Who's better.

[Garnie]

Coud of course but there both awesome!

[TyphoonThaReapa]

A'yo, I don't even know what'sup with asking this question anymore! You know what? The hell with it! Fayt Leingod fron Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time would win. Jin Kazama from Tekken would win. Hell Tidus would kick both of there asses by himself if you think about it! And I'm not mad at anybody so don't take it personally. But there are others things to talk about besides Squall and Cloud beating the hell out each other. But just for the sake of the existance of this thread........
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Squall would win...:evilking:

[Alex151]

A'yo, I don't even know what'sup with asking this question anymore! You know what? The hell with it! Fayt Leingod fron Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time would win. Jin Kazama from Tekken would win. Hell Tidus would kick both of there asses by himself if you think about it! And I'm not mad at anybody so don't take it personally. But there are others things to talk about besides Squall and Cloud beating the hell out each other. But just for the sake of the existance of this thread........
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Squall would win...:evilking:

its too hard for us too vote on this because we're fanboys of different games, you love 8 so naturally you'll pick Squall, and I love 7 so of course I'd pick Cloud, unless you look at it how PuPu did.

but honestly you cant tell me, magic and all special abilities aside, that squall could beat cloud

[TyphoonThaReapa]

from the archives, and prolly the reason I'm called a Squall fanboy today... my 3rd ever thread, and 4th post ever here

sheesh, this is kinda a stupid topic, for many, many reasons, and also because you can't really speculate about it.

Firstly, Sephiroth is not better than Cloud, nor can he ever be, Sephiroth is worse than every character you can have in your party. Seriously think about it, any character can do 9999, he can't do that or he'd kill you one hit, just the fact that he's not on your team means he is weaker, more health, but everything else weaker.

Seifer works the same way.

Now as for Cloud vs. Squall, i c no point in arguing it. Someone said GFs versus Materia, well i think it's obvious there. Materia decreases some stats and raises others, while GFs are only used to help your characters, so obviously GFs in FFVIII are better for the characters than the materia is.

Squall vs. Cloud... sheesh this is funny, why were these the two chosen characters out of every single FF game ever made?

I mean honestly... oh and by the way for all you Sephiroth Fans, KEFKA was the best enemy, he was just crazy cool, and his song, and his laugh, yeah he was crazy, I mean he changed the entire world, just damn crazy.

SO as for the topic of cloud vs. Squall, obviously you're gonna have them both at their best, and it's easier to max stats in FFVIII than in FFVII though I did in both. Obviously they're gonna have their best weapons, and obviously they're gonna have their best materia/GF.

But honestly people, if you're just going with limit breaks, I do think Lion Heart is better, but when Cloud does a limit break, you know he'll do Omnislash, when Squall does, it's random, and he may never actually do it, so by limit break alone, Cloud is better for the actual move, Squall is better because he can use it more often... and in FFVIII Squall's gunblade actually ends up hurting him... If you ever max stats with everyone... everyone doess 9999 no matter what, and he only does it with correct triggering, so, in that way it hurts him... personally I think Squall was a cooler character and liked his development better than Cloud's. Cloud is what he is because someone made him that way, Squall is what he is because he pushed himself to that point, he fought for it, and he earned it. Squall is by far a cooler main character, but sadly thinking about it, if for some random reason they fought automatically using their best attacks completely maxed out, they'd each do 1 damage a hit, honestly. They'd both do 1 damage roughly cause strength 255 and defense 255, so yeah. I mean when I maxed stats even Sephiroth was only doing a few hundred and Ultimicea was as well, in fact, Omega weapon couldn't hurt me enough in FFVIII and Ruby and Emerald couldn't in FFVII

btw, I think Lionheart owns Omnislash, so Squall

THE JACKAL

The above quotes speak of stats of the actual games.By looking and reading this, their about the same here...

I quote myself from a previous thread about this topic...

Squall would win. While Cloud is busy worring about whether he's actually who he thinks he is or whining about how much he hates himself because he let some girl die in front of him that he might love but then again he might be responding to his image of the man who saved him who he very well believes to be him which goes back to him wondering if he's actually who he thinks he is...and well you get the idea how messed up in the head he is. Squall would come by, slice his head off and walk away saying "whatever..."

