Phoenix Wright: Ace Attourney

[Raistlin]

A poorly made game with no redeemable qualities, yes.

[Rye]

Wesley, stop it. Next thing you'll be insulting Princess Snow Peach, dammit! ;_;

[Jessweeee♪]

If I thought it would be like real court, I wouldn't have bought it, silly.

I just finished episode four. Game credits make me so emotional ;.;

That's the one complaint I have. This, like so many other DS games, is so short. I've just got one last episode to go ;.;

[Agent Proto]

The game was not meant to portray the real American Legal System. It was developed in Japan, and based it off the legal system there. The game was meant to be fun and not taken seriously.

Anyway, the first two cases are extremely easy and cheesy. But it gets a bit harder in the later cases.

[Raistlin]

The game was not meant to portray the real American Legal System. It was developed in Japan, and based it off the legal system there.

You don't form arguments, you just find items as in any boring detective game and shout "Objection" in a court full of disgustingly bad testimony until you find the point where the game, almost arbitrarily, decides there's an actual problem. And then the witness completely changes his testimony though is somehow still considered completely credible and you're screwed again until you find the next arbitrary "mistake."

I doubt that's the legal system in Japan.

The game was meant to be fun and not taken seriously.

Anyway, the first two cases are extremely easy and cheesy. But it gets a bit harder in the later cases.

Harder as in some item might be stashed in a hard-to-see compartment or a key witness is in a secret room, or harder in that the moment you're supposed to "Object" is even more completely arbitrary and baseless? You don't even have to know why you're objecting. You just object and the game makes most of the argument for you.

[Jessweeee♪]

Curse you, Raistlin, for souring the mood of my thread dedicated to His Aceness.

I'm just a teensy bit into part five now, and it's...different...I liked the opening scene a lot n.n

Did I mention how much I like the music here? Very dramatic n.n

[Ishin Ookami]

The game was not meant to portray the real American Legal System. It was developed in Japan, and based it off the legal system there.

You don't form arguments, you just find items as in any boring detective game and shout "Objection" in a court full of disgustingly bad testimony until you find the point where the game, almost arbitrarily, decides there's an actual problem. And then the witness completely changes his testimony though is somehow still considered completely credible and you're screwed again until you find the next arbitrary "mistake."

I doubt that's the legal system in Japan.

The game was meant to be fun and not taken seriously.

Anyway, the first two cases are extremely easy and cheesy. But it gets a bit harder in the later cases.

Harder as in some item might be stashed in a hard-to-see compartment or a key witness is in a secret room, or harder in that the moment you're supposed to "Object" is even more completely arbitrary and baseless? You don't even have to know why you're objecting. You just object and the game makes most of the argument for you.

The fun in the phoenix wright titles is picking apart the testimony of the witness, comparing it with the evidence and facts that you have, and busting up their lies with the facts. There is a logic to the proceedings, even if the judge himself is an idiot. You just need to do something called thinking in order to figure out the right moment, and the right evidence to present, or not present in some instances, in order to make the case go your way.

But yah, the games rock and I can't wait for the third.

[Raistlin]

The fun in the phoenix wright titles is picking apart the testimony of the witness

You don't "pick apart" more as pick the correct time to "object."

comparing it with the evidence and facts that you have

Which is usually irrelevent.

and busting up their lies with the facts.

Which then does nothing in most cases.

[bipper]

Well it is a good thing the Magic in Final Fantasy portrays that of reality, otherwise that would have been a silly, silly franchise.

[Ishin Ookami]

The fun in the phoenix wright titles is picking apart the testimony of the witness

You don't "pick apart" more as pick the correct time to "object."

comparing it with the evidence and facts that you have

Which is usually irrelevent.

and busting up their lies with the facts.

Which then does nothing in most cases.

A: You try to pick the right time to object, which is likely why you don't enjoy it as that is pretty much missing the point.

B: how is the evidence irrelevant?

C: Id hardly call winning the case and solving the mysteries at hand "doing nothing"

You obviously don't like them, don't get them, don't want to try to get them. You remind me of a FF fanboy poo pooing Nippon Ichi titles for not being all cinematic. Or a Advent Children fanboy declaring Spirits Within to be the worst cinematic endeavor since Plan 9 from outer space. you don't like em, fine. But make a better argument then that plz.

[samboo1]

Well it is a good thing the Magic in Final Fantasy portrays that of reality, otherwise that would have been a silly, silly franchise.

[Raistlin]

Well it is a good thing the Magic in Final Fantasy portrays that of reality, otherwise that would have been a silly, silly franchise.

My main point is not that it is unrealistic (though the "legal system" in it is disgusting). My point is that it involves the game being poorly made and overly simplistic and dumbed-down.

C: Id hardly call winning the case and solving the mysteries at hand "doing nothing"

Oh, that happens eventually. But the first few rounds the witness just completely changes the story to match the new evidence, yet remains completely reliable and it's portrayed as yet again another hopeless situation until... wait! you object just at the right time or pick the correct piece of evidence, and the game makes the argument for you.

You remind me of a FF fanboy poo pooing Nippon Ichi titles for not being all cinematic. Or a Advent Children fanboy declaring Spirits Within to be the worst cinematic endeavor since Plan 9 from outer space.

Ad hominem. I can do it too! Let's see: you remind me of a rabid Sephiroth fanboy who can't bear to see his dear gray-haired lover besmirched in any way. That actually seems to relate to this, though I just wanted to say "besmirched."

you don't like em, fine. But make a better argument then that plz.

So wait... you don't require any reason to like it, but I have to have an argument to dislike it? Well I do, as shown above, and it is a rather reasoned, coherent argument. I never said anything about people who like the game, merely simply posted my thoughts on the game, though you seem rather defensive about it.

[Ishin Ookami]

dude, your complaining about realism in video games. That pretty much brands you a hater. You don't like the story, don't like the controls, setup, length, graphics, sound, ect. Hey, thats groovy. welcome to your opinion. But complaining about lack of realism... thats just petty. It's kinda obvious your just itching for an argument. I'd suggest anyone just ignoring your complaints until they get a bit more well thought out and less banal, lest a flame war erupt and this thread die.

[Goldenboko]

FOR THE NINE MILLIONTH TIME!

Games aren't meant to be real, they're meant to be fun, there I said it.

[Jessweeee♪]

FOR THE NINE MILLIONTH TIME!

Games aren't meant to be real, they're meant to be fun, there I said it.

COURT IS BORING! His Aceness makes it fun n.n