Doctor Who: Season 10

[Lonely Paper Star]

So, Doctor Who comes back in less than a week! Who's excited?

BBC America Schedule (http://www.bbcamerica.com/schedule/?week=1) - Pay attention to late Tuesday and Wednesday for a marathon of Torchwood. Then Friday (starting midnight) and Saturday (up to the premiere) for a Doctor Who marathon. :D

Trailer ~

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The Bells of Saint John: A Prequel ~

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PS - I spotted this a couple days ago ~
Doctor Who fanfiction contest on Figment.com (http://dailyfig.figment.com/2013/03/21/doctor-who-fan-fiction-contest/) ~ deadline April 3rd

[Agent Proto]

I love how the end of this month, two of my favorite shows are continuing. I'm definitely looking forward to Doctor Who continuing this season, though I'm not all excited about Matt leaving. (It's true, this is his last season as the Doctor. :cry:)

[Jinx]

Who is excited, she asks.

Ha.


Also, I refuse to watch those previews, as I want to be totally surprised when I see the episodes.

[Shauna]

Sigh.

I am not excited. But I will watch it anyway.

[Psychotic]

I'm not all excited about Matt leaving. (It's true, this is his last season as the Doctor. :cry:)Not confirmed. :colbert: But I tell you what, if they need a new Doctor I reckon I'd be good at it!

Excited for the new series!

[NorthernChaosGod]

Did we not have a Doctor Who thread before this?

I can't wait.

[Jinx]

I'm not all excited about Matt leaving. (It's true, this is his last season as the Doctor. :cry:)Not confirmed. :colbert: But I tell you what, if they need a new Doctor I reckon I'd be good at it!

Excited for the new series!

New Master, imho.

But Psy's right. It hasn't been confirmed. (Although it can be assumed. Matt Smith has stated he'd like to do movies, and this is his third season as the Doctor.)

[The Man]

Smith has confirmed that he will continue to play the Doctor until at least 2014. So it's not entirely clear if this is his last season or not, but I doubt it.

Anyway, yeah, hugely looking forward to the return of DW. Easily one of my favourite shows. Really looking forward to finding out what the new companion's deal is - there are already tons of Epileptic Trees about her.

[Jinx]

Wtf is an Epileptic Tree?

[The Man]

Epileptic Trees - Television Tropes & Idioms (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EpilepticTrees)

[Jinx]

I hate TV Tropes so much.

[The Man]

It is a time vacuum.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tab_explosion.png

[Jinx]

No. That's not what I meant. I just hate it in general, not because it's addicting (which I don't find it to be).

[Bunny]

If the 12th Doctor is anyone but Benedict Cumberbatch I will be very disappointed.

[The Man]

Cumberbatch would be perfect for the role, yes, although it would be weird to have him as the lead in two Steven Moffat shows.

Spoiler-free review (http://io9.com/spoiler-free-review-of-next-weeks-doctor-who-premiere-458434394) of the upcoming episode.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Did we not have a Doctor Who thread before this?

I didn't see it.


... Also, I could spend forever on TVTropes. :redface:

[charliepanayi]

I'm rather baffled why anyone would actively dislike TVTropes.

[Jinx]

I'm rather baffled why anyone would actively dislike TVTropes.

I think it's stupid?

[Formalhaut]

I looove Doctor Who. Looking really forward to it. I like how we already know who the assistant is and we've had two full (cryptic) episodes. Really gets you sucked in.

Is there going to be a mid-season break like last time? That was really irritating...

[Jinx]

I looove Doctor Who. Looking really forward to it. I like how we already know who the assistant is and we've had two full (cryptic) episodes. Really gets you sucked in.

Is there going to be a mid-season break like last time? That was really irritating...

I think Christmas to March was technically the mid-season break. ;)

[Lonely Paper Star]

Here's a fun and interesting infographic about the Doctor. (http://blogs.virginmedia.com/tvradio/blogs/an-illustrated-guide-to-doctor-who)

[The Man]

That's pretty cool, although it's pretty much officially confirmed at this point that the Doctor has more than thirteen lives because the twelve regenerations limit was imposed by the Time Lords. It was stated in an episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures that he has 507 regenerations, but I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

[NorthernChaosGod]

That's pretty cool, although it's pretty much officially confirmed at this point that the Doctor has more than thirteen lives because the twelve regenerations limit was imposed by the Time Lords. It was stated in an episode of The Sarah Jane Adventures that he has 507 regenerations, but I'm pretty sure that was a joke.

Not only that, but he should have even gained regenerations from River when she revived him.

[Psychotic]

Well, you know what they say about plans!
What?
I haven't got one!

[charliepanayi]

Weak plot (and boy TV has to stop with trying to ever depict anything to do with computers and hacking) but Smith was good value as ever, and Coleman seems great, so hoping they get some better plotlines over the next few episodes. There were enough good lines in there to make me hopeful anyway.

[Jinx]

Next week's episode looks fantastic.

The part at the end when she says she'll be the judge of whether or not it's a snog box, and he asks her when that will be, I just wanted her to say, "Now." and kiss him. Sappy.

Also, Indian guy at the beginning of the episode looks like Daniel Radcliffe.

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa196/narcissisticprincess09/Untitledkkk_zpscb765621.png

[Formalhaut]

I quite liked this week's episode actually. While I don't really quite understand why they were collecting humans in this Wi-Fi network (Hint: The 'client' will undoubtedly feature in more episodes) but it was a decent starter that will form a foundation for further episodes. I guess it helps remind us of Clara and her mystery what with all the flashbacks.

[Jinx]

I thought the ending was sad when that older chick was reverted to her original state, and she has the mind of a little girl. Aren't her mummy and daddy coming back? :(


Also, I guess we know why Oswin has such mad haxxorz

[Psychotic]

Yeah the ending was depressing.

[Formalhaut]

I thought the ending was sad when...blah blah blah spoiler
Completely agree! The entire episode, she was made out to be a villain, but then the conclusion of the episode saw her to be a mere pawn to this 'client's' game. I am very intrigued to know who this client is. My first thought was the Master, but I do doubt it.

