Every character either beeing a geek or geek related, which is all of our character Ideas. That seems far better than all geeks. Plus they are all original characters, at least in the Idea behind them.
Every character either beeing a geek or geek related, which is all of our character Ideas. That seems far better than all geeks. Plus they are all original characters, at least in the Idea behind them.
hmmm...i like to see contrast between characters...
and heres some more midis...they arent arranged properly..and the synth sucks..but its better then the guitar midi...whiich sucks..sooo...youll jus have to bear with me til i find out what sound to use....and they arent arranged yet...cuz..id like..have to know what kinda part of the game they are gonna be used at....and..i wrote them on my guitar..soooo..they are jus jams/vamps/improvs that i did...and thought they sounded cool...so i wrote them down as i remembered them ^o^.....
Sephiro this here.
music me please. I wanna make some midi music aswell.
in between sounds :3
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Last edited by Markus. D; 11-26-2006 at 01:36 AM.
alright... maybe I was a bit hard about that... but I have a very strong opinion about what I want the fourth character to be, and I will not be moved on that part. The space man character should have a minor part in the game. I don't want to see it degenerate into taking missions.
I do not want a character who is and always was a cat girl. If there is a cat girl there should be a definite explanation as to why, and not just that she's like that, or that they simply exist. I know the cat girl as the main character idea was shot down, after reading a bit more I discovered that... sorry for overstating that a bit. I also know that cat girls are a staple of anime. This is not an Anime. And in terms of storyline, I intend to give it as much continuity as absolutely possible. I hate stories where one thing happens, and then another, and they completely contradict eachother. Especially when there's no explanation behind it. Or when the explanation is a complete cop-out, like how they explained The Legend of Zelda by saying every two games they get another Link.
In further news, yes, geek related characters are fine. Thats actually closer to what I originally planned anyway... In fact, I made a list of characters and weapons that they'd use a while back... not anything specific, but a list of weapon types. I don't know if I can find it, but I'd like to share that with you because I think it would help. They're all named after friends of mine, so I'll just put in first names, I'm sure they wouldn't care that much about that. Maybe I could latinize it...
I should have that ready in a couple hours, maybe tomorrow... we'll see if I can find that page...
Ok, I couldn't find that page, but I found others...
Dylan, Sam, Scott, Ben, Josh, Ilya, Andy, Craig, Joel, Andrew
And the various weapons: Dagger, Sword, Katana, Massive Sword, Pistol Carbine, Rifle, Big Guns, Sniper Rifle, Polearm, Staff, Hammer, Claws, Katars, Hand signs, SubMachine Guns, Dual Daggers.
Dylanius - Katanas, Katars, Swords, Rifles
Samsocutus (Mr. E)- Massive Swords, Swords, Daggers, Pistols
Scotticus - Carbine, Pistol
Benjicus (Mr. C)- Sniper Rifle, Sword, Rifle, Carbine
Joshuacius (Mr. D)- Polearms, Staff, Carbines
Ilyanicus - Claws, Swords, Daggers, Pistols
Andronicus - SubMachine Guns, Carbines, Swords
Craigiticus - Daggers, Dual Daggers
Joeliticus (Mr. B)- Big Guns, Rifles, Carbines
Andruiticus (Mr. A)- Swords, Polearms, Hammers, Daggers, Pistols
And then there would be various abilities like Magic, Technomagic, TechnoBabble, Energy, E-Skills, Knife Figher, Dragoon Skills... I hadn't come up with all of them, but stuff like that.
And the story was that a visitor either from the future, or from another planet talks to Josh, and tells him he needs to help them. Then Josh goes off and finds Andrew at the Convention. Andrew gathers his buddies, and goes off to save the day. First stop being a Space Station. After that, I wasn't too sure, but I knew it would be awesome.
