streme Wheelie
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The Pilgrimage
Yuna starts in Besaid and goes all the way through to Zanarkand. Linear as smurf, some might say. But what about Dona? Where does she start? She has to go backwards to get to Besaid; how counterproductive.
The Pilgrimage is all sorts of messed up. The fact that there are lost fayth but summoners are still able to prove themselves worthy is bulltrout. Could one simply go straight to Yunalesca if they wanted to?
Discuss this. All of it. Messing with my head.
With Yevon obviously being corrupt as tit they'd simply 'hide' the lesser known fayth like Anima and Yojimbo. The purpose of the pilgrimage is to make the bond between summoner and guardian as strong as possible so Yunalesca can turn the guardian into a very strong Final Aeon. Travelling and overcoming challenges are good ways to strengthen that bond, so it doesn't really matter which direction you're going first I guess. Who said pilgrimages should be lineair in the first place?
Maybe you could go to Yunalesca straight away, but maybe then she just wouldn't give you the Final Aeon if she thinks the bond isn't strong enough. That's my take on it anyway.
besaid had a port... lol
I agree with pete, its the bond that the pilgrimage creates rather then the collection they amass. Not only that these secret aeons aren't so secret, just optional, hense lulu's first summoners fail.
Braska was from Bevelle which means he was practically at Zanarkand but had to goa aaallll the way back to Besaid then come aaaallll the way back to Bevelle before crossing the Calm Lands and Gagazet.Originally Posted by Jiro
Perhaps it seems inefficient but it isn't a pleasure cruise. It is supposed to be a long and arduous journey.
Don't you guys remember Trema welcoming Yuna to the Zanarkand Dome? (Well, it was his model at any rate)The Pilgrimage is all sorts of messed up. The fact that there are lost fayth but summoners are still able to prove themselves worthy is bulltrout. Could one simply go straight to Yunalesca if they wanted to?
Spiritual Man: Journeyer of the long road, name yourself.
Yuna: I am the summoner Yuna. I have come from the island of Besaid.
Spiritual Man: Your eyes, my dear. Show me the long road you have traveled. Very good. You have journeyed well. Lady Yunalesca will surely welcome your arrival. Go to her now, and bring your guardians with you. Go.
So, yeah, the dude probably tells you to piss off if you just tried to skip Djose and Macalania or whatever.
And if you insist on seeing Yunalesca I reckon you do about as well as Auron did.
Okay, so, how do you know Dona had to backtrack?
I've always wondered why they need to get the aeons in a specific order. I mean, I guess you'd just have to end up heading back to Zanarkand, but still.
I've also always wondered this: they say Yuna isn't a full-fledged summoner until she gets all of the aeons. But as soon as she gets all of the aeons, she's gotta die. This doesn't make sense.
streme Wheelie
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I know that Isaaru has all of the other summons at least, and he's clearly not from Besaid, so he would have had to backtrack. I just couldn't remember his name at the beginning! xD
I'm saying, they say throughout the game "Yuna must complete her pilgrimage to become a full-fledged summoner."
But that would mean she's only full-fledged when she dies.
streme Wheelie
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You become full-fledged when you obtain the Final Aeon, so it's almost the same thing but not quite.
I think you're misremembering there.
Wakka: There's a room in there called the Cloister of Trials. Beyond is where the apprentice summoner prays. If the prayer is heard, the apprentice becomes a fully-fledged summoner, remember?
Apprentice Summoner - Learns about the Summoner Arts
Summoner - Successfully receives at least 1 Aeon
High Summoner - Defeats Sin with Final Aeon
They never go into it but I bet there have been at least a couple Summoners who got Final Aeons that weren't strong enough and they died fighting Sin.
What I'm saying is, she can't really go around calling herself a summoner yet. Those who become true summoners die, or become Belgemine. Well, I guess Belgemine is dead. But you know what I mean.
I know I'm nitpicking here, really.
Also, something that's always confused me--Seymour is a summoner. He is not on a pilgrimage? The game makes it pretty clear if you want to be a summoner, you go on a pilgrimage. That's the point of a summoner. Why is this?
Master of the Fork
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Anima is Seymours mother. She wanted him to become a summoner. He can summon Anima. He didn't want to go on the pilgrimage himself.
There is some optional dialogue you can get about Seymour's backstory in Macalania Temple.
Auronlu's Complete FFX Script - Chapter VIII: Macalania
Seymour as a summoner:
As a summoner, Maester Seymour's strength is matchless. Yet, he became a maester of Yevon instead of undertaking the pilgrimage to battle Sin. I think he believes that there's more to a summoner's duty than just destroying Sin.
Consider also Lulu's and Wakka's former Summoner Father Zuke who quit his Pilgrimage and became a priest.
Seymour already has his Final Aeon in Anima. He doesn't need to go on a Pilgrimage anyway.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that text.
But how do you assume that his Final Aeon is Anima?
Young Seymour: No! Mother, no! I don't want you to become a fayth!
Seymour's Mother: There is no other way. Use me and defeat Sin. Only then will the people accept you.
This flashback was seen in Zanarkand along with a flashback of another High Smmoner named Yocun and of course the ones with Braska, Jecht and Auron.
Consider also that when Yunalesca lists the bonds strong enough to make a Final Aeon capable of defeating Sin, she lists the bond between mother and child.
Anima was clearly made by Yunalesca and it was intended to defeat Sin.
Except in that case, it makes no sense how you or any other summoner besides Seymour could use Anima.
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