Game of Thrones: House of the Dragon!

[Bunny]

This episode was probably the most boring yet. It's understandable though, since it consists almost entirely of setup for the last two episodes of the season. Still, there were some good moments between almost all of the characters. Jon and Dany's story continue to be boring, but that's mostly because they have no meat to them since the characters are largely irrelevant for most of the book. I'm sure Dany will get more interested in the season finale, same with Jon.

I love Bronn and I want more of him. Seeing Varys again was good too.

[Freya]

Apparently they got the director of that movie centurion or something, and they had to keep trying to tell him, "tone it down! We don't have THAT much money" cause he was adding more action scenes. Eventually they just let him do whatever and that's when they had to ask for more money from HBO. Luckily HBO gave them more ha. So this next episode should be amazing, action wise that is.

[Shlup]

The entire season has been a buildup for the next episode. Eeeee!

I feel like anyone who would think Cat is stupid hasn't bothered to take a moment to really put themselves in her shoes. Her husband was murdered, the murderers hold her daughters (well, they don't know Arya's MIA), another murderer has her little boys... though I was sure that at this point in the books she had heard Theon killed the boys. She is a mother, and all of her childrens' lives are in very direct danger. If I were her, I would be smurfing trout up all over the place to save my kids. Getting her girls back costs her, what, Jaime? In the books she makes him swear an oath not to take up arms again, at least. Regardless, what kind of parent wouldn't trade one guy for their captive children? He's a good fighter, sure, but it's not even like he's a great tactician; he can be captured or killed, but there may not be another chance for Cat to save her girls, especially since Karstark was looking to kill Jaime the first chance he'd get.

P.S. Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter has a wonderful tush.

[Freya]

I'm too excited about blackwater.

[Jinx]

I am actually not looking forward to next week's episode. I thought Blackwater was one of the most boring parts of Storm of Swords.

[Freya]

We already decided you'd have preferred a fashion show as the big conflict in Clash of Kings. So shoo shoo you.

[Jinx]

I hate you, Kaycee.

[Freya]

[Raistlin]

I feel like anyone who would think Cat is stupid hasn't bothered to take a moment to really put themselves in her shoes. Her husband was murdered, the murderers hold her daughters (well, they don't know Arya's MIA), another murderer has her little boys... though I was sure that at this point in the books she had heard Theon killed the boys. She is a mother, and all of her childrens' lives are in very direct danger. If I were her, I would be smurfing trout up all over the place to save my kids. Getting her girls back costs her, what, Jaime? In the books she makes him swear an oath not to take up arms again, at least. Regardless, what kind of parent wouldn't trade one guy for their captive children? He's a good fighter, sure, but it's not even like he's a great tactician; he can be captured or killed, but there may not be another chance for Cat to save her girls, especially since Karstark was looking to kill Jaime the first chance he'd get.

If she had even the slightest reason to think releasing Jaime actually would result in her getting her daughters back, maybe. But she doesn't. At all.

And this is not too far removed from when she arrested Tyrion and insisted he tried to kill Bran on absolutely no evidence, risking her husband's and daughters' lives in the process.

Yeah, Cat is retarded. You can sympathize in her position without condoning her conduct. IIRC, it was around this point in the books that I wrote Cat off as a character for simply being just too unrealistically stupid.

[Jinx]

I feel like anyone who would think Cat is stupid hasn't bothered to take a moment to really put themselves in her shoes. Her husband was murdered, the murderers hold her daughters (well, they don't know Arya's MIA), another murderer has her little boys... though I was sure that at this point in the books she had heard Theon killed the boys. She is a mother, and all of her childrens' lives are in very direct danger. If I were her, I would be smurfing tit up all over the place to save my kids. Getting her girls back costs her, what, Jaime? In the books she makes him swear an oath not to take up arms again, at least. Regardless, what kind of parent wouldn't trade one guy for their captive children? He's a good fighter, sure, but it's not even like he's a great tactician; he can be captured or killed, but there may not be another chance for Cat to save her girls, especially since Karstark was looking to kill Jaime the first chance he'd get.

If she had even the slightest reason to think releasing Jaime actually would result in her getting her daughters back, maybe. But she doesn't. At all.

And this is not too far removed from when she arrested Tyrion and insisted he tried to kill Bran on absolutely no evidence, risking her husband's and daughters' lives in the process.

Yeah, Cat is retarded. You can sympathize in her position without condoning her conduct. IIRC, it was around this point in the books that I wrote Cat off as a character for simply being just too unrealistically stupid.

