Can someone's moral beliefs be stupid?

[Evastio]

If something feels morally wrong for a person for a certain issue, I usually respect those feelings. Unless their opinion and the actions that come from it could somehow end up harming other people.

As for religion affecting moral beliefs, I think it's okay because if that's what they truly believe and they are okay with believing it then others should respect that. Unless it affects others in a negative way (sacrificing other people to their gods, restricting what people can wear, etc.) But if those people that are being affected are okay with it then it's okay.

[Goldenboko]

If something feels morally wrong for a person for a certain issue, I usually respect those feelings. Unless their opinion and the actions that come from it could somehow end up harming other people.

As for religion affecting moral beliefs, I think it's okay because if that's what they truly believe and they are okay with believing it then others should respect that. Unless it affects others in a negative way (sacrificing other people to their gods, restricting what people can wear, etc.) But if those people that are being affected are okay with it then it's okay.

To play Devil's Advocate:

A teenager believes he's gay-> Mom pressures him to 'turn straight' because of her religion-> Boy kills himself.

Doesn't the belief that being gay is wrong, due to religion, indirectly, hurt this young boy?

[Evastio]

To play Devil's Advocate:

A teenager believes he's gay-> Mom pressures him to 'turn straight' because of her religion-> Boy kills himself.

Doesn't the belief that being gay is wrong, due to religion, indirectly, hurt this young boy?

As if I didn't have enough people questioning my beliefs.

If it'd make that boy kill himself I think that his mom shouldn't enforce the rules of her religion on the kid. So basically I think that people should be free to follow their religion as long as they don't enforce it on people that don't want to follow their religion. That goes the same way for non-religious people who want to try to convince others to be non-religious.

[Goldenboko]

To continue to play devil's advocate, what if the similar scenario occurs, but the young boy, kills himself, because he is a highly Christian person, and feels he is a "sin".

[I Am Stoner]

To continue to play devil's advocate, what if the similar scenario occurs, but the young boy, kills himself, because he is a highly Christian person, and feels he is a "sin".

Yet in christiality killing yourself is a sin, so therefore he'd be commiting a sin to rid a sin? That wouldnt work.

[Aerith's Knight]

To continue to play devil's advocate, what if the similar scenario occurs, but the young boy, kills himself, because he is a highly Christian person, and feels he is a "sin".

Yet in christiality killing yourself is a sin, so therefore he'd be commiting a sin to rid a sin? That wouldnt work.

nothing justifies killing yourself in christianity. Its pretty obvious Gobo isnt one.

and btw, nowadays it doesnt really matter if you are gay or living together be4 marriage.. that would be more for the catholics to punish and stuff.. you get looked down upon for it.. but youre not shunned or anything.

[Evastio]

Killing himself is his choice and it isn't part of the rules of his religion (if it was then if that's what he truly wants to do we should accept that). Usually Christianity focuses more on overcoming sinful thoughts and feelings instead of destroying them by destroying yourself. If he truly was a highly Christian person he'd be trying to overcome his sins instead of killing himself to stop sinning. Unless you're trying to protect and save other people (like in a war) killing people is always a sin according to Christianity.

[Goldenboko]

Saying its his choice, is almost cruel. People are driven to do things. This person's choice would've never been chosen, if another individual did not make, and impose that belief on a populace. If a belief can force people to do something self-destructive, isn't that belief a destructive one?

EDIT: This thread really should be in EoEo.

EDIT2:

To continue to play devil's advocate, what if the similar scenario occurs, but the young boy, kills himself, because he is a highly Christian person, and feels he is a "sin".

Yet in christiality killing yourself is a sin, so therefore he'd be commiting a sin to rid a sin? That wouldnt work.

Trying to get into the mind of someone who has committed suicide, is a silly and futile attempt. If someone was willing to commit suicide (other then to remove themselves from an enormous amount of physical pain), means there is something mentally unstable, or wrong with that human being. For all we know the boy could've killed himself, accepting his place in hell, to remove some Sin from Earth. Does that seem stupid? Yes. But that is why you don't attempt to enter the mind of the mentally unstable.

[I Am Stoner]

Killing himself is his choice and it isn't part of the rules of his religion (if it was then if that's what he truly wants to do we should accept that).

Yet in the Bible it says 'Thou Shall Not Kill Thy Fellow man' are you saying that means you cant kill other people yet you can kill yourself? In both catholic and Protisant Christiality there are hints and also readings that show suicide to be a spoil and destruction of the body ''god'' made for them. That counts as a sin in christian eyes.


Edit: Damn sorry, should learn to read posts more carefully.

