9/11

[Pilch4]

And how many innocent people have been killed as a result of America's attack on Iraq?

In fact, how many innocent people die of disease in Africa each day? Oh wait... sorry, not America... so clearly it doesn't matter.

[Arrianna]

But some of those facts are true, and it's freaky.

Really?
(Courtesy of Barronmore.)

"Q33 NY" refers to an Internet hoax which was spread, often via e-mail, in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The hoax capitalizes on an oddity of the Wingdings symbol font.

The message claimed that "Q33 NY," the supposed "flight number" of one of the airplanes to hit the World Trade Center, becomes a message when rendered in Wingdings font. In Wingdings, "Q33 NY" renders as:


(Note the skull and crossbones and Star of David on the right.) However, "Q33 NY" is not an actual flight number or an aircraft registration number - it's a meaningless assemblage of letters and numbers designed to take advantage of the font's symbols to infer a connection (prophetic or conspiratory) between the 9-11 attacks and Jews.

The actual flight designations of the airplanes striking the World Trade Center were American Airlines Flight 11 (so, AA11, first plane) and United Airlines Flight 175 (UA175, second plane). It is worth noting that in New York, there is a bus route Q33 serving LaGuardia Airport, which was not connected with any of the flights used in the attacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q33_NY
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/wingdings.asp
http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/q33ny.html

Like I said you shouldn't believe everything you read.

To be honest, they don't need it to be September to do that, they do it all the time anyway. I am sick and tired of seeing 9/11 dragged up in EVERY single incident that ever occurs. I'm sick of Americans, the powers that be and otherwise, acting as if they are the only ones who have ever been affected by terrorism. We've had terrorism here since the 60's...

...and the US hasn't. That is why it is important to remember. Because the US (and for that matter Canada) doesn't live with it every day it is important we be reminded that these people are out there. Or would you prefer everyone go back to sticking their head in the sand?


Personally I will never forget it. I saw the second plane hit broadcast live. The entire day was.... unforgettable. The only bright spot was all the others in other countires who had been through the same thing offering sympathy. It unified most of the world for a few days anyway. To bad it couldn't have lasted longer but I guess it's easier to call people names and be angry at them then try to understand each other and get along.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

And how many innocent people have been killed as a result of America's attack on Iraq?

How many were suicide bombers, killing their own citizens?

In fact, how many innocent people die of disease in Africa each day? Oh wait... sorry, not America... so clearly it doesn't matter.

That's not terrorism. That's not people killing other people.

Personally I will never forget it. I saw the second plane hit broadcast live. The entire day was.... unforgettable. The only bright spot was all the others in other countires who had been through the same thing offering sympathy. It unified most of the world for a few days anyway. To bad it couldn't have lasted longer but I guess it's easier to call people names and be angry at them then try to understand each other and get along.

Yeah... but it's heartening that the world really can be unified. Even after a terrible incident like 9/11, we could throw our differences aside.

[Goldenboko]

And how many innocent people have been killed as a result of America's attack on Iraq?

In fact, how many innocent people die of disease in Africa each day? Oh wait... sorry, not America... so clearly it doesn't matter.

Thats pretty heartless, imagine this you where in the World Trade Center, the planes hit and your fine, but when you turn around what do you see out your window people jumping out of the building forty stories tall so they don't burn alive...
You start to run down the stairs covered witht thick smoke, and you see people dead from the smoke.
Some people haven't moved on from loved ones dying. 9/11 was tramatic, scary, and its not something that should be joked about, or talked as if not much happened. Things happened and it was serious.

[Pilch4]

To be honest, they don't need it to be September to do that, they do it all the time anyway. I am sick and tired of seeing 9/11 dragged up in EVERY single incident that ever occurs. I'm sick of Americans, the powers that be and otherwise, acting as if they are the only ones who have ever been affected by terrorism. We've had terrorism here since the 60's...

...and the US hasn't. That is why it is important to remember. Because the US (and for that matter Canada) doesn't live with it every day it is important we be reminded that these people are out there. Or would you prefer everyone go back to sticking their head in the sand?

In a way you've just proven my point.

America didn't give a damn about terrorism until it happened to them. Think of it like Christopher Reeve deciding he suddenly cared about paralysis victims after he became one.

What sympathy or help did America offer us during the frequent IRA attacks of the 80's and 90's? None. Typically, America only cared when it became their problem. Now they expect us to all come running when they are involved. Once again, I repeat... America is NOT the centre of the civilization.

Things happened and it was serious.

Things happen, that are serious every day. But as long as it's not on your door step that's fine right? Think about it like this... Americans don't have to live in constant fear of being attacked. Think about people who live/lived in Iraq or Afghanistan. Innocent people who can't help where they live... think about the fact they every single day they have to worry about being killed by soldiers, or being caught up in an incident. Think about this then consider how self-important Americans act on the terrorist issue.. and you called me heartless.

[Rengori]

We've had terrorism here since the 60's...