There can be more or less characters, I have always enjoyed large numbers of characters though, Especially in FF6. Even if they are just random guys that had little story, but simply were there to be awesome. Like Gogo. And how many speculations have there been about Gogo's true identity? How many of them are right? All of them are! Because as far as Squaresoft is concerned, I don't think they even care! I doubt they made Any story for the poor sap. And because of that people start to speculate.
I usually don't say this, but I love things like that. When there's an aspect of a game that isn't fully explained, so the fans have to make something up. And they do. This is not to say that nothing can be explained, but not every hidden item needs a backstory, or a completely descriptive name. The Economizor for example... where the heck did it come from? I never actually found it. But I mean, Illumina! Where did it come from? Why does it have to be the best sword in the game? Why not Ragnarok, or Excalibur, or the Masamune? Is Masamune even in that game? I forgot by now.
Yeah... I like that kind of thing. Thats my steam of thought for today, I'll try to work some on that engine.... but its not going well. I unfortunately don't know quite enough about Java to put that together. I don't know enough about C++ either... but I at least have a tutorial using C... so, we'll see how that works. With any luck, I'll get something started by next week.
Last edited by Kryton87; 11-26-2006 at 10:15 AM.
The project that was awesome, has fallen apart... oh well.
RPG Maker... XP...
1) who was the fourth Character you were thinking of? I don't want to reread all your massive posts to find it.
2) Yes, catgirls are an anime staple, but since we are dealing with geeks anime stapes definately have a place in the game.
3) IF we are dealing with multiple worlds, its highly unlikely they will all have humans, but another race, in this case cat Girls. It fits the geeky profile, and gives a reasonable explination.
4) I have no Idea where this unconnected events thing you came up with came from. We barely put together an Idea for the begining, and me and Bahamut are going to make sure everything connects well. That what makes a good game.
5) We are sticking to that story with the exception of gathering a group of friends, as that doesn't make a lot of sense. Why would a random group of friends decide to help out? Most explanations would suck, hence why we didn't do that and instead had the guy who is a DM come along, and for good reason.
The fourth character is the guy most of you have been discussing as the Space Man, or as I referred to him as Josh. As far as the story goes, he's not a space man. He was inspired by a space man. I'll decide exactly how when it becomes important, but it could be that a man from the future comes in a time ship and speaks to him, saying he needs to help the future and all that. Or it could be something like he sees the space man in the distance, and asks if he could come along. Maybe he hears the name of his friend and requests that he be the one to break the news. In any case, Josh is most definitely of the same time and place as Andrew.
Here's another idea. There is no man from the future. What Josh finds, is future technology that allows time/space travel. Josh comes to find his friend to come and check it out. Simple as that, completely logical, and something that I would most certainly do, and I think anyone would do if given the chance.
Lets say in the first scene we discuss how these guys are best buddies, but Josh lives in the desert, and Andrew lives in the city. The Andrew has tickets to a local convention thats happening far after Josh has to go home. So then the next scene is at the convention. Thats where Josh comes to visit Andrew, and thats where the real story starts. Its a bit of an unbelievable fantastic idea of mine, but given the right circumstances, which I hope to provide, I think it could work.
Nearly forgot about the rest of the questions...
ok, Yes, catgirls are an anime staple, and yes they can exist. But how likely is it that another planet, hundreds lightyears away, or even like, 10 lightyears away... how likely is it that a race of cat people would have evolved there, when cats are a native animal to earth? For some of the things, I put very specific circumstances in mind, but for others, lets not be ridiculous. One catgirl made by genetic testing, or by some magic curse, or something else, I could understand. But how would the cats get there, and how would they evolve into humanoid beings? Why would they evolve into humanoid beings? Why couldn't they just become big cats? Cats have no way of manipulating objects very well, thus, how would they build a proper society? How does a cat use a tool? And why would they even need to? They can hunt for food just fine. If there is no reason to evolve, and nowhere to evolve to, there is no evolution.
