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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
    - they are copied CDs (buy a new one)
    FYI Diablo II : LOD is dirt cheap these days (both games come in at around £4 in Eng-ger-land). If all else fails buying a new copy will be a very viable option. AFAIK B.net only checks LOD CD keys, not Diablo keys. At any rate, if the CD-key has been stolen, buying a new game will give you a brand spanking new one to use.
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    Oh it was a sad day for the Ancients last night. DrSRL (who can't kill the non-undead) and his not so powerful merc defeated the Ancients yesterday. Oh it was sad. My merc is not wearing the best equipment in the world, and was at level 25. But at least I know it can be done now.

    So I did a few other things by myself yesterday, and I have a question. Are the some super uniques in the game that refuse to target you merc? Or did Hephasto just really like me yesterday? I had to run in circles around my merc while my merc hacked away at Hephasto, who never ever noticed my merc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    So I did a few other things by myself yesterday, and I have a question. Are the some super uniques in the game that refuse to target you merc? Or did Hephasto just really like me yesterday? I had to run in circles around my merc while my merc hacked away at Hephasto, who never ever noticed my merc.
    It's complicated to say the least. Each player-sided target has a different "hate" number associated with them. What this means is that a monster will tend to target the closest target that it wishes on it's "hierachy of hate". Most standard monsters will usually target mercs, minions then you. However Super Uniques and Bosses are an exception. They generally tend to have a much higher hate against your character. This is to stop summoners cheap-killing monsters that are supposed to be hard. You can get them to go after your minions if you yourself are a fair distance away. When I say fair, I mean a screen's length. If you can just about see the monster you're trying to kill then they'll usually go after your minions. Note however that as soon as your minions are all dead they'll make a bee-line for you, and you'll have to get that same distance away again.
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    No one is posting. So here is a random update on my Diablo II experience.

    I have one of the two high runes I will use for a Grief for my SRLlycan. However, I recently saw something on attack speed and found that a druid will swing a Berserker Axe faster than an Ettin Axe, and with the slower attack speed of a werewolf, my druid needs all the attack speed he can get. And thus I will not be using my Ettin Axe for the Grief and instead will be looking for a Berserker Axe. So if anyone stumbles upon a Berserker Axe, either with five or no sockets, would you mind holding onto it for me, I can use the nightmare socketing quest to give it five sockets. And I almost have another keyset, so that's a second high rune. Also, I would suggest to any shape shifting Druid that when you get Lycanthropy to high enough enough levels that you switch to Heart of Wolverine. Especially in hell, Oak Sage dieing can kill you.

    DrSRL can finally damage everything now, although the animation for Fists of Heaven is terribly long for just hitting one target if you aren't in a group of undead monsters. And I was going to put points into Sanctuary for the undead aspect of my character, but I recently came across a few runewords that I had previously overlooked because this is only my second Paladin and I wasn't familiar with all of their skills. Lawbringer gives a lv 16-18 Sanctuary aura when equipped, and it's pretty dirt cheap to make. So say hello to a decently powerful Conviction aura when this build gets further along. And I also read somewhere that on my Prayer merc, if I give him an Insight, his Prayer will synergize with the Mediation aura of the Insight. If I give him a +2 to skills helm/armor, that will max his prayer at level 75. With my Cleansing synergized by my own maxed Prayer, it will be the equivalent of 3 maxed Prayers going on at the same time when I have Cleansing going (which is usually).

    With the addition of a Crown of Thieves for SRLmartyr, he now has enough life leech to survive the life leech restriction in hell. If I come across Griswold's weapon, I can socket that with three or four Amn runes and free up some of my other items with life leech for something better. If I get it with four I can free up most everything else.

    So, I am making a singing Barb. Actually I already made a singing Barb, but I fudged him up (luckily he's only at lv 12) and I am making another one. If I can delete the character and remake him with the same name, then his name will stay SRLtroubadour, but if not then I have to think of a new one. My strategy with this barb was to use Leap Attack to position myself in the middle of monsters, which would nudge them a bit away from where I landed, and then spam War Cry until they die. For physical immunes, I was going to put a point into Berserk, and rely on +skills and the synergy of a maxed Howl for semi-decent magic damage. However, that would have gone something like this:

    +20 Howl, Taunt, Battle Cry, War Cry, Battle Orders
    +1 Shout, Battle Command, Find Potion, Find Item, Weapon Master of choice, Increase Stamina, Increase Speed, Iron Skin, Natural Resistance, Leap, Leap Attack, Bash, Stun, Concentrate, Berserk

