New theories

[MJN SEIFER]

Just answer me one question: How many forums, online communities and message boards were you laughed out of before coming here?

Psi, please stop talking to yourself...

[atlanteay]

FE is back!! EoFF is 'normal' again

these theories. I must praise you on your creativity and ability to find enough clues and come up with them. You just didn't put in enough evidence to prove your theories. I'd like to see the reasoning behind them.

[ReloadPsi]

Just answer me one question: How many forums, online communities and message boards were you laughed out of before coming here?

Psi, please stop talking to yourself...

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[Future Esthar]

This game was developed by a completely different team because it was being developed nearly AT THE SAME TIME than FFVIII

Maybe they talked to each other.If it was at nearly the same time then the evidence is higher don´t you think?I heard the team of CC was involved on FF8´s FMV.

And,PSI,I was banished from FFgurus.

[Ramza Beoulve]

Actually, two teams working at the same time have less time to talk about their games, maybe one or two points about graphics, but about GRAPHICS, or technical data, not the history, not the theories in the game, not the actions in them. Theories and technical development are completely different things.

Take out the development things like 3D graphics, music, anything that has noting to do with the history in the videogame, because those things are based around the technology of the time in videogames.

Anyways, the Chrono team have been working in the space-time theories since Chrono Trigger, four years before FFVIII.

Hironobu Sakaguchi, producer of a lot of square games, father of the Final Fantasy series, and one of the co-founders of Square Co., participated in FFVIII AND in Chrono Trigger, but NOT in Chrono Cross. Sakaguchi, also, loves to work with different theories and situations in his games, as everyone can see, but Chrono Cross was developed to continue on the Chrono series, not the Final Fantasy ones. Maybe FFVIII has something to do with the theories managed in Chrono Trigger, but they are Theories that everyone can use for anything, even fan fiction.

[Hambone]

1-I start to believe there is dimensional travel on FF8.I refused to believe it during many time despite Gilgamesh´s lines.
But I can see a better picture of FF8 now.Time is not set in stone.
I always believed that our characters were supposed to fuse to
be turned into sorceress Adel.It is supposed to happen at the prision but they managed to escape.So how can Adel exist on the future?
That is because Esthar is a future on a different dimension than the other eras.It is a "lost" future.Let´s call that dimension the A dimension (A from Adel).This is also Ulti´s dimension.You can access it on the beach on Edea´s house.Now that I think about it,wasn´t there a small light on the floor?
Or maybe Ulti´s timeline is a third dimension?
Let´s call it U dimension.And the standard dimension will be the S dimension.
2-I wonder whether Rinoa is a clone of Ellone or the other way around?I believe the first thing.
She was meant to save our characters at the prision by sending Zell´s consciousness to the past.That way,dimension S came to exist.
Which means I don´t believe on the cyborg thing anymore.

How many hours on this game do you have? How many files do you have?

[ragnosica]

Actually, two teams working at the same time have less time to talk about their games, maybe one or two points about graphics, but about GRAPHICS, or technical data, not the history, not the theories in the game, not the actions in them. Theories and technical development are completely different things.

Take out the development things like 3D graphics, music, anything that has noting to do with the history in the videogame, because those things are based around the technology of the time in videogames.

Anyways, the Chrono team have been working in the space-time theories since Chrono Trigger, four years before FFVIII.

Hironobu Sakaguchi, producer of a lot of square games, father of the Final Fantasy series, and one of the co-founders of Square Co., participated in FFVIII AND in Chrono Trigger, but NOT in Chrono Cross. Sakaguchi, also, loves to work with different theories and situations in his games, as everyone can see, but Chrono Cross was developed to continue on the Chrono series, not the Final Fantasy ones. Maybe FFVIII has something to do with the theories managed in Chrono Trigger, but they are Theories that everyone can use for anything, even fan fiction.

*tip hat*

[Ramza Beoulve]

Oh yeah, and something I nearly forgot. Sakaguchi was working in Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within at the time. That caused that Yoshinori Kitase had to be asigned as the leader of the FFVIII team, and Sakaguchi worked only sometimes with the team, making the possibilities of employing Sakaguchi's time theories to go really down, and later Shinji Hashimoto was assigned in Sakaguchi's Executive Producer post half the way in the creation of FFVIII, changing some of the script and the history of it in the process.

Also, Yusuke Naora, the art director of FF VIII, used motion caption in the FMV's, and didn't work with Yasuyuki Honne, the art director of Chrono Cross. Oh, yeah, and this has noting to do with the history and the situations in the games.

[Future Esthar]

I must open a thread on similarities to convince you

[Mirage]

Just do it here. I'm dying from anticipation.

[Future Esthar]

too late now.tired.