[Jinx]

They said it was the Great Intelligence.

Great Intelligence - Tardis Data Core, the Doctor Who Wiki (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Intelligence)

[Psychotic]

Yeah it straight up told you it was the Great Intelligence, the villain from the last episode - the Christmas one. You saw the delightful face of Richard E. Grant for a moment!

[Jinx]

Yeah it straight up told you it was the Great Intelligence, the villain from the last episode - the Christmas one. You saw the delightful face of Richard E. Grant for a moment!

And here I just thought the villain was snow. Silly me.

[The Man]

Loved the episode. No smurfs given about the fact that technologically it makes little to no sense. Doctor Who has always been a science fantasy show and the episode was internally consistent, which was the important part. Presumably the Great Intelligence has the power to override trivial considerations like the abilities of wi-fi in real life.

Love Clara's character and want it to be next Saturday already.

[Agent Proto]

I'm surprised it's available to torrent so quickly. :p

[The Man]

It aired in the U.K. at like 3pm our time, if not even earlier. It shouldn't be that surprising.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I thought the ending was sad when that older chick was reverted to her original state, and she has the mind of a little girl. Aren't her mummy and daddy coming back? :(


Also, I guess we know why Oswin has such mad haxxorz

Yeah, I agree about the ending. ;.;


I finally got to sit down and watch the episode. I liked it a lot, and I like that Clara has her own mysteries and riddles and all that.

EDIT: Also found this (http://doctorwho.tumblr.com/post/46733534748) on Tumblr and it made me lol. Might be spoilery?

[blackmage_nuke]

all the people who were downloaded who then had thier bodies burried? are they now burried alive? not knowing where they are? trying to claw thier way out of a coffin?

also

Weak plot (and boy TV has to stop with trying to ever depict anything to do with computers and hacking).

I assume space hacking is completely different to regular hacking, if you told an alien hacking isnt like that at all, then they'd be the one sneering at your simple computer skillz as they push the anal probe deeper.

[Bunny]

Overall decent episode. I don't really expect Doctor Who, or any show like it, to portray anything but super fantastical things when it comes to most subjects - especially technology. The Great Intelligence being the bad guy should make for some entertaining episodes and pretty neat twists.

Currently trying to figure out how, or if, the missing numbers from Clara's book are important (1-9, 16, and 23). Those seem like something that would come into play later on as a clue to what, or who, she really is. Also, did anyone notice the author of the book?

[The Man]

Of course, it was Amy Pond (well, Williams, but regardless, it's clearly Pond). There's no way that won't have an effect on later episodes.

To be honest while the ending was sad it was also kind of scary. I mean, the fact that the Great Intelligence can reduce someone to the mental state of a child is pretty damn creepy.

[blackmage_nuke]

the Great Intelligence can reduce someone to the mental state of a child is pretty damn creepy.
I thought the point was
THe Great Intelligence had been controlling her since she was a young child and by restoring default factory settings she was going back to the way she was before she started being controlled

Unless you were making a joke

[The Man]

Now that I've read more about the episode you're right. I must have missed where they said she'd been under mind control for fifty years. I'll have to watch it (and a lot of the other episodes) again - I suspect there were a lot of small things I missed.

[blackmage_nuke]

Now that I've read more about the episode you're right. I must have missed where they said she'd been under mind control for fifty years. I'll have to watch it (and a lot of the other episodes) again - I suspect there were a lot of small things I missed.

she said something along the lines of "i've had you whispering in my ear for so long I dont rememebr who i was before" I dont think it ever says how long which is what makes it such a shock when she's a child again. And if we recall the snow man episode, TGI was controlling that old man since he was young too so that seems to be it's MO

[Jinx]

Yeah, Blackmage Nuke, that's what I took from it as well.

So, who's the woman in the shop? At first I thought maybe it was River, but then I threw that idea away, because it looks like the Doctor might be developing feelings for Clara. And to me, I never got the impression the Doctor was ever actually in love with River Song. So, I doubt she'd send competition to him.

Because of the book, I also considered it might be Amy, but she'd be dead. And she obviously died in New York, so that's a no go either.

Any ideas?



Also, I didn't notice that numbers were missing from her journal.

[Formalhaut]

I also found that age numbers were missing from her book. I knew 23 was missing, I didn't give a hard enough look for the other numbers. It's interesting why their missing.

As for the lady in the shop? Hmm. Might be River Song. That was my first guess. It's going to be a friend of the Doctor I think. It can't be Amy or Rory given they were sent way back in time. Could be Martha I suppose, I mean, she's not dead or otherwise been teleported off somewhere. I can't think of any other ladies to be fair.

[Jinx]

I had thought maybe Rose, as she and Ten are confirmed back for the 50th Anniversary special.

I don't think it's Martha.

[Formalhaut]

That's a very good point actually. Why didn't I think of that earlier?

[Jinx]

I honestly don't think it's Rose. It might be, though. Who knows?

The interesting thing is that the phone on the TARDIS isn't supposed to work. And (at least in the new series, can't say for the old one) the only other time it's ever worked was when Rose was with Nine. And some creepy voodoo magic.

But again, I doubt it's her, really.

[Psychotic]

It won't be any of the 10th Doctor's companions, they're done and dusted. The anniversary is just a special episode that will probably have little to do with the coninuity of this series. Also, I really don't think he has feelings for Clara. There'll be flirting - there always is - but I doubt it'll go beyond that.

[Jinx]

I brought up the anniversary episode just because Matt Smith said in some interview the entire season is leading up to that episode. I could've taken what he said the wrong way, though.

And no, I don't have a source. Just remember reading that recently.

[Iceglow]

Well personal thoughts on that episode was "more please!"

I have to say, I hope the character of Clara sticks around for some time yet, after all Jenna-Louise Coleman is the hottest actress we've had as a companion so far (Karen Gillan is hot but sadly not the hottest) plus it could make for a very interesting story arc in the future because obviously The Doctor knows someday, somehow Clara is going to end up as that Dalek. I'm wondering if we're witnessing another instance similar to River Song's character story. Which means we know the Doctor must leave Clara sometime in the 24th century onwards.

