And Laguna slayed a dragon in that movie of his. So, the Iguion represents the relationship that Laguna indirectly has with both of them, coupled with Squall's strength, reflecting the start of a long and meaningful relationship between Squall and Rinoa -> which in fact leadst them to Laguna. So, that's what the dragon's for.Originally Posted by Big D
NOT!
Squall is symbolised by the lion, Griever. He's kind of a strong loner, like a solitary lion.
His rival, Seifer, is slimy and reptilian - like a lizard. Therefore, the Iguion symbolises both Squall and Seifer.
The front half of the Iguion is reptilian (Seifer) while the back half is leonine (Squall). This symbolises the relationship between Squall and Seifer - Seifer is always at the front, "the brains" that's in control and leading the way, making decisions and choosing the course. Squall is the ass that trails behind, dutifully following wherever the front half leads. You can see this in Squall's daft willingness to go along with Seifer's plans at the start of the game. Squall does things he knows to be stupid (fighting a duel instead of taking his field test) because he's utterly subservient to Seifer's decision-making. Even when Seifer's become the enemy, Squall still dutifully follows him around, sometimes fighting him but never beating him. Once an ass, always an ass.
And both parts of the Iguion are under Edea/Ultimecia's complete control, where they operate as a single beast. This symbolises how both Squall and Seifer were manipulated into performing the sorceress' bidding, even while Squall was busy tagging along behind Seifer.
Now, we know that Ultimecia's GF, Griever, was somehow created out of Squall's mind. This proves that a person's "inner beast" can be drawn forth and given an embodiment. Clearly, Iguion is the fusion of both Squall and Seifer's animal essences, drawn out and fused by time compression. This explains why they're joined, and why the sorceress uses them to do her dirty work. Time Compression explains why Iguion's found as a statue in Deling City - the beast was flung back into the distant past by the phenomenon.
That just leaves one final mystery: why are there two Iguion?
Anyone who'd played FFVIII will know that the relationship between Squall and Seifer is intensely erotic. There's a powerful yet repressed sexual chemistry there, since both men consider themselves heterosexual and deny any hint of attraction. Thus, the Iguion monsters represent their unspoken lust in the only way possible: the blending of the masculine and feminine part of each man. I refer to the yin-yang duality of humanity, as told in Chinese philosophy. This is clearly a philosophy that exists in FFVIII's world, too, as we can see from the Balamb Garden logo which is a stylised yin-yang image. Under this philosophy, both male and female are two parts of the whole; males contain elemental properties of the female essence within them. Accordingly, Squall and Seifer's male psyche also contain small female essences, and that's what we see in the two Iguions: One has Squall's dominant masculinity coupled with Seifer's femininity, while the other is overwhelmingly the male Seifer mated with Squall's passive femininity. Iguion A is Squall's yin and Seifer's yang, Iguion B is Squall's yang and Seifer's yin. Because these two are so compatible, so in tune with each other, their combined essences form two identical beasts, equal in power and ability. A perfect balance, reflecting the compatibility they tried so hard to suppress during their normal lives.
When Squall fights off both these monsters to free Rinoa, he's symbolically fighting against his own true feelings for Seifer, which is especially obvious when you consider that Rinoa is Seifer's ex girlfriend. In pursuing her, Squall's actually pursuing what he thinks is the object of Seifer's affections - hoping to be 'closer' to Seifer by sharing a part of his life.
Wow. When you think about it, the Iguion fight is symbolic and evocative of the game's deep or dark elements in ways I wouldn't have thought possible.
...ok, I think that's quite enough for now
Last edited by Big D; 10-14-2008 at 02:08 PM.
I love this explanation I believe the true message in it is just this: Stop trying to give too much meaning to a game, Iguion is a monster enough said it was a statue given life and set upon Rinoa who is saved by Squall and Irvine before they all get their asses owned by matron.Squall is symbolised by the lion, Griever. He's kind of a strong loner, like a solitary lion.
His rival, Seifer, is slimy and reptilian - like a lizard. Therefore, the Iguion symbolises both Squall and Seifer.