[Lawr]

Saying its his choice, is almost cruel. People are driven to do things. This person's choice would've never been chosen, if another individual did not make, and impose that belief on a populace. If a belief can force people to do something self-destructive, isn't that belief a destructive one?

EDIT: This thread really should be in EoEo.

Even if he is driven, in the end it's still his choice. The belief isn't destructive, it's the people who are enforcing it.

[Goldenboko]

Saying its his choice, is almost cruel. People are driven to do things. This person's choice would've never been chosen, if another individual did not make, and impose that belief on a populace. If a belief can force people to do something self-destructive, isn't that belief a destructive one?

EDIT: This thread really should be in EoEo.

Even if he is driven, in the end it's still his choice. The belief isn't destructive, it's the people who are enforcing it.

I think the fact that this is a religion is making you be far more forgiving. If you had black hair, and everyone in your community, told you and believed, its wrong to have black hair, don't you think that would get to you?

If someone kills his or herself over bullying, bullying is considered at fault and the reason. Why is this different for religion?

[Evastio]

If you were to save that guy even though he's really insistant on killing himself wouldn't that be cruel? Stopping him from doing what he believes is right? Even though a lot of people would disagree with his choice that doesn't mean they have the right to stop him. It's okay if you try to convince him to stop but if he is adamant on refusing to change his opinion you shouldn't force that kid to stop.

Killing himself is his choice and it isn't part of the rules of his religion (if it was then if that's what he truly wants to do we should accept that).

Yet in the Bible it says 'Thou Shall Not Kill Thy Fellow man' are you saying that means you cant kill other people yet you can kill yourself? In both catholic and Protisant Christiality there are hints and also readings that show suicide to be a spoil and destruction of the body ''god'' made for them. That counts as a sin in christian eyes.

Yeah, I know most Christian religions don't permit killing. But if there happened to be one that permitted killing yourself for leading a sinful life and he strongly and willingly believed in it then it'd be wrong to stop him.

[I Am Stoner]

Even if he is driven, in the end it's still his choice. The belief isn't destructive, it's the people who are enforcing it.

Yet if he was such a dedicated christian for himself to recognise he is a ''sin'' then he would understand the ethics of his religion and obviously not sin to make another sin right, coz that in all sense is quite weird. If he wanted to make up for it then why didnt he go off and do something good? It also says in the bible how god supposedly loves every one of us and cares for us. And that the whole reason jesus was crucified was to wash away all our sins. ALL of them. Surely he would understand then that there would be a chance of redemption for him within his religious order. I mean more and more Homosexual preists appear all over the place nowadays, you think they ever tried to commit suicide? *sigh* I guess at the end of the day it all comes down as to how people look and things and understand them.

[Goldenboko]

If you were to save that guy even though he's really insistant on killing himself wouldn't that be cruel? Stopping him from doing what he believes is right? Even though a lot of people would disagree with his choice that doesn't mean they have the right to stop him. It's okay if you try to convince him to stop but if he is adamant on refusing to change his opinion you shouldn't force that kid to stop.

No I would not. I am a firm believer that no person should die for the wrongs of others. In this case the boy shouldn't throw his life away, instead he should be approached by others that will help him/her realize its not a sin and its not something to kill yourself over.

You get one life, and ending it because of beliefs others have made and you have adopted is wrong and ending it because of the beliefs of others is also wrong. I'd go as far as saying your assisting someone's suicide.

[Big D]

Another note on the masturbation bit:

Some Asian sects which practice martial arts view masturbation as a unwanted release of energy. They feel that the sexual desire and drive is a form of energy that is best expended through martial arts practice and combat rather than sexual exertion. They will even avoid any sexual interaction with another individual to save these energies as they can be better used in other activities.

Clearly, these Asian sects are ignorant and stupid and don't know what they're talking ab...

Oops, I forgot that Asian sects aren't Christian, so it's not trendy and fashionable to rag on them despite lacking any proper understanding of their origins and beliefs

If someone reads the New Testament, discovers Christ's message of humility, tolerance and compassion, then adopts that morality as their own... is that person an imbecilic thicko who deserves ridicule? I'd say not. It's a religiously motivated moral code, but that doesn't make it inherently worthless or idiotic. Even if it is Christian in origin.

Believing or doing something only because a religion says it is so, with no attempt to understand the underlying or complicating factors, is uninformed in my opinion. It's always better to understand why, rather than just obeying mindlessly. However, we're all brought up in an environment where we just take for granted many moral and ethical practices. It's not all explained to us step-by-step; we just accept that things are done 'that way' go on about our lives. Are the common standards of behaviour, courtesy and decency 'ignorant' too?