[Jinx]

Time can be rewritten. We've already seen that. And when the Doctor met Clara in Asylum of the Daleks, she clearly states that it was the first time she'd been out in the world. (I guess she could've lied, but I don't feel that.)

Maybe that was a timeline that was changed. What she would've been if she'd never met the Doctor.

[Iceglow]

This is his past though the key point in all the Doctor Who story lines where time is re-written is that he is a fixed point in time, therefore his past cannot be changed. Or so that's the way River Song leaves it sounding.

[Jinx]

I'm not inclined to believe that they have two ladies back-to-back who both meet him in the wrong order.

At least not on that level.

[charliepanayi]

Guy who plays Robb Stark dates Jenna-Louise Coleman. Time to lobby for a Doctor Who/Game of Thrones crossover episode.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Overall decent episode. I don't really expect Doctor Who, or any show like it, to portray anything but super fantastical things when it comes to most subjects - especially technology. The Great Intelligence being the bad guy should make for some entertaining episodes and pretty neat twists.

Currently trying to figure out how, or if, the missing numbers from Clara's book are important (1-9, 16, and 23). Those seem like something that would come into play later on as a clue to what, or who, she really is. Also, did anyone notice the author of the book?

I noticed 23 was missing as that one was the easiest to spot. That may end up being something later on. I thought the author of the book may have just been an Easter egg though.

[Jinx]

Overall decent episode. I don't really expect Doctor Who, or any show like it, to portray anything but super fantastical things when it comes to most subjects - especially technology. The Great Intelligence being the bad guy should make for some entertaining episodes and pretty neat twists.

Currently trying to figure out how, or if, the missing numbers from Clara's book are important (1-9, 16, and 23). Those seem like something that would come into play later on as a clue to what, or who, she really is. Also, did anyone notice the author of the book?

I noticed 23 was missing as that one was the easiest to spot. That may end up being something later on. I thought the author of the book may have just been an Easter egg though.

It may have been. it seems Rory and Amy's story is completely wrapped up. And I don't think they're coming back. Plus, Amy and Clara have no discernible connection to each other.

And I really don't think Clara is River. I hate that theory.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Clara = River is a theory? Shut up.

[Jinx]

Clara = River is a theory? Shut up.


It is. And kind of a shitty one at that.

[Lonely Paper Star]

So, this tweet (https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/318810490421800962) from the official DW Twitter made me happy: "The read through has just finished for the #DoctorWho50th Special!"



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGykc7DCcAAosDh.jpg:large

[Citizen Bleys]

Avoiding reading most of this thread because I just started watching Doctor Who on Saturday and I don't want spoilers, but I have it from a reputable source (http://www.staggeringstories.net/rolandreport12.html) that Brian Blessed will definitely be the next Doctor.

[Shauna]

Eventually watched Saturday's episode. Not as bad as I was expecting, it was fairly enjoyable.

We'll see how long this lasts.

*will be a downer for the whole season*

[Psychotic]

Avoiding reading most of this thread because I just started watching Doctor Who on Saturday and I don't want spoilers, but I have it from a reputable source (http://www.staggeringstories.net/rolandreport12.html) that Brian Blessed will definitely be the next Doctor.Well that's clearly not true. Brian Blessed is always a villain. Now, Brian Blessed as the Master? Oh yes.

[The Man]

I'll take BRIAN BLESSED (his name should always be spelled in all capitals) in whatever role they'll cast him in.

Notably it won't be his first appearance in the show. :monster:

[Psychotic]

Well, I wasn't really a fan of that episode. I hate kids.

The setting and whatnot was pretty cool though so it wasn't terrible. And I quite liked Matt Smith's speech. He's good at speeches.

Also, Davos. DAVOS. DAVOS SEAWORTH!

[charliepanayi]

I thought it was quite a sweet episode. And the kid was fine, not overly saccharine or anything.

Still too much 'sonic screwdriver sorts out a situation' though!

[Psychotic]

Better than singing open a secret door. Come on.

Actually the more I think about it there were a lot of things I liked, I just didn't like the kid. :shobon: The creepy fuckers were pure nightmare fuel, well done to whoever conceived those.

[Jinx]

The kid was adorable.

I really liked the setting. I thought it was super pretty.

Also, the Doctor needs to give Clara a damn key to the TARDIS.




ALSO--Apparently the book Amy wrote can be bought as an e-book. CLUES?

[blackmage_nuke]

The penny just dropped. Shoes and ships and sealing wax, not ceiling wax as i always thought! Thank you Doctor Who!

[Jinx]

So...

The TARDIS doesn't like her.

[Lonely Paper Star]

The end of the episode gave me feels for Clara and the Doctor. :love:

And I do like the singing-the-door-open-ceremony stuff. It was pretty and majestic. The last song made a nice backdrop to the Doctor's speech.

AND LIAM CUNNINGHAM IN THE NEXT EPISODE. :eek:

[charliepanayi]

Interesting to see positive reactions here, seemingly everywhere else I've seen online people HATED the episode. Such a poor reception puzzles me, I thought it was slight but there's been a lot worse since the show was resurrected.

[blackmage_nuke]

I actually was surprised the doctor didnt sympaphise with the giant sun god.

[Agent Proto]

AND LIAM CUNNINGHAM IN THE NEXT EPISODE. :eek:

Yeah, I saw that and thought to myself, "Wait, why is Davos showing up in a submarine?"

[Jinx]

The Weeping Angels sent Jorah back in time.

DID SOMEONE SEND DAVOS INTO THE FUTURE?

[Formalhaut]

I finally got round to watching the second episode. My general thoughts on the episode are as follows:



- I enjoyed it...somewhat. I give this a 6/10. It's a 'decent' storyline against a 'decent' backdrop. The antagonist of the story is slightly lackluster. The Doctor's performance in this episode I also found slightly below his stunning standard, though still acceptable. I guess the subtext about the episode being an examination of religion is good, albeit executed slightly poorly in the episode. It's decent, as a standalone episode, but it's lacking something.

