Smash Bros Brawl Tournament (Doubles)

[.:kerrod:.]

i thought it was going to start earlier ...but ah well, i guess it can't be helped, it's just that i'll be back at school by then and it may be a little harder to pin me down for a match but we'll work something out

also, if we can't get enough people, why don't we just do a singles tournament?

[Tifa's Real Lover(really]

try to video tape these things so we can watch

[.:kerrod:.]

we'll just save the replays and post them ...im not sure how to convert them to put them on youtube, but i could probably learn...

[NeoCracker]

i thought it was going to start earlier ...but ah well, i guess it can't be helped, it's just that i'll be back at school by then and it may be a little harder to pin me down for a match but we'll work something out

also, if we can't get enough people, why don't we just do a singles tournament?

Thing is, if you're going to have trouble then, thats not likely going to change much, as this will likely take at least that long to complete, the 10 days that is.

Even if we just have these 4 teams, thats a total of 4 rounds, for each one we need 4 different people on at once.

And in mean and Shads case, being across sees from eachother, it will take a while.

Though yeah, I'll give it to the 15th to start instead if thats alright with everyone.

[Ultima Shadow]

I propose we do as Ouch said. assuming someone links me to the standard tournament rules.

Basic tournament standards:

Stages:

Stages set to random:

Yoshi's Island (DS version)
Battlefield
Smashville
Final Destination

Counterpicks available:
Lylat Cruise
Delphino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Norfair
Halberd
Pokemon Stadium 2
Castle Siege
Pictochat
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Brinstar
Frigate Orpheon
Pokemon Stadium
Electro Plankton

All else are banned.


Items:

Usually turned off, but in the cases they would be turned on, then:

Aviable items:

Sandbag, Food, Warp Star, Bunny Hood, Beam Sword, Lip’s Stick, Star Rod, Super Scope, Fire Flower, Motion Sensor Bomb, Freezie, Smoke Ball, Pitfall, Mr. Saturn, Green Shell, Banana Peel, Franklin Badge, Screw Attack.

And the rest is banned.


For 2v2, Team Attack, as it's called in Brawl is always turned on. Being able to damage your team mate makes certain cheap tactics like double projectile spamming and jab-lockdowns impossible etc. And in general, it forces you to play more careful and tactical. So I personally also recommend this above all else. Losing because you killed your partner only happens if you're not careful enough, or your partner missjudges a situation etc. Aaaaand... 2v2 matches usually just get more interesting if you can all damage each other.


Also, matches are played with "4 stocks".

I'm actually for tagging on the Heart Container to banned Items as well if everyone else wants to as well.

Both Heart Containers and Maximum Tomatos must be banned at all cost! Food is ok, but massive healing in an instant is far too unbalanced.


Edit: Also, what will the spawn-rate of items be? I'd suggest medium or low.

[.:kerrod:.]

sounds pretty good to me ^^^

and what does 'counterpick' mean?

[Evastio]

Counterpick stages are stages that are allowed to be chosen by the losers of the previous match.

Personally though I think that's a little too restricted Ultima Shadow. The banned items I completely understand (I'm even okay with banning them completely) but I think we should allow more stages. In Corneria there's not much interferences besides the occassional blaster shot. Jungle Japes also isn't as bad now that you can swim in the water. Also allowing Norfair but not Spear Pillar and Port Town Aero Dive is quite unfair seeing how Norfair is much more dangerous than those two stages. Lylat Cruise shouldn't be a counterpick since the only stage interference on that stage is the ship tilting which barely causes any harm.

If we're going to go by standard tournament rules, I think we should make some adjustments to the rules.

[qwertysaur]

Some of those rules make no sense. Like the fact there are no grounded stages. (Bridge of Eldin, Shadow Moses Island, Green Hill Zone) except for the second level of Castle Siege

Also Norfair can turn the tides of a match instantly, yet it is allowed? I suggest we tweek the rules to look like this.

4 stock matches.
Best two out of three.
Friendly Fire is on.

Each team picks one stage, and the first two matches are fought on those stages.