Also, Squall technically has more expierience and training than Cloud does. Squall was raised as a child soldier while Cloud seemed to join Shinra around the age of sixteen. Also Cloud only had basic training. He never got into SOLDIER his abnormal strength comes from the Jenova cells injected into him after the Nibilheim disaster. As for Squall, we don't know how powerful the Junction system makes him. Judging from Laguna's response though, it is inhuman power, so it's safe to say Squall could go blow for blow with Cloud.

The above quote speaks of life training obviously making squall superior in the department...

A'yo, I don't even know what'sup with asking this question anymore! You know what? The hell with it! Fayt Leingod fron Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time would win. Jin Kazama from Tekken would win. Hell Tidus would kick both of there asses by himself if you think about it! And I'm not mad at anybody so don't take it personally. But there are others things to talk about besides Squall and Cloud beating the hell out each other. But just for the sake of the existance of this thread........
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its too hard for us too vote on this because we're fanboys of different games, you love 8 so naturally you'll pick Squall, and I love 7 so of course I'd pick Cloud, unless you look at it how PuPu did.

but honestly you cant tell me, magic and all special abilities aside, that squall could beat cloud

And you say Squall can't beat Cloud without magic, limit breaks and all that other crap? Squall would beat the hell out of Cloud son. Sorry if that hurts...:evilking:

[Alex151]

yeah squall may have been training at a younger age, but cloud is also a few years older than Squall, plus SeeD is not as tough of an organization to get into anyways, SOLDIER is a stronger organization and a lot tougher to get 1st class, plus the enemies that cloud fights throughout the game are harder, the game itself is harder. Ultimecia was very Easy, all she had was an annoying 8 different stages (not sure of the exact amount) Sephiroth had only 3 stages i think and was still a tougher boss to beat. Dont get me wrong I love Squall, 8 was my favorite game forever, but Squall just couldn't pull through it against Cloud

[TyphoonThaReapa]

A'yo, honestly, I doesn't matter what kind and how many enemies ether of them defeated. At the beginnig of both games, before you even started the first battle, Squall's stats are better. So without magic, without experience, without other party members, Squall would murder Cloud. And even if they did had all of that other stuff, It has already been proven by statistics that Squall would win.

[Alex151]

I feel like a nerd for real lol, but I can't sit here and believe that Squall would beat Cloud, the beggining of the game doesn't count, stats are basically random and set for the beggining fights, it's how you get better that counts, and I wouldn't go by statistics anyways, I'd just go by an all out fight, because if they would have made all the stats realistic then sephiroth would kill everyone in one hit. You can't go by AC because if you did it would be no contest, because It's years after 7 and we havent seen Squall years after 8.

If you look at it from all aspects go by emotion, and agility and all that, then Cloud would surely win., Squall doesnt have the attitude to beat cloud, he is too depressed at everything and has no reason to fight for half the game, Cloud is always fired up about something, in the game anyways, and when he fights(taken from the movie) he is very agile, jumping around all over, Squall is just a side to side fighter, he doesnt hop around at all, Cloud would be too quick for him, he'd tire him down and win.

That's Looking at it from a non statistical point

[TyphoonThaReapa]

You've gotta be kidding. A non statistic view? Games are all about statistics. A'yo, let's say this battle is real life. No magic or none of that, and it's just them two. First of all, nobody in their right mind would go emo in the middle of a fight in real life. Secondly, if this was real life, with human strenght, agility, etc. Cloud wouldn't even be able to lift his weapon let alone swing it. Squall would slice him up so quick, we'll be eat Cloud's Lever for dinner. Squall would win from a non statistic point of view no doubt.

[Alex151]

You've gotta be kidding. A non statistic view? Games are all about statistics. A'yo, let's say this battle is real life. No magic or none of that, and it's just them two. First of all, nobody in their right mind would go emo in the middle of a fight in real life. Secondly, if this was real life, with human strenght, agility, etc. Cloud wouldn't even be able to lift his weapon let alone swing it. Squall would slice him up so quick, we'll be eat Cloud's Lever for dinner. Squall would win from a non statistic point of view no doubt.

hahaha true about the emo part, but I mean in their world, their gravity level has to be lower than ours because they jump in the air 50 feet and all that, cloud's weapon wouldnt be as heavy. Squall just wouldnt know what to do after cloud hopped around him all over the place, And yeah all games are based an stats but these are two totally different game, stats arent gonne be built on the same level in every Final Fantasy.


and to end our argument, lets just say that both of them could woop on Zidane

[PuPu]

and to end our argument, lets just say that both of them could woop on Zidane

Sorry buddy, but by saying that, you now start a new argument.