- I do like how heartfelt the story is though. While many hated the singing aspect, I quite liked it. It gave a sense of community spirit. Often there's a conflict between races (see Cold Blood for a prime example) but in this one all the different races blend together well. I did like that aspect; were it not for that, this episode would be a very mediocre 5/10. The doctor's speech was quite nice as well; particularly Clara's intervention with the leaf. Nice.

- I'm getting annoyed at the use of the Sonic Screwdriver. It's a very obvious deus ex machina. "Hmm, unpassable door? Use the screwdriver!" "The Vigil firing forcefields at me? Use the screwdriver!" It's abit of a bore sometimes. I don't mind the odd use of the screwdriver, but it gets abit much when every small problem is solved through it's use.

- The mind parasite (planet) is too similar to the Great Intelligence. It gets a pass in my view, but hardly original.


And now the mysteries section:



- Could be nothing, but I do wonder why Clara's mother died. It is probably nothing and she died just because, but this is Doctor Who. There's generally a reason behind most things.

- We of course still have the mystery of Clara. No new plot developments on that front, to be honest. It's a standalone episode: you rarely get any developments of the overarching story in these.


And NOW I see why everyone is shouting Davos Seaworth. Brilliant. Can't wait for his performance. I love ol' Davos. And what a surprise, he's in a nautical role again!

[Lonely Paper Star]

Who likes Clara Oswin Oswald (http://oswintheories.tumblr.com) theories? Because I do. :cool:


Watch out for the

http://www.phoebenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/River-SPOILERS.gif

[Formalhaut]

Who likes Carla Oswin Oswald (http://oswintheories.tumblr.com) theories? Because I do. :cool:


Watch out for the

http://www.phoebenorth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/River-SPOILERS.gif

Read a few pages. Makes my head hurt.

[Renmiri]

The end of the episode gave me feels for Clara and the Doctor. :love:

And I do like the singing-the-door-open-ceremony stuff. It was pretty and majestic. The last song made a nice backdrop to the Doctor's speech.

AND LIAM CUNNINGHAM IN THE NEXT EPISODE. :eek:

Was so full of feels.. Him giving all his pain to quell that Vampire's hunger. Then Clara saves him. Wonder why her mom's life isa "life not lived". Did she commit suicide ?

[NorthernChaosGod]

The end of the episode gave me feels for Clara and the Doctor. :love:

And I do like the singing-the-door-open-ceremony stuff. It was pretty and majestic. The last song made a nice backdrop to the Doctor's speech.

AND LIAM CUNNINGHAM IN THE NEXT EPISODE. :eek:

Was so full of feels.. Him giving all his pain to quell that Vampire's hunger. Then Clara saves him. Wonder why her mom's life isa "life not lived". Did she commit suicide ?

The mom died. o_O

[Formalhaut]

The mystery of Clara's mother's death is one of my mysteries too. It wasn't explained in any way whatsoever. It could be nothing, or it could be a deliberate mystery on the part of the producers. Hmmm...


Ser Davos Seaworth tomorrow! Guys, I'm expecting gifs aplenty for his performance.

[Jinx]

could be deliberate?

NOTHING IS COINCIDENCE

[Lonely Paper Star]

could be deliberate?

NOTHING IS COINCIDENCE

Especially if it's Moffat in charge of this show. XD

[Formalhaut]

Doctor Who almost over now in England. But remember:



42514 (http://smurfyeahdavos.tumblr.com/)

[Psychotic]

I really enjoyed that episode. A great and unique setting and all round goodness. There wasn't much witty banter or zany hilarity like there usually is and I usually enjoy, but it did quite well without it.

[charliepanayi]

Good to see David Warner.

[Jinx]

I didn't think I'd like this episode much, and I really enjoyed it a lot! It was probably the scariest DW episode I've ever seen.

Reeeeeally excited for next week's episode.

[blackmage_nuke]

Heres a mystery, why didnt the tardis translate all the languages on that thing orbiting the sun god?

[Jinx]

Heres a mystery, why didnt the tardis translate all the languages on that thing orbiting the sun god?

It was having a bad day.

[The Man]

I wouldn't exactly describe this episode as scary (especially when episodes like "Blink" and "Midnight" exist in the same continuity), but it was pretty damn good.

[Jinx]

I don't find Midnight scary. I hate that episode. Blink isn't really scary either.

[Formalhaut]

I wouldn't exactly describe this episode as scary (especially when episodes like "Blink" and "Midnight" exist in the same continuity), but it was pretty damn good.

It's a thriller, but it's not scary. I do agree with you though, Blink and Midnight were bloody scary. Especially Midnight. That one was intense.

[Psychotic]

Midnight wasn't scary so much as incredibly tense.

[Formalhaut]

I've watched the episode a few days ago, but I've only just got round to doing my episode round up!



- This is a better episode than the one previous, I'd give it a good 7/10. I particularly enjoyed the claustrophobic nature of the episode and also the reintroduction of an old friend - the Ice Warriors. Perhaps after the risk taken with Doctor Who: The Musical last week, this one was your typical Doctor Who episode: unease, tension, some light humour, it had all the typical parts you see. Probably because of the time it's been since the last Ice Warrior, we got abit of a starter guide on him and the use of exposition on that did drag, though I guess it was required.

- The rest of the guest cast aboard the submarine were your typical meat shields, whose use is basically to serve as fodder for the Ice Warrior. Really the only characters worth mentioning was SER DAVOS!!!! Oh, and also that professor guy with the music. Actually, his choice of music is something I cover in my mysteries list.

- The denouement, as is becoming a trend now, is slightly flat compared to the rest of the episode. The whole "talking" aspect has been done so many times now. It was done last episode, it was done this episode. I'm all for speeches, but it gets slightly tiresome having a monstrous Ice Warrior be talked down with words of mercy and the such. The tractor beam ending as well all slightly deus ex.

- Despite the repetitive ending, the episode was nonetheless a good one which, for me, pretty much ends Clara's first few steps into Doctor Who. She had her usual first episode, her first alien world, and her first gritty encounter. She's got the triad that all companions must go through to get their badge that's for sure. I can't wait for Hide though!

And now, the Mysteries section!