[Mirage]

Aw, damn. Please show me later. I've been reading thought most your threads lately. Though some parts seem bizarre, it's all starting to make sense now. You just gotta have a different approach to it, and be more open minded.

[Fatal Impurity]

I think it is more likely that Rinoa is a descendant of Ultimecia, rather than Squall, though that would also explain how Ulti came to be in possession of the Griever GF, hidden in Squall's ring. However, I feel that it would be more symbolic if Rinoa was responsible, her becoming a sorceress and all. And Squall gave her the ring.

As for the Zell/Ultimecia similarity thing... I think that's just pure coincidence. But interesting thought...

Uh.. FE... are we playing the same game?

Rinoa is a part of Ultimecia (not saying Ultimecia is 100% Rinoa though) because like what you said, Squall gave her the ring, Rinoa felt the power and eventually Ultimecia spawned Griever at the end. It seems to make more sense than Rinoa being a descendant of Ultimecia because I don't think that all descendants of Ultimecia would gain to have the same power as Rinoa (gaining Griever GF power), unless Rinoa gave her ring to all of the descendants but I don't think that did happen. If Ultimecia created Griever from someone's mind, but why only Griever, why not something else? Griever GF is probably the only one thing Ultimecia has created, but why?

So I tend to believe that Squall could be more of a part of Ultimecia because of Griever, you know when a GF is equipped, nobody else can't use it. Well squall used it for a long time, but maybe Ultimecia wore the ring as a GF and Griever eventually showed up, but where is Squall from the future (the ring is still alive)? He's probably dead, his ring has fallen to Ultimecia but how did that happen? All I guess is... Rinoa is probably the closest person to Squall to have possession of Griever ring, so thus, Rinoa is Ultimecia or a part of it or you're probably right, each descendant following to the future from the past gave Griever ring to next one, and so on, until ultimecia but idk.


If Gilgamesh went through dimensional travel, then Rinoa may have the chance to do that since she has some power of a sorceress, maybe it's not true but who knows. Adel held Rinoa, was that when Gilgamesh showed up? Would make sense if Rinoa was involved with Gilgamesh.

The reason Griever is summoned by Ultimecia at the end of FF8 is because as its stated all through FF8 (by multiple character's) "Griever, the most powerful/ultimate GF".

Plus i mean how is it possible to scan the mind of somebody or something your a part of? You would instinctively know!

What i want to know is why you never get to summon or see Griever summoned in FF8 until the end? Is it because Squall was unable to summon the GF or was it because he WOULDN'T? Could it of been fear that unleashing Griever could cause unrivaled destruction? Is Griever just a personification of Squall's wild/rebellious/dark side? Or is Griever an entity in and of itself like other GF's? Either way Squall and Griever are unmistakably linked by some force maybe Squall himself is Griever and maybe Griever is his true most powerful form, or maybe it's just the form that Squall's unleashed power takes...

Another thing is how can someone (I.E. Ultimecia in the final fight) junction themselves to a GF? I mean the only things can be junctioned are GF's right? Unless of course Ulti is a GF or maybe Griever isnt a GF but rather an actual independant being...? Or alternatively they are both GF's and it is possible to junction GF's together but with the price of them becoming permanently fused together, which is probably why no one does it in the game ...afterall most people never get more than one GF and thsoe that do probably dont want to screw thier GF's big style.

Anyway all of this speculation/and or theorising...none of it is probably even remotely true but it does get you thinking about the true purpose of Griever within FF8 afterall what reason is there for him to be in the story when for most of the story he either not mentioned or just plain not really important (other than being the most powerful GF).

[Serapy]

Hmm that's interesting

So what do you guys think about the similarity of Zell and Ulti's face scars or tattoos >_> What do they exactly show? It's really weird because none of other characters have those tattoo/face scars, apart from Zell and Utli..

[Ramza Beoulve]

I must open a thread on similarities to convince you

Sure, pick a try.

Anyways, the only similarities I see between them is the technical development, and you can find those similarities in a lot of games at the time. In the situations, they aren't similar, but as you aren't going to convince me, I'm not going to convice you either.

I have stated what I think and that's the only thing I'll do. I will not plead anyone to believe me. This things are like religious and cientific facts. Anyways, they complete themselves, showed here in that Chrono Cross and Final Fantasy VIII are videogames made to be enjoyed by us.

I don't need to convince anyone, because they are free to believe whatever they want, and this include you. But to my eyes, those theories are out of place, but that doesn't matter.

Believe whatever you want, I have said more than enough to prove my facts, and if you want to prove them, just check pages specialized in this games, like chronocompendium.com, where a lot of persons worked in the theories around the Chrono series. And in that page I didn't see anything to do plot-wise with Final Fantasy.

Chrono Cross wasn't made to answer FFVIII plotholes, was made to ANSWER Chrono Trigger plotholes.