    If you were counting, that is 115 skill points, which is not possible. And thus I would have to sacrifice either four synergy points to War Cry or have a level 16 Battle Orders (at level 99 that is, but lets be optimistic). Yeah, I could give up the Find abilities and a few of the Increases, but why? That's kind of like a Sorc giving up Warmth and Teleport, it's just not right. And I have found that with this game, a lot of things are possible with the right set up, and I came across a way to be able to have everything I want maxed and still have Berserk. While noticing the Lawbringer runeword, I also noticed the Passion runeword, which grants +1 to Berserk, and again is dirt cheap to make. Only +1 to Berserk never really interested me so I always overlooked it, but since that is what I'm doing with this build anyway it's perfect. If I were to equip this, I would save myself 4 skill points, which is just enough for this build. Also, while reviewing the effect of Sanctuary, I realize that it lets the user ignore the phyical immunity of undead monster, and about 85% of physical immunes are undead. There is one none-undead in act 2, and like 4 or 5 in act 5. Not to mention decent elemental damage on the Lawbringer. So on weapon switch I could duel wield a Lawbringer and Passion swords, and there would be nothing immune to me in the game at all. I've never come up with a build like that before, I'm a little proud of myself. So my build now looks like so:

    +20 Howl, Taunt, Battle Cry, War Cry, Battle Orders
    +1 Shout, Battle Command, Find Potion, Find Item, Sword Master, Increase Stamina, Increase Speed, Iron Skin, Natural Resistance, Leap, Leap Attack

    The skill quests will take care of all of the one pointers. So at level 80 I can have maxed War Cry, Battle Cry, Howl, and 10 to Taunt and Battle Orders (or 15 and 5 one way or the other, not sure yet). Then I would max Taunt and finally Battle Orders. I'm thinking this would make a rather decent MFer too. I've never really played with a Barb past level 40, I kind of get bored with them. But I think this one will work for me, there are a lot of interesting things to play with here.

    So as you can tell I'm bored at work. If someone could give me an xfer to strip the barb I fudged up, that would be cool. Also, apb for a berserker axe, SRLlycan is so close to being perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    So if anyone stumbles upon a Berserker Axe, either with five or no sockets, would you mind holding onto it for me, I can use the nightmare socketing quest to give it five sockets.
    No, it will give you six, since that is the max. To socket it and hope for five, you have to use the socketing recipe for white weapons: Ral, Amn, Perfect Amethyst. It cannot be used on Superior, Damaged, or Cracked items. It can be used on Ethereal items.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    Lawbringer gives a lv 16-18 Sanctuary aura when equipped, and it's pretty dirt cheap to make.
    Amn Lem Ko is not cheap. Lem is rather difficult to find.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    If I come across Griswold's weapon, I can socket that with three or four Amn runes and free up some of my other items with life leech for something better. If I get it with four I can free up most everything else.
    I think I have one, but I have to look it up later.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    If I can delete the character and remake him with the same name, then his name will stay SRLtroubadour, but if not then I have to think of a new one.
    You can.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    If you were counting, that is 115 skill points, which is not possible. And thus I would have to sacrifice either four synergy points to War Cry or have a level 16 Battle Orders (at level 99 that is, but lets be optimistic). Yeah, I could give up the Find abilities and a few of the Increases, but why?
    Because Item Find isn't exactly a priority for Singers. Neither is the Leap portion of the BCombat skills tree. That's -2 from not getting Item Find, -3 from not using Leaps. Singers don't exactly need Berserk, because al Barbarians should know just to give up when Physical Immunes are involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    While noticing the Lawbringer runeword, I also noticed the Passion runeword, which grants +1 to Berserk, and again is dirt cheap to make. Only +1 to Berserk never really interested me so I always overlooked it, but since that is what I'm doing with this build anyway it's perfect.
    You could do that. You won't need Sword Mastery; believe me when I tell you this. The only mastery you'll need is Iron Skin and Natural Resistance. Increased speed is unnecessary with Enigma. Don't worry, I have a spare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
    No, it will give you six, since that is the max. To socket it and hope for five, you have to use the socketing recipe for white weapons: Ral, Amn, Perfect Amethyst. It cannot be used on Superior, Damaged, or Cracked items. It can be used on Ethereal items.
    Ok, here's the thing. One of my friends said that this is the case, it will give max sockets. But it has a 4os cap in normal and 5os cap in nightmare. Don't know if this is true, but I have seen this work once, and he swears by this. One of our members (maybe Cruise Control, not sure) was helping me with stuff, and I found a Colossus Voluge in hell. It must have had a high enough ilvl for at least 5os if not six. We made a normal game, used the socket quest, got 4os, and he told me that was going to happen before it happened, swore to me. Don't know what happened, and I've read that nothing matters, it will give you max sockets unless the ilvl is really really low, but then I see this happen. So, I don't want to waste a socket quest on it, because I'm not saying he's right, but I'm also not saying that my friend is wrong. I don't know. I guess I'll use the weapon socket formula on it, but if I do end up wasting the socket quest and it gets 6os, I can sell it for a hr or two, or give it to you to use for one of your runewords that you like so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel
    Amn Lem Ko is not cheap. Lem is rather difficult to find.
    Hehe, you haven't done as many Countess runs as I have apparently, I've found at least 8.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel
    Because Item Find isn't exactly a priority for Singers. Neither is the Leap portion of the BCombat skills tree. That's -2 from not getting Item Find, -3 from not using Leaps.
    And, there are a lot of things that various classes use just because they have them. Sorcs could live without Warmth and Teleport, but any Sorc would be stupid not to put a point into them. Yes those have more to do with combat that Find Item, but why would you say no to a free item? And I explained why I'm using Leap Attack, and that's only two points not three.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel
    Singers don't exactly need Berserk, because al Barbarians should know just to give up when Physical Immunes are involved.
    I never thought of you as defeatist.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel
    You could do that. You won't need Sword Mastery; believe me when I tell you this. The only mastery you'll need is Iron Skin and Natural Resistance. Increased speed is unnecessary with Enigma. Don't worry, I have a spare.
    Thanks for that btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeeDRankLou View Post
    Ok, here's the thing. One of my friends said that this is the case, it will give max sockets. But it has a 4os cap in normal and 5os cap in nightmare. Don't know if this is true, but I have seen this work once, and he swears by this. One of our members (maybe Cruise Control, not sure) was helping me with stuff, and I found a Colossus Voluge in hell. It must have had a high enough ilvl for at least 5os if not six. We made a normal game, used the socket quest, got 4os, and he told me that was going to happen before it happened, swore to me. Don't know what happened, and I've read that nothing matters, it will give you max sockets unless the ilvl is really really low, but then I see this happen. So, I don't want to waste a socket quest on it, because I'm not saying he's right, but I'm also not saying that my friend is wrong. I don't know. I guess I'll use the weapon socket formula on it, but if I do end up wasting the socket quest and it gets 6os, I can sell it for a hr or two, or give it to you to use for one of your runewords that you like so much.