- "Hungry Like The Wolf". The music may be a simple device to remind us the year this is set in, but this is Doctor Who. Avid fans of David Tennant's doctor would recognise the phrase 'Bad Wolf'. Simple coincidence or overarching story device? I'd go over the latter to be honest.

- Not really any other mysteries from this episode, besides the recurring mystery to Clara's mothers death.

[Jinx]

Oh man, I didn't even think of the 'Hungry Like the Wolf' and 'Bad Wolf' connection!

I really enjoyed this episode. The reason it's so scary to me is because I don't like enclosed spaces like that, but anyone who knows me well knows that open water like that is one of my biggest fears (and why I would never go on a cruise). Therefore, the who idea of being in a sub just scares the trout out of me. And then them crashing and all that water leaking in. ;-;


EDIT: I also loved the Professor. He really doesn't have the best luck with maritime travel, does he?

[Skyblade]

I've watched the episode a few days ago, but I've only just got round to doing my episode round up!



- This is a better episode than the one previous, I'd give it a good 7/10. I particularly enjoyed the claustrophobic nature of the episode and also the reintroduction of an old friend - the Ice Warriors. Perhaps after the risk taken with Doctor Who: The Musical last week, this one was your typical Doctor Who episode: unease, tension, some light humour, it had all the typical parts you see. Probably because of the time it's been since the last Ice Warrior, we got abit of a starter guide on him and the use of exposition on that did drag, though I guess it was required.

- The rest of the guest cast aboard the submarine were your typical meat shields, whose use is basically to serve as fodder for the Ice Warrior. Really the only characters worth mentioning was SER DAVOS!!!! Oh, and also that professor guy with the music. Actually, his choice of music is something I cover in my mysteries list.

- The denouement, as is becoming a trend now, is slightly flat compared to the rest of the episode. The whole "talking" aspect has been done so many times now. It was done last episode, it was done this episode. I'm all for speeches, but it gets slightly tiresome having a monstrous Ice Warrior be talked down with words of mercy and the such. The tractor beam ending as well all slightly deus ex.

- Despite the repetitive ending, the episode was nonetheless a good one which, for me, pretty much ends Clara's first few steps into Doctor Who. She had her usual first episode, her first alien world, and her first gritty encounter. She's got the triad that all companions must go through to get their badge that's for sure. I can't wait for Hide though!

And now, the Mysteries section!



- "Hungry Like The Wolf". The music may be a simple device to remind us the year this is set in, but this is Doctor Who. Avid fans of David Tennant's doctor would recognise the phrase 'Bad Wolf'. Simple coincidence or overarching story device? I'd go over the latter to be honest.

- Not really any other mysteries from this episode, besides the recurring mystery to Clara's mothers death.



That professor guy with the music? You're calling David Warner (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001831/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1) "that professor guy with the music? You're calling Sark (and the MCP, for that matter) from the original Tron "that professor guy with the music"? The man's been in two Star Trek movies, Titanic, Wing Commander (which he rocked, regardless of the fact the movie sucked), Privateer 2 (again, game was horrible, his acting was awesome), several Horatio Hornblower movies, The Concorde Airport, Babylon 5, and a couple hundred different other works, and is generally awesome in all of them.

Don't dismiss him so casually, he's a bloody brilliant actor.



Oh, yes, and I forgot to mention: It's nice to see a classic Doctor Who villain like this. There can be a temptation to really gussy them up, but there's something to be said for the iconic look. I called it as an Ice Warrior when it was still thawing out, and it was wonderful. It's such a wonderful nostalgic feeling.

[Formalhaut]

That professor guy with the music? You're calling David Warner (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001831/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1) "that professor guy with the music? You're calling Sark (and the MCP, for that matter) from the original Tron "that professor guy with the music"? The man's been in two Star Trek movies, Titanic, Wing Commander (which he rocked, regardless of the fact the movie sucked), Privateer 2 (again, game was horrible, his acting was awesome), several Horatio Hornblower movies, The Concorde Airport, Babylon 5, and a couple hundred different other works, and is generally awesome in all of them.

Don't dismiss him so casually, he's a bloody brilliant actor.

I don't read the credits! Sorry! I feel terrible now. :(

[Cuchulainn]

That was 3 Dr Who's in arrow now that were absolutely god awful. Terrible scripts. I don't even look forward to it anymore.

[charliepanayi]

You could stop watching it. What was your opinion of the last batch of episodes before Amy/Rory left?

[Ouch!]

I'm with Cuch. Since the return from the break, I've been less than impressed. I feel like the show has lost an awful lot of momentum lately, and the change in companion is a big part of it. Things need to start ramping up with her storyline sooner rather than later, because it just otherwise keeps reminding me that we've taken detours for something far more interesting.

[Psychotic]

That was 3 Dr Who's in arrow now that were absolutely god awful. Terrible scripts. I don't even look forward to it anymore.Davos. :colbert:

[Cuchulainn]

That was 3 Dr Who's in arrow now that were absolutely god awful. Terrible scripts. I don't even look forward to it anymore.Davos. :colbert:

There's nothing wrong with the acting. It's the scripts & storylines, they're smurfing awful. It's like watching a chef try to make Plum Duff out of tinned shit. Doesn't matter how good a chef he is....it ain't happenin

[Lonely Paper Star]

So, these newborn penguins were named after Doctor Who characters. (www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/18/doctor-who-penguins-_n_3107699.html)

[NorthernChaosGod]

One of them should definitely be called Stormageddon.

[Formalhaut]

Are we all looking forward to Hide?

[The Man]

I always look forward to new Doctor Who episodes.

[Jinx]

Are we all looking forward to Hide?


I always look forward to new Doctor Who episodes.

This.

Also, yes, because I love ghost stuff.

[charliepanayi]

I'm glad they slowed the pace a bit for this one, not every episode needs to be about SAVING THE WORLD and done atbreakneckspeedsoyoucanhardlypauseforbreath.

[Cuchulainn]

I enjoyed this episode.

[Agent Proto]

This episode was very nice.

[Bunny]

The ending seemed kinda rushed. I would have preferred it if the entire thing was about an actual ghost.

