Lost Season 5 - Spoilers EVERYWHERE! :p

[Moon Rabbits]

Pretty decent for a Kate episode. I like the irony of how Jack refused to operate because of who Ben becomes, but he becomes that way because Jack refused to operate.

The next one looks good too. Perhaps an epic battle between Ben and Smokey is in order. I don't like where (when?) they took this show but at least it's still entertaining.

I was kind of confused with the direction they took the narrative when they added in time travel, too, but when you think about it they've been building up to that for the entire series. Adam and Eve are a subtle first indication, other random mentions of experiments with space-time and other physics crap in the Dharma orientation videos, Desmond's future telling abilities (+ Eloise Hawking in season 3 (?) talking to Desmond about course correction, etc.). Not to mention flashbacks / flash forwards, which are signaled in the show very similar to time travel (flash backs / forwards are signaled with that wooshing noise, zoom in on the eye, etc. etc., time travel has the epic screeching + purple noise). Anyway - time travel was very heavily hinted at throughout most of the third and fourth seasons, so by the time it happened, I was sort of assuming it would.

can you give some examples of time travel being hinted at in season 3 and 4? dont worry if not, im just curious

I already gave you many examples. It's been leading up to time travel since the beginning. Season 1 served as an introduction to the characters and the Island, setting it somewhere outside of reality, outside of space. The end of season 1 set up most of the plot for season 2: the Others, Ben, the Hatch, the Numbers, etc. and so on. Season 2 served as an introduction to the stranger properties of the Island and a lot of 'supernatural' phenomena (though, a lot of the supernatural stuff in S2 was scientific physics-ey electro-magnetism crap that all had to do with the hatch). Anyway, S2 ended with Jack+Co. being kidnapped by the Others, so naturally S3 was all about the Others. S3 ends with Naomi reaching the Island (and I believe being killed by Locke?), which leads into S4 which is all about the Freighter people (and Widmore).

S3 had various hints at time travel and the nature of time in Lost - foremost, as I mentioned before, were Desmond's future-telling abilities. Actually, there was even an instance of actual time travel in S3 (Desmond going back in time, meeting Eloise, who in turn tells him about course correction).

As for S4, how could you miss the references to time travel? They were everywhere. Desmond time travels again, this time through multiple time periods (iirc), Faraday has his machine which he was using to send rats' minds back in time, when Faraday sends for his payload there is a half-hour (or some noticeable time difference) discrepancy between the freighter time and Island time, the doctor on the Freighter washes up dead on the Island but is still alive on the Freighter because of this discrepancy ...

then, Ben "moves" the Island through space-time at the end of S4, which brings us to S5 which is all about time and time travel on the Island.

[The Man]

So yeah, this latest episode was doubleplusgood.

[*ETERNAL FANTASY*]

omg epic anyone!?

anything with smokey is awesome lol and dang there was heaps of it!

from what i remember from ancient history (ages ago)...there was a scale that judged you in the underworld...you place your heart in it and if it heavier than a feather then a monster would come eat you up...(sorry abit random but thats all i kept thinking about when those images popped up) how awesome was it that alex was there too lol!

[McLovin']

Well, we don't have a word for it John, but we call it...the monster.

[Levian]

That Alex chick has grown a bit since she died.

and that death early in the episode was a bit surprising.

[Psychotic]

Wow that was great. It was nice to finally see what caused the Ben and Widmore rift.

Also damn, Caesar, didn't see that coming because of how much he was built up, but I laughed when Ben iced him, that was cold. I guess it's all down to Illana then. What the smurf is this secret society crap she has going on? Dharma? Widmore? Somebody else?

Finally, ha, more Egypt references.

[Flying Mullet]

Caesar getting blasted was awesome. He was a total douche anyway.

What the smurf is this secret society crap she has going on?

Secret Squirrels.

Good call on the Widmore bit. He could have had those people tail Ben and get on the plane to see how he would get back. Except that the girl was taking Sayid into custody, so that's harder to explain.

[Moon Rabbits]

Favorite episode of the season so far. I forgot why Locke was so awesome, and then I watched this episode and remembered. Caesar's death was pretty damn funny, esp. since I thought he was going to be a main character next season or something. Was it just me, or did anyone else think that Ben wanted the monster to kill him? I mean, it seems like all he really wants is to see his real daughter again (not a crazy monster replica of her) ... and it seems like the monster's decision was more of a punishment than anything else - I think being forced to blindly follow someone is one of the worst things Ben could suffer through, considering his character.

I was a bit let down by the Ben vs. Penny scene ... I wonder why Ben wants Sun to apologize to Desmond? Is it because he tried to kill Penny, or something bigger? Maybe he wound up succeeding ... since, don't you think he would want to apologize to Penny more than Desmond? O - o ??

from what i remember from ancient history (ages ago)...there was a scale that judged you in the underworld...you place your heart in it and if it heavier than a feather then a monster would come eat you up...(sorry abit random but thats all i kept thinking about when those images popped up) how awesome was it that alex was there too lol!