It can be argued that her doing that started the chain of events that got Ned beheaded and started this whole war.

[Shlup]

If she had even the slightest reason to think releasing Jaime actually would result in her getting her daughters back, maybe. But she doesn't. At all.

I disagree. It was a desperate, grief-driven move, but I don't agree at all that there's no chance Cersei would trade the girls for Jaime. Also, that decision leads to Brienne and Jaime hanging out, which is one of my favorite storylines, and leads to Jaime becoming one of my favorite characters. So even if you're unable to emphathise with Cat (and I really honestly don't expect you of all people to be capable of that), the results of that decision, so far, have been awesome.

Though I do agree that arresting Tyrion was a bad decision. Still, every character has made at least one decision that bad or worse, but we don't just declare "This book is full of retards!" and quit reading.

Arresting Tyrion turned out to have titty consequences, but attempting to trade off Jaime so far has had awesome consequences so boo on you both.

Also huge book spoilerif someone from the Northern army didn't kill Jaime beforehand (as they stated directly, in the show that they probably would have), he would've been released during the Red Wedding anyway. Cat couldn't have predicted the Red Wedding, obviously, but I say it all worked out the best way it was gonna.

[Jinx]

Are you booing me? What did I do?

[Shlup]

Supporting Raistlin in any capacity gets you boo'd.

[Jinx]

I can completely understand why she'd try to trade Jaime Lannister. Yeah, it probably wouldn't have worked, buuuuuuuuuut...it was the only way she could forsee a chance of getting back her daughters. I always kind of thought Robb was a dick for caring more about his appearance as a king than his sisters.

But I think it was stupid she kidnapped Tyrion.

[Freya]

I dunno, Jaime is well, a badass, and not only that he's a symbol for the lannisters. He was a leader of their armies. He was a very important captive. His capture was a huge blow to the Lannister's morale as well as their forces. If they gave him back he would be back with the lannisters and could be fighting and winning against them and their cause.

Cat just letting him go was a stupid move. The way she did it was a stupid way. It wasn't like it would have been in any form a successful return, one person (show wise) to escort one of the most important captives across the land to negotiate a trade of the Stark girls. Like the Lannisters would really, in good faith, give them back. Just from the knowledge they have at that point, they wouldn't be the type of people to just be like "OH OKAY HERE have your girls back ^_^ it's all good ^_^" The only knowledge (show wise) that they have that they'd ever give them up is Littlefinger going "yeah we'll totes give em back." There was no agreement, no formal discussion. No it was just her going "oh I HOPE they are true to their word even though they are notorious for smurfing our trout up. I'll get my girls back!"

It was a stupid move. Stupid. Even grief stricken as she is in the books, it's still stupid. I understand she sees it as her only option to get some of her only living children back but it doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid move and Robb has every right to be a dick about it. She just lost a valuable asset to his cause. Even before the Jeyne nonsense, he could have at least been like "well I still have the kingslayer yo" but he didn't. So after he loses support book spoilerfrom the freys and the karstarks and then the whole losing the kingslayer thing as well as theon messing up his trout in winterfell so he doesn't even have a home to go to, he's left with a very weak camp. According to the TV storyline so far, he's already lost winterfell. Okay that's a strike down but he still has the kingslayer, OH WAIT nvm. Well at least he'll still have the book spoiler kindasupport of his troops, OH WAIT he just ruined that by sleeping with Charlie Chaplin's grandaughter just they haven't shown the repercussions of that little tryst just yet. Theu just alluded to it when he mentioned he didn't want the Frey girl. So yah, Cat made an extremely stupid move for the King of the North. He makes an equally stupid move but it just weakens an already weakened camp due to her move.

Cat is really the big reason everything ends up the way it is. The tensions were palpable with Ned in the capital, yah, but with her taking Tyrion, she causes everything to just spark off and take motion. She was the one who put her children in such danger. Grief stricken or not, it doesn't mean it was a smart move. And hell, instead of getting her ass back to winterfell to be with her youngest children not in the capital she chills out with Robb. Whom, while he is leading a war, he is very capable of defending himself as well as everyone around him. What is she really going to do to help with being there? She's no Brienne. In the show they don't even have the lord hoster thing to keep her there. She's just chillin' to chill. If she was at winterfell she could have been like "Uh Bran, probably not a good idea to send all the men away from winterfell when everyone wants your family dead cause of the war going on...." But no, she's so worried about certain parts of her family that she forgets others. Apparently Bran and Rickon weren't important to her even though one was like 6 and the other a cripple. Cat is an idiot.