Zidane is just a strong, maybe even stronger than either of them. In FF9, it was said that Garland made Zidane to be stronger than Kuja. Well, in one part, Kuja took a Mega Flare from Bahamut with barely a scratch! This would mean that Zidane is stronger than that. I somehow doubt that Cloud or Squall could take a hit from Mega Flare like that. Though power may not always mean victory in a fight, neither Cloud nor Squall could easily beat Zidane like you assume.

[TyphoonThaReapa]

and to end our argument, lets just say that both of them could woop on Zidane

Sorry buddy, but by saying that, you now start a new argument.

Zidane is just a strong, maybe even stronger than either of them. In FF9, it was said that Garland made Zidane to be stronger than Kuja. Well, in one part, Kuja took a Mega Flare from Bahamut with barely a scratch! This would mean that Zidane is stronger than that. I somehow doubt that Cloud or Squall could take a hit from Mega Flare like that. Though power may not always mean victory in a fight, neither Cloud nor Squall could easily beat Zidane like you assume.

Sorry, as much as I hate Zidane, he's right. Now I don't like Tidus ether, but he would bet Squall, Cloud and Zidane due to FFX's battle system.

[f f freak]

Neither would win. Cloud would cry over Aeris being dead and Squall would cry over Ellone leaving him when he was like five. After a couple of years crying they would get together, go off and have gay sex with each other. Zell would join them.

[Hazzard]

I don't know why the hell you lot are judging by movies, and battle system, because if you gave everyone a battle system like XII, and based it in that world, I'm sure Squall would win. It's debatable that Cloud can handle that sword, because he does have enhanced strength, but come on, Squall is just as fast but with a more lethal weapon. I wouldn't think Cloud's agility would be top notch, and would be surely caught off guard. Zidane would probably kill both their asses, if you just look at the guy's pace, and he's an animal for god's sake! Tidus? I don't know why you even mentioned him, because he would be getting sliced in half in a matter of seconds. The guy has no experience at all, and just watches the 'Great' Auron.

By the way, Auron would destroy all of them.

[Alex151]

Alright alright, I can agree with zidane, hes smaller and more agile than either squall and cloud, and maybe stronger, it was never proved in the game though.

How exactly is Squall's weapon more lethal, now dont get me wrong here either, I love the gunblade, but Cloud's sword is twice as big and a full swing from it would throw squall back. If squall wants to shoot, well it's not like Cloud can't block or dodge the bullets, he did in AC pretty easily. I wouldn't say the Gunblade is more lethal at all.


FF freak i can't agree with you at all, both are far from gay, Tidus and Cait Sith might have gay sex but definitely not Squall or Cloud lol.

Hazard, Tidus is stronger than Auron in the end of the game, Auron... I won't deny that he was a pretty bad ass character, and would put up a good fight, but not against Cloud or Squall.

If it was a battle system like 12's Squall probably would win, because all you do is stand there and hit each other back and forth, it's a little more advanced than the other games but it's still pretty basic, just not as annoying with the battles popping out of no where. But back to the point, you cant get and accurate view from thatany more than you could from the other games, it could show that either one might have a stronger attack, and that one might have more skills than the other, and Squall has more skills with his weapon, but if it was in movie format, and they could hop around and actually move, I'd still give it to Cloud.

So basically I'll even this out, if you put the two head to head against each other, Maybe Squall would win... maybe. But if it was more lifelike, and they could move wherever and whenever, then Cloud would win.

[Rocket Edge]

ljkkjlcm9 a makes good & honest review of the two characters.

I'll go with Squall.

Squall VS Cloud is like, a personality contest, because these characters when compared to each other strike a love/hate reaction for and against, so it's hard for some people to give an honest judgement.