The front half of the Iguion is reptilian (Seifer) while the back half is leonine (Squall). This symbolises the relationship between Squall and Seifer - Seifer is always at the front, "the brains" that's in control and leading the way, making decisions and choosing the course. Squall is the ass that trails behind, dutifully following wherever the front half leads. You can see this in Squall's daft willingness to go along with Seifer's plans at the start of the game. Squall does things he knows to be stupid (fighting a duel instead of taking his field test) because he's utterly subservient to Seifer's decision-making. Even when Seifer's become the enemy, Squall still dutifully follows him around, sometimes fighting him but never beating him. Once an ass, always an ass.
And both parts of the Iguion are under Edea/Ultimecia's complete control, where they operate as a single beast. This symbolises how both Squall and Seifer were manipulated into performing the sorceress' bidding, even while Squall was busy tagging along behind Seifer.
Now, we know that Ultimecia's GF, Griever, was somehow created out of Squall's mind. This proves that a person's "inner beast" can be drawn forth and given an embodiment. Clearly, Iguion is the fusion of both Squall and Seifer's animal essences, drawn out and fused by time compression. This explains why they're joined, and why the sorceress uses them to do her dirty work. Time Compression explains why Iguion's found as a statue in Deling City - the beast was flung back into the distant past by the phenomenon.
That just leaves one final mystery: why are there two Iguion?
Anyone who'd played FFVIII will know that the relationship between Squall and Seifer is intensely erotic. There's a powerful yet repressed sexual chemistry there, since both men consider themselves heterosexual and deny any hint of attraction. Thus, the Iguion monsters represent their unspoken lust in the only way possible: the blending of the masculine and feminine part of each man. I refer to the yin-yang duality of humanity, as told in Chinese philosophy. This is clearly a philosophy that exists in FFVIII's world, too, as we can see from the Balamb Garden logo which is a stylised yin-yang image. Under this philosophy, both male and female are two parts of the whole; males contain elemental properties of the female essence within them. Accordingly, Squall and Seifer's male psyche also contain small female essences, and that's what we see in the two Iguions: One has Squall's dominant masculinity coupled with Seifer's femininity, while the other is overwhelmingly the male Seifer mated with Squall's passive femininity. Iguion A is Squall's yin and Seifer's yang, Iguion B is Squall's yang and Seifer's yin. Because these two are so compatible, so in tune with each other, their combined essences form two identical beasts, equal in power and ability. A perfect balance, reflecting the compatibility they tried so hard to suppress during their normal lives.
When Squall fights off both these monsters to free Rinoa, he's symbolically fighting against his own true feelings for Seifer, which is especially obvious when you consider that Rinoa is Seifer's ex girlfriend. In pursuing her, Squall's actually pursuing what he thinks is the object of Seifer's affections - hoping to be 'closer' to Seifer by sharing a part of his life.
Wow. When you think about it, the Iguion fight is symbolic and evocative of the game's deep or dark elements in ways I wouldn't have thought possible.
...ok, I think that's quite enough for now
The problem is that we don`t know much about Ultimecia; she`s sort of like a small detailed character represented in the game and ironically she's the most type of villain that the game has to offer (main villain). Where does that leave us then? What do we know about Ultimecia? Almost nothing, just her sneaky dialogues and so many visible things around herself (her castle, possessions, images, etc.)
Irrelevant, because Ultimecia wasn`t involved in that incident. She was responsible for the appearance of Iguion. Like I said before, Ultimecia's data is so small, therefore questions arise and that only works if you like the game.
I haven`t thought about the Seifer part, it's possible but nevertheless it's a good attribute for the theory.
Who are you trying to tell someone what to do? This game is one of my favourite games, I like to explore and discuss when I'm bored. You`re implying that the game is straightforward when in fact it's not.
Iguion was of course a monster, just like other monsters in the game but it was under control of Ultimecia. Keep that statement in mind and compare it with the fact that her data is so small and you get the result.
Matron? I think you mean Ultimecia!
I had a huge response written out here and some reason I just lost it, I'll write it out again at some point but Seraphy you need to chill.
Sorry if you thought I was mad, because I actually wasn't. So care to explain why do you think the game's plot is straightforward?
P.S - Although, I may say that trying to understand the plot on a normal level might not be so difficult but on a high level, it's actually difficult. Based on that high level, there are evidence from the game that support it (unanswered questions when it comes to the plot = relevant). You just ignore those unanswered questions when you're on that normal level but that has nothing to do with this thread.
I just want to know what was the bit about "Griever on the Moon" you said in the last thread?