The next point was about continuity. There are currently no major gaps in continuity. I'm simply saying this to ward possible problems off. Such problems are made by careless mistakes. I want everything to have a way of being pieced together, even if its not explicitly explained. Thats to come later however, when such problems could potentially appear. Another thing, we need to start focusing energy on what happens after the first part of the game. Thats completely up in the air. Anyone can suggest anything, and you are all encouraged to.
The last point is restating the first, so I'll be brief. The original story is dealt with. The fine details can be put together once we have an idea of how it'll work. I'm gonna get the engine together in about a week. My friend finally came through with that.
So I should have the engine working by this time next week, and you guys can send me graphics and maps and I'll put the whole thing together... I'll come up with a format for text file maps. When I'm done with it, the entire thing will be completely modular, and easy to use. And the entire thing will run off of text files. Now I don't know how I'll make it hard for users to modify... we don't after all want to condone cheating. I could just hard-code the entire thing once its all together... but that would make it ridiculous. Too many Strings.
Progress is happening. I may have found a person for the graphics. I hope that it works out. And I hope that my posts aren't too long.
Last edited by Kryton87; 11-27-2006 at 03:21 AM.
The project that was awesome, has fallen apart... oh well.
I'm not trying to sound rude, but it seems like your throwing out what we've done so far. We've spent a good amount of time discussing this based of what you had originally said you wanted, and now your pretty much saying we shoudn't go with what we've finished. In addition it almost seems like your mind about what you want keeps changing little by little, making it difficult ot keep up.
As for cat Girls in another world, who says they evolved from cats? They have ears and a tail, probably evoled to that like any other animal, out of nescessity. All it takes is a world where they would have use, and thats it. Humans evoled they way they did because of that, no reason that it wouldn't be the same their.
Also, We are working on how it will work. We can't have you just coming in and posting what you want and not be involved in the conversations, that just screws up continuity that we are forming. If you want to be that involved with the story, actually come in and talk with us in the room, and not through the posts. I think that way we can establish a good way to put this together. And Share and change the Idea's there, that way we can avoid the problems we're having.
Your Idea's right now, to be honest, kind of suck. I'll chalk it up to lack of detail on what should be done, but thats why you should talk with us in the chat before posting these Ideas up here like you are.
I would love to, but every time I get on, nobody's there. Once, when I was in the channel, Buckethead(Sephirothishere) was there, and I talked to him for a bit, but then had to run a bunch of errands, and that screwed my day up. I have had no time to do anything lately. Yes, I agree it sucks, yes I agree that my ideas are not as fleshed out as I would like them. I do not think however that they are in direct conflict with anything else.
There are a few things I do have issues with, most of them are simply because I have my own ideas as to what is good story, and what makes a good world.
The problem is definitely communication. I have very strong ideas about how the story begins, and very strong general ideas about how it progresses. But the specifics about what happens after the beginning, I don't care. I want it to be on a space station, but what goes on there could be anything. After that I'll merely be quality control. I've seen a lot of corny and fake sounding ideas in other games, other projects, and other things in general. Everything about this game should sound like it could happen.
There will be a main bad guy, but I don't want him/her to seem like a bad guy. I want everything about him/her to seem like anyone could do it. They should not be insane, (that happens way, way, way too much in games) their actions should be completely reasonable. If you were on their side, they would seem like a good guy.
I'm sorry if I've shot down ideas. There are only two ideas I have completely shot down, and I suppose those were the only ideas you guys had worked out. The first was about the cat people planet. In retrospect, now that I think of it more critically, yes, it could work. Hey, Moogles worked for Final Fantasy, cat people can work here. I didn't like the idea at first because it mostly just seemed silly. But since then, I've grown less angry about things, and I think I can see it more clearly now. Cat people can work, but don't put them everywhere.
However as for the cat girl character, I think it would be cool to have a character who was originally a human, who was transformed into a cat girl. That way, she still knows what the party is after, and can relate to them perfectly, but at the same time, has something else going on, and has an ounce of storyline even before we begin. It could be by genetic experiment, or by Magic from Orisus. In any case, it could be fixed, but not easily. Possibly not even by the end of the game.
