could be good publicity for security, but maybe they weren't counting on this blowing up so much, and they just wanted to make more people make sure to have their ID.

    A pretty wierd idea, I know. It's probably completely unlikely, but I thought it might add another dynamic to the topic.
    Last edited by Vincent, Thunder God; 11-18-2006 at 07:05 PM.

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