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    Well written, Spooniest.

    Jimquisition has some interesting points about this stuff. He's a little bit disgusting and tries to make everything sound just as important, but look past that and there is definitely some wisdom to be found. These are pretty good:
    Damn Fine Coffee | Jimquisition Video Gallery | The Escapist
    Guns Blazing | Jimquisition Video Gallery | The Escapist

    Passion vs. marketing, this is. Consumers do not know what they want. Do not let them decide what you make. Let the artist let loose, give the crowd the chance to admire it, and leave the rest be.

    Soul, is what we're looking for.

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    When did I last start a Final Fantasy game and become instantly mesmerized? FFIX.

    That was a loooooooooooong time ago. Step it up, guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    Remember when FFVIII got lambasted by everyone and their uncle for being rubbish? Remember when FFX got the same treatment (by me, too, no less)? XII got a lot of criticism, too. Even FFVI fans are quick to lambast FFVII when given the opportunity. Modern gamers look back at games like FFII and FFIII with disbelief that they could be seen as good games.

    Final Fantasy is arguably never outdone when it comes to reinventing itself. Square, Squaresoft, Square Enix... they innovate in every Final Fantasy game they create. It's always something new, it's never the same.

    Gamers who enjoy one Final Fantasy game might not enjoy another Final Fantasy game. We have so many previous Final Fantasy games that at the time of FFXIII's release, you had fans of twelve very different games with different stories, different characters, different leveling systems, different battle systems, different minigames, different worlds. At the time of FFXIII's release, more than ever, the fans of these very different games were able to communicate with each other online. The world is huge, now. Everyone has their opinions. When FFXIII was released, the people all were hoping for a game more like the one they enjoyed most from the previous series.

    What they got was Final Fantasy XIII. Like it or not, it was a different game. It had a different story, different characters, a different leveling system, a different battle system, different (if few) minigames, different worlds. Those who wanted FFVII got FFXIII. Those who wanted FFVI got FFXIII. Those who wanted FFX got FFXIII. It was a new game, and it has divided opinion just like the Final Fantasy games before it (VIII, X, XII, etc) - only now, more than ever, there are enough people online who could get together and rant about how it wasn't the game they wanted, and downgrade the rating to fit their rage at such an occurance. Final Fantasy XIII still got a decent rating compared to many games, though. Because it picked up new fans - FFXIII fans - along with those fans of previous FF's that were happy enough to see the game for what it was rather than for which previous FF it was not.

    In the end, Square Enix released a Final Fantasy game.

    With FFXIV, they did the same, but they buggered it up because it was buggy and laggy as hell. These are things that are actually inexcusable - FFXIII had no bugs whatosever that I've known about.

    Still, Square Enix - in the case of both games - innovated. They tried new things. Success or failure, they did what Call of Duty, Uncharted, Far Cry, Starcraft and others did not. They didn't take what they knew already worked in previous games and create more of the same. They made something new. They started from scratch and worked their way up, even creating a new engine for both games. Like it or not, Square Enix will do what very few other games in this industry do and try to shake things up.

    People criticise Square Enix, but these same people also criticise the industry for a lack of innovation. Perhaps they need to consider exactly what they want out of the industry. More of the same, or something new? If you want more of the same, it's out there in bulk. If you want something new in an AAA title, you have to look to the few developers out there that have the money and the balls to create such a thing. Those developers include Square Enix.

    Do I trust Square Enix? Like Spooniest quite rightly pointed out, I don't have to trust them, it's not about trust. If they make a game I don't like, it doesn't mean I'm going to not trust them. I mean, if one of you lot were to like a movie I thought was crap, that doesn't mean I'm going to think that all movies you like are crap. Likewise, if you like a movie I think is amazing, I'll bet that there is a movie out there that you like that I don't. These things happen. It's a matter of opinion.
    Ironically I actually mentioned agreeing with you, Spooniest, in this old post of mine, yet on this occasion I feel you've switched your opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony BoB View Post
    Ironically I actually mentioned agreeing with you, Spooniest, in this old post of mine, yet on this occasion I feel you've switched your opinion.
    I'm curious as to where that assertion has its roots. How does my letter (the original post in this topic) indicate trust for them, the people at SE, personally? If anything, it shows that I am counting on absolutely nothing.

    I merely desire for the series to grow, to evolve, in much the same way it has been. I consider some of the choices made for FFXIII to be disconcerting.

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    This is just a personal opinion, but if there's anything FF in particular have never needed more of, it's fan conjecture and "critical analysis".


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    Felt it was pretty obvious who Bolivar was referring to, since his post makes no sense in response to TBs.

    I'll echo the general consensus that inevitably arises in threads like these; pretty much every FF has caused outrage in some capacity. More people have easier access to more loudspeakers now, so we hear about it more often, but it's all the same story. And as BoB said, I also have massive respect for SE for being one of the few developers out there with the balls to innovate and experiment. The only consistent theme in Final Fantasy is one of change, and it's brilliant because of this.

    Also, anti-religious themes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quint Eastwood View Post
    Also, anti-religious themes.
    More anti-organised religion. They have gods in FF's, but the people who claim to speak for them often... don't.
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