[The Man]

I liked the episode a lot. They definitely managed to pull off the creepy factor pretty damn well. The ending wasn't much of a bother to me; Doctor Who is well known for taking tropes and subverting them.

[Psychotic]

The ending seemed kinda rushed. I would have preferred it if the entire thing was about an actual ghost.It never will be. The actual supernatural doesn't seem to exist in Doctor Who. It's always an alien. Always! Except this time I guess!

It was a decent enough episode. The monster was pretty fucking creepy. They've done a good job with that in this mini season so far.

[charliepanayi]

I'm always puzzled when people slate the effects in Doctor Who. Considering there are major Hollywood films which have ropey-looking effects at times, the show does pretty well for its budget.

[Psychotic]

The CGI still tends to look better than when they stuff people in suits. The Slitheen and the Abzorbaloff were fucking horrendous, and I'm glad neither has made a reappearance.

[Jinx]

The CGI still tends to look better than when they stuff people in suits. The Slitheen and the Abzorbaloff were smurfing horrendous, and I'm glad neither has made a reappearance.

I'm glad this one hasn't made a reappearance for very different reasons than its looks.

[Psychotic]

I can't believe someone thought paving slab BJs was a good idea.

[Jinx]

I can't believe someone thought paving slab BJs was a good idea.

"I even have a bit of a love life."
"Oh, they don't want to hear about that."

NO WE DO NOT :stare:

[Agent Proto]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/7439b5cec7c0e91866f8cbade73f6838/tumblr_mllh2we9Ji1qbs37ro1_500.jpg

[The Man]

Love and Monsters is one of the worst episodes in the series. I guess it's inevitable that even a series as good as DW will have a few misses, but I still don't know what the hell RTD was thinking.

[charliepanayi]

I actually rather liked Love and Monsters until the final 10 minutes or so. Plus it has Mr Blue Sky in it.

[The Man]

The beginning of the episode is indeed rather charming, but the ending is just so terrible that it completely undoes whatever charm the beginning of the episode has for me.

[Psychotic]

ELO was the only good thing about that episode.

[charliepanayi]

I try to pretend the paving slab bit never happened, I think I just liked the premise of the episode. It's definitely no Fear Her or Last of the Time Lords anyway in my book (the Doctor as Gollum and then Jesus - now THAT's weird).

[The Man]

I only found "Fear Her" to be mediocre, and didn't mind "Last of the Time Lords" at all. I actively disliked "Love & Monsters". *shrugs*

[Jinx]

ELO was the only good thing about that episode.

[blackmage_nuke]

I liked the episode, particularly the ending.
Would like that girl to stick around, too many of the doctors companions have been earthlings from the present in the new series.

[thatkefka]

'Hide' was my favorite episode of the Clara series so far.
next weeks episode looks like it could be even better

I love Clara :p

[Lonely Paper Star]

Spotted this on Tumblr a few months ago, and re-found it on Imgur.

I'll do it. (http://imgur.com/gallery/2mCF4NK)

[Agent Proto]

I'd do this, but no one would notice and it would be a waste of time to mark myself. :/

[The Man]

gods damn it, I forgot today was the 23rd this morning, so I couldn't take part at work, which is when I have by far the most interaction with other human beings. Not that anyone would have gotten the reference except for one of my coworkers.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I'll do it before I head to class today.

[Jinx]

I'll do it before I head to class today.

[Agent Proto]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIgXL1JCcAAVR4i.png:large
I think I may have overdone it. XD

Still on the arm. HOW DID THEY GET THERE?!

[Formalhaut]

We've got another DW episode tomorrow! Anyone excited for the TARDIS episode? Here's a promotional image, courtesy of Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-who/25381/doctor-who-lots-and-lots-of-journey-to-the-centre-of-the-tardis-images):

http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/untitled-19_4.jpg
http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/untitled-22_4.jpg
http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/untitled-20_5.jpg

Looks more scary than Hide to be honest. It reminds me of FFXIII and the cie'th for some reason.

[Jinx]

I am high, and these pictures are scaring me.

[Formalhaut]

I am high, and these pictures are scaring me.

The episode's a lot scarier. Hell, scarier than Hide, which was meant to be the stereotypical "scary" episode. Seriously, those creatures were very scary.

[Psychotic]

It wasn't really scary, but a bloody interesting concept. Plus 9th Doctor's Genghis Khan line. God I miss his angry northern tones :love:

[Agent Proto]

Yeah, I'm with Psy on this episode. Not very scary at all. You're a big wuss, Form.

[Formalhaut]

Yeah, I'm with Psy on this episode. Not very scary at all. You're a big wuss, Form.

Well I was hardly hiding behind the sofa, but it was definitely more tense and atmospheric than Hide. Scary perhaps was too strong a word. :p

[Agent Proto]

But I have to admit that it was a great episode.
For one, we finally get to see the pool and library inside the TARDIS! That final ten minutes were pretty good too.

And I think there's a glimpse of the last episode of this season, seeing that Clara found out about the Doctor's name. Buuuuuuut, we'll have to see about this when the episode airs!

[Formalhaut]

We only saw the swimming pool for like 4 seconds! I wanted more!

[blackmage_nuke]

I wouldve prefered if the Tardis interior was slanty for the whole ep like it was in an episode of the early series but whatevs

[Ouch!]

Thought the episode was one of the best we've had in a while. I'm growing bored of episodes that don't further the overarching narrative in any meaningful way, but I've also never been a huge fan of shows that follow monster-of-the-week structures. I understand a lot of fans consider it tantamount to sacrilege, but I'm glad to see the show starting to head back toward the mystery around the Doctor's name and tying everything in to the story line with the Silence. It was a nice step forward, even if it was accompanied by a step backwards after.

[Psychotic]

Is the mystery towards the Doctor's name a thing, now? Is that what "Doctor Who?" is?

[charliepanayi]

I liked the exploring the TARDIS and all the stuff in it and the scenes with the Doctor and Clara. It got all timey-wimey at the end, but I don't mind it when the show does that too much. Didn't like the salvage brothers, felt they were poorly written characters and the episode didn't really need them.

[Ouch!]

