Mafia XV Game Thread -- GAME OVER - TOWN WIN! (That's just Peachy!)

[[M] Ron - Cop Dad]

You are a noisy banana.

##Vote: Banana

YOU KILLED OUR DOCTOR FOR THIS?

I AM SO OUTRAGED THAT I AM TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS

LOOK AT ME GO

WHOA-A-A-A-AOH!

##vote: Peach

ok I think I calmed down somewhat NO WAIT HERE I GO AGAIN smurf YOU PEACH!!!

METAPHORICALLY SPEAKING!!! smurf YOU!!!

seeing as how typing in all caps constitutes shouting on the internet, I am now curious as to see whether or not I will get lynched for being a noisy...whatever fruit I am. Pear or olives or something I dunno.

I refuse to defend myself against this rubish.

The only reason for inactivity for the first day normally points towards one thing: not wanting to draw attention to yourself which is only something mafia would have to worry about.

I don't believe that this is completely accurate. Everyone is just as likely to be Mafia as everyone else, so the fact that a player is staying out of the spotlight isn't really an accurate means of judging their role. A more practical reason to vote inactives is to get rid of the people who aren't helping. In this case, it's much, much more appropriate to instead vote those who are active and saying very little.

This post is less directed at you and more so at the entire group of players. Just something to think about.

The STD's part sounds right, but again her role does not concern me at the moment especially when it's an extremely silly one. We lost a doctor and people are concerned with an STD whoring Furry. Oi vey.

The postceding argument relies on the fact that Town Furry is in fact town-aligned. Judging by the "Town" in the title, I'm going to assume that it is.

Excuse me? We just lost a cop and an extra kill each night all in one kill! On top of that a doctor, like you said. But, in my opinion, Town Furry is much more powerful than a doctor.

I do not believe that a mafia would be so stupid to draw the attention that Banana has draw in. I do believe Red Apple's joke went entirely over Banana's head. Banana is very defensive, but is right in thinking changing a quote is suspicious. This just isn't the right context for it. I do believe at least one of these fruits: Banana, Watermelon, Cherry, Red Apple, and Plum are sour. It may be incriminating if Watermelon and/or Red Apple is revealed to be bad so they could try to defend that fruit by trying to redirect attention to another player.

And Mafia will frequently rely on the fact that people feel such as you do in order to move in the open without being noticed. I've seen it happen many times. Because Mafioso understand that people will think that the people in the spotlight are drawing too much attention - staying in the spotlight is exactly what most think is top priority for a Mafioso - they think that they can hide easily by sitting in said spotlight. Again, activity is not an accurate basis for judgment, unless of course the inactive in question is hurting the town too much. It's extremely unlikely that an inactive will be Mafia though. Generally speaking, players with Mafioso accounts will have more fun with the game, so they won't be able to force themselves to be inactive for too long.

I saw voting on an inactive as something a mafia member would do.

Although you consede that you are wrong, I'm going to emphasize my opinion for a moment. I disagree with this whole-heartedly. If the Mafia want to win this game (with sixteen players, I figure that we have three or four Mafia, unless we have a third party, which is very possible), they're going to make a vote that matters during the day. Inactives hinder the town to an enormous extent, and those hindrences aid the Mafia. Mafia aren't going to vote seriously on an inactive at any time during a game unless it's faining townsperson. However, faining town is much lower on a Mafia's priorities than is killing town, so this happens extremely infrequently, and then mostly with noob Mafia.

Actually, I'm very concerned if this role carries an STD and could possibly kill if used. The question I would ask is, did Strawberry sleep with someone last night? And if so, who?

This is absolutely inconsequential now that the role is gone. That's exactly what I'm saying. If the role was town-aligned, we just lost an amazing (albeit slightly risky) power role.

Okay, enough for theory. Let's get some relevant thoughts going.

On the defensive immediately, thats what I like too see! The silly day one voting stick isn't gonna wash I'm afraid. I find it weird that 3 players would display a similar voting pattern day one ie lets vote the inactive players. I know from previous mafia outings there is usually a mafia amongst the inactive players & to draw attention away from that, other mafia vote for them day 1 & from day 2 onwards dismiss their actions as merely day 1 randomness.

This is what I'm talking about! This isn't helping at all, Cherry. You're being patronizing and just arguing, not discussing. If Watermelon isn't Mafia, then you're condemning an innocent man. Everyone is defensive in Mafia. If you don't defend yourself, you get killed. YOU GET KILLED. So defensiveness is not solely suspicious. It must be paired with other things first. Now, if you had instead voted someone else, say, Pomegranate (just a random role here), and then Watermelon jumped to Pomegranate's defense, it'd be suspicious. Sorry for the reference there, Pomegranate. Nothing personal :3

Why did I pick you over the other 2 who exhibited this voting pattern? Well is closing my eyes & picking one at random a good enough reason

No, it really isn't.

There is also the problem of time zones, which is why I hate voting for inactives straight away.

I agree with this in its entirety.

I'm gonna lay it out. We need less arguing and more discussion. I didn't like all of that pointless junk with Banana on Day 1, which is why I voted him. We weren't unjustified in voting him; we can only vote based on what we know, and we know very little on Day 1. Also, we've had some mix-ups because of jokes and whatnot. Jokes are cool. It's okay to drop them, along with some sarcasm, every once in a while, but words are all that we have to go off of in this game, so keep the jokes and sarcasm to a minimum and it'll help the Town A LOT. Honestly, most of the arguing so far has been based off of such jokes. Without the jokes, we would be somewhere more productive right now. Heck, we might even have our Doctor right now.

And now onto my personal opinions. I know that it's early in the game, but I'm gonna go for it anyway. I'll just list all of them that are relevant.
[M] Orange - You need to chill out. This is a game. You are taking it too seriously. Colours matter. They really do. Being gone for so long will draw attention. Being gone for so long and then coming back so violently will draw even more attention. I'm not talking about good attention.

[M] Peach - That's me!

[M] Watermelon - Your excuse for voting Red Apple is absolutely meaningless. You can't just vote for someone randomly because you don't remember them posting much, after which you say openly that you understood at the time that Red Apple didn't "deserved" the vote. Just because it's all cleared up now doesn't mean that it's "all good." This isn't the most scummy thing that's happened yet, but it is in fact scummy.

[M] Raspberry - You haven't said much so far, but what you have said has been rooted in logic, and I like that. You're not arguing pointlessly with people.

[M] Blueberry - I think that the majority of votes against you has to do with the fact that you jumped on Banana so early. I don't agree with this at all. I'm not saying that you're scummy. I'm not saying that you're innocent. I'm just saying that I don't agree with the general concensus against you.

[M] Pomegranate - I don't agree with a lot of your logic, but you don't seem overly scummy to me. I have to stress though that colours do matter.

[M] Kiwi - I agree with Raspberry's idea. I even think that you are more suspicious than Blueberry. I believe that, if you flip scum, Kiwi, Blueberry is definitely Mafia.

[M] Plum - You seem level-headed. As of right now, I don't see you as scummy at all.

[M] Mango - You have added absolutely nothing to the discussion yet. You're distracting the town, and that is a horribly scummy thing to do. Tell us something that matters.

I'll address other players later. I have some things to get done before dinner.