Available stages
Yoshi's Island (DS version)
Battlefield
Smashville
Final Destination
Lylat Cruise
Delphino Plaza
Luigi's Mansion
Halberd
Pokemon Stadium 2
Castle Siege
Pictochat
Rainbow Cruise
Green Greens
Frigate Orpheon
Pokemon Stadium
Electro Plankton
Bridge of Eldin
Shadow Moses Island
Green Hill Zone
Port Town Aero Drive
Corneria

If a tie breaking match is needed, the stage is at random choice form

Yoshi's Island (DS version)
Battlefield
Smashville
Final Destination
Lylat Cruise
Bridge of Eldin

all other stages are banned.

As for items they should be set on medium and the following are allowed.

Sandbag, Food, Bunny Hood, Beam Sword, Lip’s Stick, Star Rod, Super Scope, Fire Flower, Motion Sensor Bomb, Freezie, Smoke Ball, Pitfall, Mr. Saturn, Green Shell, Banana Peel, Franklin Badge, Screw Attack, Hothead, Team Healer. All the rest are banned.

Final Smashes should be allowed only if all people in the match agree to it. (Friendly Fire makes them risky to use, you might kill only your partner)

[Ultima Shadow]

Personally though I think that's a little too restricted Ultima Shadow. The banned items I completely understand (I'm even okay with banning them completely) but I think we should allow more stages. In Corneria there's not much interferences besides the occassional blaster shot. Jungle Japes also isn't as bad now that you can swim in the water. Also allowing Norfair but not Spear Pillar and Port Town Aero Dive is quite unfair seeing how Norfair is much more dangerous than those two stages. Lylat Cruise shouldn't be a counterpick since the only stage interference on that stage is the ship tilting which barely causes any harm.

If we're going to go by standard tournament rules, I think we should make some adjustments to the rules.

I actually completely agree with you. The rules were copy-pasted from the C3 tournament rules (a competetive and pretty recent brawl tournament somewhere in the US), but Corneria should absolutely be allowed, and yeah... ban Norfair.

I'd personally prefere no items as well. Or low at most. I played my first online match today against random opponents and... damn, it was sooo laggy. The second match I played was less laggy, but it was still annoying. Does online matches ever go as smooth as they do offline? Anyways, I don't know if the ones I played had their items set to medium or high, but with smash balls, pokemon balls, assist trophies and bob-ombs everywhere combined with extreme lag on Mushroom Kingdom, it felt like every single kill was completely random. I did still manage to win somehow, as most of the people I played really, really sucked. But yeah, if every kill or even every other kill or even a 1/3 of all kills feels completely random, it's not as fun.

... so let's set items to low or off. =D

...or even better: Mr.Saturns only!

Seriously though, let's vote! I vote for items OFF. (that or Mr.Saturns only)

[.:kerrod:.]

i also vote for items OFF, and the inclusion of corneria (pretty much my favourite melee stage ) and exclusion of norfair...even when playing crappy bots i find it hard to keep an eye on all of the stage's attemps to kill me
Lylatt cruise should also be in there, there's nothing wrong with that

[Monol]

Items off

Norfair BACK! (Thats my counter pick )

Corneria on

And I propose we have dance matches. After the sets are over there should be a 30 second match dedicated to characters dancing there hearts out. This way theres no hard feelings <--Best Idea ever

[ljkkjlcm9]

Norfair? Come on guys, anyone can easily avoid the lava/acid, and it can be used to add damage. Like throwing someone into the wall of it that comes towards the stage. The only "unfair" part is when it hits the whole screen, and even then it doesn't do much damage. Worse comes to worse, if that stage comes up, you can agree to share the safety tube for that part.

I like some items on. They make Brawl what it is. They're not necessary, but they're certainly add to the madness. Plus, I find it gives my opponent more of a balanced chance... lol

THE JACKEL

[Ultima Shadow]

Okay, okay then keep Norfair on. I guess we can all live with it, though I'd have to say it seems less suitable for a 2v2 match. At least if Team Attack is turned off, in which case two team members reaching the safety tube first will get a big advantage. If Team Attack is turned on and you're able to damage your team mate, however, it will be much tougher to fight off an opponent trying to get into the tube.

...gah, or we can just skip those small, slightly unfair details and say "okay, let's allow Norfair in either case".


Anyways...

Current votes:

Items off: 3

Items on: 1

[qwertysaur]

I vote for items Optional. They don't have to be on, but they can be.

[Arc_Master_14]

I don't care either way