    And, there are a lot of things that various classes use just because they have them. Sorcs could live without Warmth and Teleport, but any Sorc would be stupid not to put a point into them. Yes those have more to do with combat that Find Item, but why would you say no to a free item? And I explained why I'm using Leap Attack, and that's only two points not three.

    I never thought of you as defeatist.
    tl;dr, it always gives max sockets, except in rare cases. CVs have a max of four.

    Because it's too many skills. I was calculating WW, by accident. BtV was also making one [a Singer Barbarian], so he probably has alot of the items I gave him, if he's not active.

    It takes me long enough to kill an enemy WITH Berserk or Frenzy w/ Berserk synergies without dying; you think I would advocate 1% Magic damage for a non-primary attack skill? EXP > Skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavrobel View Post
    it always gives max sockets, except in rare cases. CVs have a max of four.

    Because it's too many skills. I was calculating WW, by accident. BtV was also making one [a Singer Barbarian], so he probably has alot of the items I gave him, if he's not active.

    It takes me long enough to kill an enemy WITH Berserk or Frenzy w/ Berserk synergies without dying; you think I would advocate 1% Magic damage for a non-primary attack skill? EXP > Skills.
    So it does, my bad. Alright, I'll stick with what I read and not use the socketing quest, thanks for the correction.

    Not too many skills, now it's just enough Even if it will take FOREVER to reach it, and I'll probably get bored with it before it happens.

    1% Magic Damage? Without any +skills it would end up being a total of 300% damage right? Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but whatever the case, War Cry will stun physical immunes, so I'll plenty of time to determine if I'm doing next to no damage and need to run. I'll be safe.

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    Any item with an ilvl over 40 will automatically be eligible for the maximum amount of sockets. This essentially means that any Elite item will get the maximum amount of sockets it can, except for when a Low Quality Item is upgraded to a Normal item, in which case the ilvl is set at 1 and the maximum number of sockets drops accordingly. In the case of a CV, it would result in a maximum amount of sockets of 3. In all other cases, the maximum it can get is four. When you actually do the socketing quest has no bearing whatsoever on the maximum number of sockets you can gain. A socket quest in Normal will give you the same amount of sockets as in Hell. Same goes for the random sockets cube recipe.
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    What's the Socket Recipe?

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    It's different per item. They are all the same, besides substituting certain runes and Gems. There's a list of them under the "Horadric Cube" section at Arreat's, for Armor, Shields, Helms, and Weapons.

    Berserk has a 1% Magic Damage conversion synergy to almost all of the attack skills.

    Also, the Stun does not work on Act end bosses, and has a reduced effectiveness against Uniques/Champions.

    EDIT: SRL, I found the Griswold's Weapon. It's only got three sockets.
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