The second idea that I shot down was the one I feel most strongly about. I don't want the main character to get the first quest. I want the main character to get his quest from other characters. It seems like its always the main character who's either doing everything, or getting orders from some guy we can't talk to. I want the main character to be nothing more than the guy we follow. He won't be the guy that knows whats going on, but he'll be the guy that can figure it out the best. No one will really know whats going on. Any space man who comes to earth from whatever planet should not be a main character. The main characters should consist of only those who are in progress to becoming great, not those who are great already.
I like the idea about five worlds. One of them should be Earth, because thats where the adventure starts. Then one should be Orisus, because its awesome. Then based on the storyline of Orisus, there's a planet of Elves somewhere out there. Whether or not they get involved may or may not happen... thats for the story to decide. A planet of cat people as I said in my previous paragraph, is cool. That leaves one planet undecided. That could be anything. The planet where the evil resides, a planet without life, or perhaps thats where all the little green men live.
Whatever they are, they exist, and in the present, maybe only a couple are space travelers. But in the future, most, if not all of them have space flight capabilities. I'm thinking the cat people could be less developed in the present, but when people go to visit them, they discover space travel and use it religiously, rather than commercially.
I want to say more on this, but I want to limit the size of my posts.
edit: Crap! I nearly forgot to say when I'd be available.
I will be available from when I say so, until 2 hours afterwards. I may show up a little early, or a little late. I will change my nickname in the channel to AwesomeHost when I'm not there. When I am, it will be Kryton87. After two hours, I make no guarantees. And of course, there will be pockets where I'm going to the bathroom or something like that, hopefully nothing longer than 10 minutes. All times are in Pacific Standard Time, and Greenwich Mean Time, and on a 24 hour scale. I don't know where everyone else is, but I'm in California, and I have school. Thats my reasoning.
Monday, I will be here and online after 22:00 PST, or 6:00 GMT.
Tuesday, I will be here and online after 19:00 PST or 3:00 GMT.
Wednesday, I will be here and online after 16:00 PST or 0:00 GMT.
Thursday, I will be here and online after 16:00 PST or 0:00 GMT.
Friday, I will be here and online after 16:00 PST or 0:00 GMT.
As said previously, all times are approximate, but I'll try to leave my computer on as much as possible, and keep conversation logs so that I can go back and check if anyone said anything I should know. That should keep me informed. I hope it works.
I'm not trying intentionally to make things harder. If there is anything you are really intent upon that you think I'm being an ass about, let me know. And when I say "you", I mean everyone helping out with the project.
I really need to stop talking now before I make an even bigger fool out of myself.
edit again: Should I rewrite my posts and make them more concise?
Last edited by Kryton87; 11-27-2006 at 07:34 AM.
The project that was awesome, has fallen apart... oh well.
The main character doesn't really know whats going on. HE really is just some random geek. He just happens to do something that significantly effect the future later. So I don't know where you got the Idea of him knowing more than that.
The only way it would make sense for him to do anything is if he is somehow involved with whats going on, otherwise no one would go to him for help. So the only way to keep it reasonable is if he some how has something to do with the grand scheme of things. To start it on a space station also would be strange. If we are dealing with normal people there isn't really a good reason for the space station, unless of course thats where they live, and its more of a colony than a space station. In which case it wouldn't really make a difference if it were on a planet or a space station.
Plus, it is a space station they would most likely detect the arrival with the space man, but that would have to change more aspects of the story thus far to make it fit. It makes much more sense to keep it on a planet in moder times to start. Now if you just want the space station to be an opening seen before you actually take control of the main character thats a different story. That can be easily worked in. However its one of those things that we'll work on when the overall plot and story is decided upon.
Your Idea's just don't seem to work so well when you try to put them together. Given what you've said it would cause to many bothersome uncertainties that would cause us to make some stretches to work in, even if we only used your Idea's and scrapped our current work.
Ok... either I'm not explaining myself properly, or you're not understanding me properly. I'm going to try to be more concise.
