Yeah Obama's rippissed and just tore McCain and Bush a new one.
I love it.
Yeah Obama's rip
I love it.
He also just made a jab at McCain's age. xD
EDIT: Is that B.D. Wong standing next to Michelle Obama?
I like Kung-Fu.
I like the part where he'll pay teachers more and open more jobs for them. Mmmmmmm, my futureeeeee~~~~
Michelle's expressions are amazing, I just adore her. She's such a cool woman. She is a true feminist, not the lame psuedo "feminists."
I heard a Langston Hughes reference somewhere.
Summary: big giant attacks on the current Administration, attacks on McCain in the form of "you don't know anything, so it's better to make it look like I know nothing" and "what's wrong with celebrity?" Reinforces the idea of inherent (or rather, a lacking of) American superiority, and a plan for the top. I think I even heard something that had the audacity of suggesting bi-partisan efforts. What a jerk.
This is interesting coming from you cause I think you were one of the anti-hillary people? I think Hillary and Michelle are both incredibly strong women who want equal rights for women, which is essentially what feminism is actually about. And to be sure, Hillary has done more for the feminist movement than Michelle has, but she's also been villanized a ton lot more too.Originally Posted by Rye
Anyway, Barack was amazing. Best speech of the whole convention and given the caliber of the people who spoke before him, that's really saying something. I honestly can't imagine how it's even possible for someone to watch that speech and not be motivated to vote for him. I'd go as far as to say that this speech was perfect, it couldn't have been better.
I'll get into the policies another time. Right now all I can say is that that was one of the best speeches I can recall witnessing in my life.
I definitely respect Hillary's strength and her feminism, but as a nominee for president, she just irked me, personally. I don't know if I'd like Michelle as a nominee for president herself (though if she did run, I'd certainly be curious to see what she'd be about), and she herself said she's not at all into politics deep down, but she's amazingly inspirational as a working woman and a mother. So it really more comes down to the vibes I get from them. I get better vibes from Michelle, by far, and she's easier to relate to, for me.
And yes, I'd ditto on that, it's just about the best speech I've ever heard.
Last edited by Rye; 08-29-2008 at 04:22 AM.
Kind of off topic, but did anyone see tonight's Moment of Zen on The Daily Show? The newsman said that Obama is the son of a black man from Kenya and a white man from Wichita, Kansas.
Biggest fail I've seen all day.
I loved that speech, it was inspirational and everything it should have been.
But I'm a downer (like alcohol!) and I do have one little wish. I wish he could have stayed away a little bit from the "we're Democrats" and McCain is fail bits. I mean I know that's what this speech is about etc., but with all his talks of bipartisanship and new politics, those things felt to me like missed notes even if I agreed with most/all of it.
Sadly Kes, since McCain's lot started launching the attack ads, Obama's been falling in the polls quite startlingly. I would have liked that too, but there's not a lot he can do about it if the other side won't do the same.
That business about not quesitoning patriotism was a canny move, thinking about it. After all, he'd never get away with questioning McCain's patriotism, and he can make himself look like he's taking the high ground when it was his only choice anyway. Hopefully it will protect him against ridiculous charges against his patriotism though.
He has to make himself look better. Either that happens in attacks, or that happens with impeccably high moral standards. Of course, Obama has been recently falling in the polls, and his numbers with "blue collar workers" was never strong in the first place. If he went with upstanding morality, he would not only lose the support of the constituency that does identify with him, he would further alienate others.
"This guy reminds me too much of the people that put me down. The way he talks, all those big words and promises that won't get through."
Combined with the inherent cynicism of the government that so strongly defines our generation, that's a big hurdle to jump.
Counters are, in fact, inevitable. But the way Obama did it was superbly done. Yes, he did attack McCain's record of voting, and charged him with wanting to pour more resources into a wild goose chase (Iraq as opposed to Afghanistan), he also elevated himself as the person who isn't the political candidate, but a man of the people, and showed in his way that McCain is not. You couldn't have done it in this way without the other; either way, I do not find this regrettable.
Or listen to MILF.
It won't. Too many people associate patriotism with active warfare. Dissent is also a form of patriotism, and it's a real lost art.
EDIT: McCain's pick for VP. Hah. Hah. You just screwed your party. Romney is superior and a perfect compliment to what you lack.
Last edited by Tavrobel; 08-29-2008 at 05:14 PM.
Picking a woman seems like just a ploy to get Hillary voters. McCain seems more worried about votes then actually being a good candidate.
It's a bad call. If he had made his announcement before Hillary's speech on Tuesday, things would have gone much better. I would have said it was a good call. But now, it sealed the deal on him; he's done. If he had secured a swing state (as my friend suggested), it would have been a great move. If he had went with Romney, he would have wiped the floor on Obama's economy plan, gotten someone who is a stronger pick overall with hardcore Republicans, and played the importance of region in elections. Arizona/Massachusetts? Hell, yeah. Okay, so maybe Romney is a Mormon, and most Christians think it's a cult, but he could've pulled off a Kennedy speech the way Obama did for black people not too long ago. Appeal to the common denominator; "what makes us Christians isn't multiple wives, it's all about Jesus." Something like that. An appeal to Jesus is an automatic hand-clapper.
For all of the inspiration that Obama could inspire, it would have said little to the ability of what is a virtually guaranteed economic fix. Yes, I am serious. That is the incredible potential and smartness of choosing Romney for VP. I would have voted Republican if that were the case, and McCain found a way to stop being a total suck-up to the hardcore Republicans. If anything, picking Romney would have given him more breathing room to be the "radical of the party."
But now, he's picked someone that who before Tuesday would have played a strong hand on capitalizing the dissenters from Hillary's boat who were going to vote for McCain. Too late. He's closed the door on Obama's inexperience, and showed his party as nothing but a bunch of pork-barrel legislators. Bridge to nowhere? Seriously, think about this for a minute. And they called this a triumph for the failures of Congress? So he played the woman card. Too late. As Yaridovich said, he's clearly out for the votes instead of looking good.
lol number 5.
Last night was amazing! I'm so . . . hopeful? Excited?
*fingers crossed*
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