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...which is why if someone is caught wearing a bullet proof vest they can be charged
... what?
it was a bad way of saying yes you're right, by that logic there is no such thing as self defense. self defense is using force against force
... no duh. That's what I said: by your logic, there would be no such thing as self-defense. Self-defense is using force to protect yourself. If you can't pull a gun, you can't throw a punch or push someone off of you, either. Those are all acts of aggression.

If you went to the source I gave you'd realize it's also on a respected Illinois facts page. I just remembered that the numbers themselves were the ones in the film.
Too bad Michael Moore edited the US numbers to include legally justified homicides (self-defense, etc.) to bump the numbers up an extra couple thousand. Very legitimate.