Is the mystery towards the Doctor's name a thing, now? Is that what "Doctor Who?" is?
Given that at the end of last season they revealed that "The Question" was "Doctor Who?" and implied that revealing the answer could destroy the universe, I would most certainly say it is a thing now.

There is the theory that what is dangerous about knowing the Doctor's real name is that by knowing it, you might be able to go back far enough in time to undo or otherwise manipulate the Doctor's timeline. Given the number of times that the Doctor has saved the universe, doing such could undue his future and thus the universe.

[Bunny]

Good episode, though very much a set-up episode to the mystery of Clara, the importance of her to the Doctor, and a tie-in to the end of the season, as someone else pointed out.

I enjoyed it. Probably the best of the Clara episodes thusfar.

[thatkefka]

My favorite episode so far!
I loved it, plus since I have a thing for legs, and Damn does Jenna have a nice pair of them.
also was it just me or was i the only one that thought that the monsters were the companions of old before we really understood who they were

anyway does anyone know if it's up on vudu yet?

[blackmage_nuke]

My theory is The Doctor's name is Davros and he knows after his 12th regeneration he will go insane and create the Daleks.

[The Man]

That's unlikely, but it's interesting that you mentioned "after his 12th regeneration" since the Valeyard supposedly occurred after his 12th regeneration, and there is apparently a theory that the character John Hurt is playing is the Valeyard.

[Jinx]

My theory is The Doctor's name is Davros and he knows after his 12th regeneration he will go insane and create the Daleks.

Are you trolling? Or is this a real theory?

Because if it's real, it's pretty neat. (Even if it's unlikely.)

[Formalhaut]

My theory is The Doctor's name is Davros and he knows after his 12th regeneration he will go insane and create the Daleks.

As much as it sounds unlikely, it would be awesome if it was true and would be perhaps the most genuinely surprising name he could have given.

[Psychotic]

Is the mystery towards the Doctor's name a thing, now? Is that what "Doctor Who?" is?
Given that at the end of last season they revealed that "The Question" was "Doctor Who?" and implied that revealing the answer could destroy the universe, I would most certainly say it is a thing now.

There is the theory that what is dangerous about knowing the Doctor's real name is that by knowing it, you might be able to go back far enough in time to undo or otherwise manipulate the Doctor's timeline. Given the number of times that the Doctor has saved the universe, doing such could undue his future and thus the universe.Oh right. I knew Doctor Who? was the big ol' jazz hands bucket of crazy, but I guess I hadn't really thought about what that would actually mean. I thought it was more like, THIS IS YOUR TRUE NATURE, THIS IS WHO YOU ARE!

Shit, don't reveal his name! That's not cool. :colbert: I like the mystique.

[Jinx]

...I thought the whole Doctor Who? Was always a thing.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I think before The Silence stuff it was just a title drop thing, now it's like an actual plot line.

[Jinx]

It's always been significant. It really became a serious thing after Silence in the Library.

[Psychotic]

Queen o' Thorns!

Fuck Bradford, love Stax.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Strax is awesome. I hope they show him more.

[Agent Proto]

Strax is my favorite Potato ever.

Also, new companions next episode! :D

[Jinx]

Strax is my favorite Potato ever.

Also, new companions next episode! :D

I read your spoiler before I watched the episode, and I was like, "NOOOOOOOOO BUT I LOVE CLARA, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY?"

I'm actually pretty excited to see what the kids bring to the table! :)

[Boud33reau]

I want to be totally surprised when I see the episodes.

[Psychotic]

I don't know how many of you saw this from the Christmas episode but fuck yes Strax is a beast: Songtaran Carols - Doctor Who - BBC One Christmas 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QROptbXX0-0)

love how they can't keep it together either

[NorthernChaosGod]

I don't know how many of you saw this from the Christmas episode but fuck yes Strax is a beast: Songtaran Carols - Doctor Who - BBC One Christmas 2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QROptbXX0-0)

love how they can't keep it together either

"The uploader has not made this video available in your country. "

:colbert:

[The Man]

Gods damn it BBC :doublecolbert:

[Agent Proto]

QeAhECqeRpE

You're welcome.

[The Man]

Ok, that's great. Thanks.

[Jinx]

The last one, where they all crack up and have that real moment. I admit, it was pretty freaking funny. xD

[charliepanayi]

Strax is hilarious, especially threatening the horse.

No idea why some people online are so grumpy about the kids tagging along in next week's episode. Gaiman's writing it, I'm sure it'll be all good.

[Jinx]

Those kids look awesome.

[The Man]

People dislike the kids? I should have learned by now that there will inevitably be people on the internets whose opinions are terrible.

[charliepanayi]

I guess this is Doctor Who, where there's people on the internet who get enraged when the Daleks get a paint job.

[Shoden]

We need to see more of Strax!

[The Man]

Any episode with Strax, Madame Vastra and Jenny is a good episode.

[Bunny]

I can't wait for the Game of Thrones-Doctor Who crossover.

[blackmage_nuke]

I can't wait for the Game of Thrones-Doctor Who crossover.

HODOR WHO!?

[The Man]

Well, after Robb Stark dies, Richard Madden will be free to make appearances on Doctor Who. Hopefully this will actually happen.

[Skyblade]

The ending seemed kinda rushed. I would have preferred it if the entire thing was about an actual ghost.It never will be. The actual supernatural doesn't seem to exist in Doctor Who. It's always an alien. Always!

Well, in a matter of perspective, this is true. But "supernatural" phenomenon certainly exist in Doctor Who, they simply cease to be supernatural, because even magic and psionics follow distinct and discrete "natural" laws.

The Doctor understands these laws, and thinks about things in his own way. Being a logical, scientifically minded person, he transforms them into scientific terms.

"You may call that magic, but I call it a genetic replication module."

A true ghost in Doctor Who would be a psychic inprint of a departed individual. It's still a ghost, he just doesn't use that term or that way of thinking. The Doctor doesn't believe in the inexplicable. "To the scientific mind, nothing is inexplicable, only unexplained".