The setting is in Modern Times to begin with.
The story begins as:
You follow one character who has nothing to do with anything.
Then his friend comes along and pulls him into this awesome adventure.
His friend has a space ship that they use to travel to a space station.
The space station has problems. What problems, I don't know.
From there, the story unravels.
The project that was awesome, has fallen apart... oh well.
well...kryton...to be honest..it doesnt seem to have the punch that the idea cc and bahamut have come up with....
Sephiro this here.
Of course it doesn't! Thats the short version. I'm trying to be concise. Details will be added, characters will be met, everything happens in a wild crazy way that makes it awesome. But thats the general story... kinda like the classic "boy meets girl" story. I mean, if you just say it like it is, its crappy. But if you take into account the details, the how's and why's and all that stuff, thats when it becomes interesting.
The project that was awesome, has fallen apart... oh well.
# chatroom is a good time now
Ok, outline of the 3:30 today chat session - Any spoiler text was taken out from editing. Any red text was added. Just so that you can track the edits. Last edited 23:54 GMT 11/28/06
-- == Characters ==
_| * Main character
_| | A general geek
_| | Possibly from the future
_| | possibly came from future to tell his past self to begin a quest
_| | perhaps invented a device that can change atmospheric conditions making space travel easier to accomplish
_| * Space Man character
_| | Possibly is main character who came back in time from future to begin the quest... Paradox?
_| * DM character
_| | Sneaks aboard ship, but his hiding place is dangerous, and he is exposed to radiation that gives him strange powers. Like Spiderman... kinda...
_| | Powers could be similar to what we know as Magic
(SPOILER)_| | Vampire like
_| * Cat Person
_| | Undecided as of yet... possible descriptions
_| | Cat girl from another planet, acts friendly, cheerful, and cosplayerlike
_| | Cat girl was originally a cosplayer, but was transformed into a cat-girl due to a curse or some such thing.
_| | Cat girl is a tribal figure, who acts on cat-like instinct
_| * Character from other planet
_| | found somewhere on another planet, in a dark mysterious place
_| | joins party and then leaves randomly to find something
_| | when he finds said something, its not what he expects, he's all bloodied, and such
_| | Turns out its like reliving his past, but not the way he remembers.
_| | rejoins party, and is a better person because of it
_| | Vampire Like
--- sidenote: Sounds suspiciously like Cyan, but I'm guessing thats not what was in mind.
_| * Other characters
_| | likely from other planets
_| | we may have enough human characters for now
--- sidenote: I don't think we do, but we'll work it out.
-- === Environment ===
_| * Planets
_| | there will be five(ish) planets, and two time lines
_| - Earth
_| | Earth will be the planet you start on, in a current, or slightly future time.
_| - Orisus
_| | The tiny planet with a bunch of gravity will be here, populated by dwarves and elves, and it will contain an evil elf named Has'Neledak... possible idea, not yet necessary
_| - other planets
_| | considering a planet of elves
_| | any other planets can exist depending on need/circumstance
_| | a space station should be present somewhere, either orbiting Earth, or in the middle of nowhere, built either by Humans, or Elves.
_| * Time
_| | Two times, one during present, and one thats several years in the future (10, 25, whatever)
_| | Begin in Present, on Earth
_| | After that, is undetermined, either spend lots of time in future, or half the game in the present. Perhaps a past time... nothing more than ideas at this point
_| | Potential for Paradoxes, because loads of fun can be had with Paradoxes.
-- === Game Mechanics ===
_| * Battles
_| | No traditional limit to number of characters. Limit is simply the number of people in your party at any given time.
_| | possibly turn based, would be simple, undecided at this time
-- === SideQuests ===
_| | something about Lycanthropes
Did I forget anything? let me know... next time everyones on the chat room, I'll make another one of these.
Last edited by Kryton87; 11-29-2006 at 05:11 AM. Reason: whoops, didn't finish.
The project that was awesome, has fallen apart... oh well.
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