Yes - that also happens to be Egyptian lore, which the show is obviously drawing a lot of its mythology from. I wonder what the stone carving above the monster's grate that the camera focused so long on means. It looked like Anubis ... and the other thing sort of looked like the monster, but with a face.

Caesar getting blasted was awesome. He was a total douche anyway.

What the smurf is this secret society crap she has going on?

Secret Squirrels.

Good call on the Widmore bit. He could have had those people tail Ben and get on the plane to see how he would get back. Except that the girl was taking Sayid into custody, so that's harder to explain.

Widmore knows how to get to and from the Island - Ben mentioned in a flashback that Widmore broke "the rules" by leaving the Island multiple times, and having a child with an "outsider" (afaik Penny's mother hasn't been revealed ...). Though, I think they may be talking about someone other than Penny perhaps? I still think Penny is Eloise Hawkings' daughter > _ >

ANYWAY ! It's already been established that Ilana is working for Widmore. I think that Widmore's original plan was to kill the O6 off of the Island so that they couldn't get back and fix whatever it is they have to fix. I don't think he anticipated that Ilana and Sayid would be on the same plane ... or did he? That would make sense, too, since it gives him an "inside (wo)man" on the Island. And is Widmore still in contact with Eloise? It was insinuated in the last episode that they had some sort of relationship (perhaps not an emotional relationship, but they were both spoken of by the Others' as higher-ups when the injured young Ben was brought to them).

Oh, and Ethan becomes one of the Others after the Purge ... so does that mean that Annie, perhaps, became one too? Or did she die in the Purge? I want to know ; - ;

Also, here's a major major major major major major spoiler concerning Jacob, read at your own rissssssk:
(SPOILER) Jacob was present at several defining moments in the survivors' lives:
he was at Sawyer's parents' funeral, Jin and Sun's wedding, Nadia's death, and was reading a book across the street when Locke was thrown from Anthony Cooper's window. They've also hired an actor to play Jacob already, which means he will appear before the end of S5 ... I forgot his name though >_>

[Flying Mullet]

I wonder why Ben wants Sun to apologize to Desmond?

Because Ben shot Desmond at the dock when he was approaching Penny.

Widmore knows how to get to and from the Island - Ben mentioned in a flashback that Widmore broke "the rules" by leaving the Island multiple times, and having a child with an "outsider"

But I think Widmore was using the sub to do that. Since Locke blew up the sub, the only apparent way onto the island was cut off. I think Ben called Charles not only to tell him he was going to kill Penny but to also gloat over the fact that he found another way onto the island after Widmore spent 20 years trying without any success.

[Moon Rabbits]

I wonder why Ben wants Sun to apologize to Desmond?

Because Ben shot Desmond at the dock when he was approaching Penny.

Widmore knows how to get to and from the Island - Ben mentioned in a flashback that Widmore broke "the rules" by leaving the Island multiple times, and having a child with an "outsider"

But I think Widmore was using the sub to do that. Since Locke blew up the sub, the only apparent way onto the island was cut off. I think Ben called Charles not only to tell him he was going to kill Penny but to also gloat over the fact that he found another way onto the island after Widmore spent 20 years trying without any success.

Ooooooooh, yeah, you're right. Before he attacks Penny, he specifically mentions that to Widmore. Also: Ilana actually states she was working for the family of the golf course guy that Sayid killed way back, which means she isn't technically working for Widmore (though, the golf course guy was employed by Widmore). I think Ilana might be working for Dharma, actually .....

[Del Murder]

I love Ben episodes. This was a great one. The way he lies with so much confidence is beautiful. 'I thought something like this might happen John, that was the point'. Later to Sun...'I had no idea this would happen, and it scares the crap out of me.'

Best part was Desmond out of nowhere kicking Ben's ass. I was so mad because I thought Desmond was being randomly killed off. I'm glad his family ended up ok, someone needs to have a happy ending on this show.

Ben + smoke monster = awesome, as many have already said.

Ben and Locke have such a great dynamic already, and now Ben has to be his lackey. This will be much amusement. What's happening with the 'main group' in the 70s is not nearly as interesting as what is happening in the present.

[McLovin']

The timeline doesn't make sense though. The Purge happened in 1992. And this episode has little Ethan in it which means its after 1992. But when Ben took little Alex, she was only like at least a year old. So that would mean its 1988 not 1992...so is this a big continuity error or am I missing something?

[Del Murder]

Where does it say the purge happened in 1992?

[McLovin']

"The exact year the Purge occurred was not mentioned during Ben's flashback in "The Man Behind the Curtain"; however, Horace Goodspeed told Locke in a dream that he had been dead for twelve years. Assuming that this is correct, it places the Purge in 1992"

[Del Murder]

'Time works differently on the island.'

Bam, there's your cop-out response I bet.