I remember this, during the ending FMV if you watch as the Garden flies off in to the darkness of the night the moon in the background has the stylised Griever pendant shape as a Maria (latin for ocean what we call the dark patches of the moon) It really had nothing to do with anything imo but Serapy thinks theres huge mega hidden storyline references and points that only he can see. The fact he's 1 player out of how many million players world wide? Is seemingly not anything to consider when looking at this.
Are you saying that a symbolism has nothing to do with the plot?
There are already some people who believes that the image on the moon resembles Griever as well. It was about 80% accurate (compare that to the Aeris ghost finding I posted in the FF7 section), the reason of why that's the case is existent. This is likely to be supported due to the game being not straightforward.but Serapy thinks theres huge mega hidden storyline references and points that only he can see..
Well, then I`m proud to be unique.The fact he's 1 player out of how many million players world wide? Is seemingly not anything to consider when looking at this
Most of all, you still haven't answered my question.
What do you mean?
Squall is symbolised by the lion, Griever. He's kind of a strong loner, like a solitary lion.
His rival, Seifer, is slimy and reptilian - like a lizard. Therefore, the Iguion symbolises both Squall and Seifer.
The front half of the Iguion is reptilian (Seifer) while the back half is leonine (Squall). This symbolises the relationship between Squall and Seifer - Seifer is always at the front, "the brains" that's in control and leading the way, making decisions and choosing the course. Squall is the ass that trails behind, dutifully following wherever the front half leads. You can see this in Squall's daft willingness to go along with Seifer's plans at the start of the game. Squall does things he knows to be stupid (fighting a duel instead of taking his field test) because he's utterly subservient to Seifer's decision-making. Even when Seifer's become the enemy, Squall still dutifully follows him around, sometimes fighting him but never beating him. Once an ass, always an ass.
And both parts of the Iguion are under Edea/Ultimecia's complete control, where they operate as a single beast. This symbolises how both Squall and Seifer were manipulated into performing the sorceress' bidding, even while Squall was busy tagging along behind Seifer.
Now, we know that Ultimecia's GF, Griever, was somehow created out of Squall's mind. This proves that a person's "inner beast" can be drawn forth and given an embodiment. Clearly, Iguion is the fusion of both Squall and Seifer's animal essences, drawn out and fused by time compression. This explains why they're joined, and why the sorceress uses them to do her dirty work. Time Compression explains why Iguion's found as a statue in Deling City - the beast was flung back into the distant past by the phenomenon.
That just leaves one final mystery: why are there two Iguion?
Anyone who'd played FFVIII will know that the relationship between Squall and Seifer is intensely erotic. There's a powerful yet repressed sexual chemistry there, since both men consider themselves heterosexual and deny any hint of attraction. Thus, the Iguion monsters represent their unspoken lust in the only way possible: the blending of the masculine and feminine part of each man. I refer to the yin-yang duality of humanity, as told in Chinese philosophy. This is clearly a philosophy that exists in FFVIII's world, too, as we can see from the Balamb Garden logo which is a stylised yin-yang image. Under this philosophy, both male and female are two parts of the whole; males contain elemental properties of the female essence within them. Accordingly, Squall and Seifer's male psyche also contain small female essences, and that's what we see in the two Iguions: One has Squall's dominant masculinity coupled with Seifer's femininity, while the other is overwhelmingly the male Seifer mated with Squall's passive femininity. Iguion A is Squall's yin and Seifer's yang, Iguion B is Squall's yang and Seifer's yin. Because these two are so compatible, so in tune with each other, their combined essences form two identical beasts, equal in power and ability. A perfect balance, reflecting the compatibility they tried so hard to suppress during their normal lives.
When Squall fights off both these monsters to free Rinoa, he's symbolically fighting against his own true feelings for Seifer, which is especially obvious when you consider that Rinoa is Seifer's ex girlfriend. In pursuing her, Squall's actually pursuing what he thinks is the object of Seifer's affections - hoping to be 'closer' to Seifer by sharing a part of his life.
Wow. When you think about it, the Iguion fight is symbolic and evocative of the game's deep or dark elements in ways I wouldn't have thought possible.
...ok, I think that's quite enough for now
... o.o this HAS to be a joke...... XD omgomgomg squallxseifer pr0n!!!!
Oh gods, why? ಥ_ಥ
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