Just so you know, terrorism has been around way longer than that.

[Madame Adequate]

In a way you've just proven my point.

America didn't give a damn about terrorism until it happened to them. Think of it like Christopher Reeve deciding he suddenly cared about paralysis victims after he became one.

What sympathy or help did America offer us during the frequent IRA attacks of the 80's and 90's? None. Typically, America only cared when it became their problem. Now they expect us to all come running when they are involved. Once again, I repeat... America is NOT the centre of the civilization.

Yes, America was somewhat busy with this little thing called the 'Cold War', it kind of threatened to destroy most life on the planet. The occasional nutcase ith dynamite was not a high concern when the Soviets had enough nukes to destroy the entirity of Capitalist civilization.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

What sympathy or help did America offer us during the frequent IRA attacks of the 80's and 90's? None.

I'm sorry for what the IRA did to your country. Really, I am.

Now they expect us to all come running when they are involved. Once again, I repeat... America is NOT the centre of the civilization.

Didn't Tony Blair say that, after 9/11, "America has no truer friend than Great Britain"?

[Pilch4]

Try reading... I said "we", as in our generation in England... since most of our generation weren't alive before the 50's/60's then i stand by my statement.

Also, read on to the part where I reference the Middle East... Thanks.

Didn't Tony Blair say that, after 9/11, "America has no truer friend than Great Britain"?

So what if he did? That neither proves nor negates either of our points and is a completely seperate issue.

As for your comment regarding the IRA, don't be sorry. It didn't affect me very much at all... in fact most people here don't dwell on it... which, if you read back to my original post, you'll see was my main point about 9/11.

[Goldenboko]

Things happened and it was serious.

Things happen, that are serious every day. But as long as it's not on your door step that's fine right? Think about it like this... Americans don't have to live in constant fear of being attacked. Think about people who live/lived in Iraq or Afghanistan. Innocent people who can't help where they live... think about the fact they every single day they have to worry about being killed by soldiers, or being caught up in an incident. Think about this then consider how self-important Americans act on the terrorist issue.. and you called me heartless.

People like you make me sick, you find one part of the post that you can disagree with, and try to prove a point and BOOM! Did you even read the rest of my post? You are heartless, whenever 5,000 people die in that manner its sad and cruel. But I think more then heartless you're arrogent. You focus on yourself and don't understand when other places have problems. I am anything but a nationalistic American, I understand our government, and way of life and thinking is screwed up. But! Even I understand what happened 5 years ago.

[ljkkjlcm9]

You know what I love, other countries that complain about America claiming to be the center of the world. And you know why it's funny? Because anytime something happens in the world, America must have an opinion and take a stance on it. People complain about America being "The World Police" but it's basically because America is forced to be. Cause when we do nothing people yell at us, and when we do something, people yell at us.

You can bitch about America claiming to be the center of the World and crap, when we're not really. But the fact of the matter is, more of the rest of the world knows about America, than people in America. The rest of the world pays attention to America, more than America. So who makes us the center of everything? If you don't care about America, why even post in a thread that doesn't involve you? I don't mean to sound mean, but if you have a problem with it, why get involved with it. By talking about America, you're helping to put it as the center of attention. If people would stop talking about America around the world, and expecting things from us in certain situations, maybe we wouldn't see ourselves as the center of attention.

As for 9/11, yes it was sad, yes it happened, but we do need to move on. See I've been thinking, I go to a military school. We have a vigil for 9/11. But the school has been around since before Pearl Harbor... did they have vigils for that, and how long after it happened did they have them? I just don't want to see students here 25 years from now still having vigils for 9/11. Honestly, it didn't change all that much here. We act like it did, but it didn't really. It did for a little bit, but the country hasn't changed much at all.

THE JACKEL

[Odaisé Gaelach]

Try reading... I said "we", as in our generation in England... since most of our generation weren't alive before the 50's/60's then i stand by my statement.

Hey, your country voted his party into power. Twice.

So what if he did? That neither proves nor negates either of our points and is a completely seperate issue.

You said that America expected the rest of the world to come running when they were involved. England did.

think about the fact they every single day they have to worry about being killed by soldiers, or being caught up in an incident.

Now think about how much of a shock it was, to wake up in New York, and find your city burning. 8 million people live there. The people in the Twin Towers never expected to die that day. Neither did the pilots or passengers of the airplanes that crashed. Wasn't the world afraid that day?

[Goldenboko]

Returning to the topic...
I gave the Twin Towers and all of its Victims a moment of silence (10 min I didn't speak) When I got home. But other then that there isn't much I can do but move on.

[Odaisé Gaelach]

Returning to the topic...
I gave the Twin Towers and all of its Victims a moment of silence (10 min I didn't speak) When I got home. But other then that there isn't much I can do but move on.

Yeah.

Ultimately there isn't much you can do but move on.

[nik0tine]

Hi guys I woke up late and didn't go to school today. I also played Final Fantasy VI. Beat that, patriots!