Quote Originally Posted by DMKA View Post
Actually, it seems to be effective. Google the "ex-gay" movement.
People can't just become "straight." They can become celibate. Which even heterosexual couples should be before marriage according to Bible doctrines. But instantly from gay to straight? No, won't happen. Despite what Ted Haggard may make it seem.

Quote Originally Posted by Avarice-ness View Post
What I'm more confused about is how they got "God hates fags" out of Rom 9:13.

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Ironically, Esau's not gay. He was hated because he sold his birthright to his brother for food because instead of becoming a shepard he became a hunter. He was the first born, and his inability to do what he was suppose to led him to cowardice, that cowardice 'caused him to give up and give Jacob the whole first-born rights. Also, it's not god that hated him, the words are spoken by Rebekha his mother. She was speaking about Esau's cowardice and the dishonor towards the family.

Not to mention he had three wives.

Then again, they could be looking at an entirely different Rom. 9:13.
I brought that up, but Momiji asked me to remove my comment.