Is that what happened there? My satellite of course cut out just after Ben convinced Locke not to kill himself and when it came back it was showing the scene with Ben cleaning down the apartment.Originally Posted by sdm42393
Is that what happened there? My satellite of course cut out just after Ben convinced Locke not to kill himself and when it came back it was showing the scene with Ben cleaning down the apartment.
^ Mhm. He chocked him with the cord.
Good episode. Answered a lot of questions while introducing a number of new ones.
When Ben first entered the apartment, I was like "Ben will kill him." Then when Ben convinced him not to, I was like "why would he do all this if he was going to kill him?" But as soon as Locke started talking about Hawking, I knew that Ben had gotten the information he wanted.
So, is Widmore now a good guy? Good gosh.
I don't trust either of them; I'm thoroughly convinced that both of them care more about their own power than they do about the island, and that either of them will do whatever it takes to further their own ends, regardless of the consequences. I'd been leaning that way for awhile anyway, but this episode solidified it for me.
Basically, Jacob/Christian wouldn't have told them to move the island if Widmore weren't a threat to it. At least, I can't think of any conceivable reason why they'd do that.
Last edited by The Man; 02-26-2009 at 04:46 AM.
Yeah I'm sure Ben and Widmore are both evil, just evil against each other as well.
This episode was meh. It answered some things but I don't like when there isn't a lot of action on the island.
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What building was Ceasar in at the beginning? If they are on the island I don't remember there being a place with a desk oO
Everything had the Hydra symbol on it - I'm assuming they are on the Hydra island.
I've grown tired of the "Ben double crossed someone!" plot line. When he strangled Locke last night I groaned.
I'm in agreement with others in that I've come to the conclusion that Whitmore and Ben are both evil and using everyone and the island for their own selfish means. Perhaps this is why the island reached out to Locke, as he's pure and truly cares for the island above his own interests, even his life. Plus the island hooked him up with a new pair of legs so he probably feels he owes the island now.
Btw, since the plane landed on Hydra Island it would be safe to assume that it landed on that runway that they were building in season 3!!!
Regarding why Ben killed Locke, I have a number of conflicting ideas. First of all it's quite likely that he knew Locke would actually try to fulfil his promise to Jin not to bring Sun back if he remained alive. Secondly, after watching the scene twice, it looks like he has no idea how to get back to the island until Locke tells him. One possibility is that Hawking is actually being employed by Widmore to help the O6 get back to the island, with no idea that Ben is supposed to be kept away from it. However, the real change in his mood seems to come when he learns that Jin is still alive. It is possible that these two tidbits of information combine to cause him to decide to kill John, although I am still uncertain as to why this would be.
I don't think he expected Locke to be resurrected, however.
As for Widmore's claim to have protected the island "in a non-violent way", that's obviously bullgiven his order to chop off Juliet's hands. I wouldn't trust anything either Ben or Widmore says; both of them are pretty clearly more interested in their own power than in telling the truth.
The labyrinthine twists and turns of this show really are coming to match those of the Illuminatus! trilogy, an acknowledged influence on the series. It's also where the number 23 comes from, although the creators haven't explicitly acknowledged that part yet.
We also must remember, from "The Shape of Things to Come," that Widmore says very matter-of-factly, "That Island's mine, Benjamin... It will be again." It's plain to me now that Widmore has no intention of letting Locke lead anything.
Good call; I had forgotten about that
I wish! That would be a good way to explain away that loose end. But no, the plane is visible just chillin' on top of a tree bough in one scene of the last episode. I'm still pretty damned sure that runway is for aliens . . . aliens like Mrs. Hawking (dun dun dun).
Yeah, I don't think Ben was planning on killing John. I think he realized he had to after John was all "no man Sun is just staying here."
Locke's mention of Mrs. Hawking also had something to do with Ben's motivation.
So I don't think he went to John with the explicit intention of killing him - after he does, he's pretty remorseful ("I'll miss you John, I really will.").
My wife read a theory somewhere that Kate is pregnant with Jack's baby, thus recreating Claire's pregnancy on the flight. Since Kate and Jack "landed" on the island in the 70s, the theory suggests that Kate has the baby while in that time and we know/knew the baby as an adult "Other" in the present time.
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