I'm going to have to agree with Bolivar here. I don't even rank VII that high but some of these games you've posted have less merit than VII. White Knight Chronicles is a boring game with a generic cast and plot, and while its gameplay has a novel idea, it just can't carry the game for how tedious it is. I feel VII is overrated and while I agree with some of your reasoning's for not liking it (and could add a bit more) I'd still rank it over some of these games you've listed.

You already know how I feel about Atelier which while I can agree the crafting system is well done, it just can't make up for the bland plot, characters and gameplay. Like the Tales franchise, it is the RPG equivalent of Junk Food compared to the more exquisite meals offered by Breath of Fire, Suikoden, and most of the numbered FF series.

The fact you can rank these two series in your top 50 and turn around to consider Xenogears one of the worst games of all time just confounds me.

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