It was, after all, the Doctor who informed Ace (Battlefield, story of the seventh Doctor) that the reverse of Clarke's third law was also true. "Any advanced form of magic is indistinguishable from science." Magic exists in Doctor Who. It's just not "supernatural", because it follows laws as discrete as the natural laws we're familiar with. Even in times where he doesn't fully understand those laws, the Doctor believes they are there.

[Jinx]

Well, after Robb Stark dies, Richard Madden will be free to make appearances on Doctor Who. Hopefully this will actually happen.

Too bad they already did a werewolf episode.

[Lonely Paper Star]

Well, after Robb Stark dies, Richard Madden will be free to make appearances on Doctor Who. Hopefully this will actually happen.

That would be very nice. XD

[Formalhaut]

Any episode with Strax, Madame Vastra and Jenny is a good episode.

They could be the new Sarah Jane Adventures!

[Agent Proto]

Madame Vastra/Jenny/Strax spinoff, plz.

[Psychotic]

You don't need two of those characters.

[Formalhaut]

No you need all three! I like Vastra's pithy putdowns to Strax, while Jenny is the token human of the group who kicks ass from time to time, has a cute accent AND is in a cross-species lesbian marriage to Vastra.

God damn that is comedy gold.

[Jinx]

Cute accent? Wtf.

Is she really English, or an American playing English? I can't tell if she has a reeeeeally bad fake accent, or if she just has the most annoying voice ever.

[Agent Proto]

No you need all three! I like Vastra's pithy putdowns to Strax, while Jenny is the token human of the group who kicks ass from time to time, has a cute accent AND is in a cross-species lesbian marriage to Vastra.

God damn that is comedy gold.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/3fae6563ab1d55643bad8d1c023669ed/tumblr_mmffmzcCf11rj9d4eo1_500.jpg

[Psychotic]

No, you just need Strax, and if you think Jenny's accent is cute then I pity you, I truly do.

[Formalhaut]

No, you just need Strax, and if you think Jenny's accent is cute then I pity you, I truly do.

Then I pity you back.

[Agent Proto]

But I like Jenny. She kicks butt. :(

[Jinx]

I dunno, man. I still like Vastra and Jenny are cool. Lesbian interspecies couple, woo.

[Formalhaut]

But I like Jenny. She kicks butt. :(

This is my evidence. See how heartbroken you made Proto by mocking Jenny's accent? Look at what you did!

[Agent Proto]

I don't dig the accent though. :p

[charliepanayi]

Strax is funny but would be too insane to manage on his own, you need Jenny and Vastra there too!

[Miriel]

QUESTION!

I'm thinking about getting started with Doctor Who, but I'm confused as to where to start. I've only watched like... 2 episodes before. One was one of the way earlier ones I think, this was years ago and I remember thinking it felt very ameatuer-ish. But then the other episode I watched was Blink, and I thought that was just fantastic. But I never gave Doctor Who another chance since I assumed that Blink was just a special episode and one of the reasons I loved it so much was being I think Carey Mulligan is one of the best actresses to come around in years. I love her.

And there's so many different doctors and whatnot. Not sure which one to begin with? Do I need to watch it all the way from the beginning?

[Agent Proto]

Start with the Ninth Doctor.

There's no way you'll be able to watch from the very beginning with the first Doctor. The 9th Doctor is the start of the reboot of Doctor Who and should be your best bet to get started with Doctor Who.

[Psychotic]

I'll defer this onto Sam for expert information.what is wrong with you :colbert:
QUESTION!

I'm thinking about getting started with Doctor Who, but I'm confused as to where to start. I've only watched like... 2 episodes before. One was one of the way earlier ones I think, this was years ago and I remember thinking it felt very ameatuer-ish. But then the other episode I watched was Blink, and I thought that was just fantastic. But I never gave Doctor Who another chance since I assumed that Blink was just a special episode and one of the reasons I loved it so much was being I think Carey Mulligan is one of the best actresses to come around in years. I love her.

And there's so many different doctors and whatnot. Not sure which one to begin with? Do I need to watch it all the way from the beginning?No, the beginning happened in 1963 :lol:

Either watch it from Season 1 with Christopher Eccleston the 9th Doctor, or Season 5 with Matt Smith the 11th. There was a dramatic shift in writing (Steven Moffat, Sherlock) took over then.

I'd say the 9th and 10th Doctors are a lot more cheesey than the writing for the 12th but they're still a lot of fun. 12th Doctor writing is a lot better.

I would also say to remember that Doctor Who is intended as a family show for parents and kids alike so do expect a lot of childish silliness at times. And do not ever, EVER, watch the episodes "Love and Monsters" and "Fear Her". They are turgid.

[Jinx]

Fear Her's not THAT bad.

Why are you saying 12th Doctor? Do you mean how technically 10 regenerated into himself, so he was two incarnations in one body?

Yeah, I actually think you might like to start with season 5, then go back and watch seasons 1-4 if you like the show, but some of the very best episodes ever are during seasons 2-4.

EDIT: If you do start with season 5, make sure you go back and watch Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead, so you know who River Song is.

[blackmage_nuke]

I think Psychotic is a time traveller and he went backwards too far to post about Dr Who.

I actually suggest you watch episode 1 (not the pilot, that was insane) then jump to The Fifth Doctor (possibly fourth, everyone raves about the fourth but I havent seen that one) watch him until you're bored then jump to the modern series.

[Psychotic]

12th Doctor? I meant 2nd Doctor. Patrick Troughton is a legitimate beast and I loved his Doctor.

I suspect absolutely none of you would enjoy watching classic Doctor Who though. Instead of having a story that lasted one or sometimes two episodes, they lasted about 5 or 6. And it was just very drawn out and never got to the point. The Doctor is still the heroic badman that he always has been, but the pacing was ridiculous.

[Jinx]

My mom read something recently that some of the episodes were destroyed, and so not all of the classic episodes are even available to watch anymore.

I really want to watch episodes with Tom Baker, as it seems like everyone loves him.

[blackmage_nuke]

I suggested starting at the Fifth because thats when they started cleaning out the pacing issues. (possibly before then but from what I saw of an episode of the fourth with daleks where they spend 15 minutes walking through wasteland, that doesnt seem to be the case). ALso because I prefer the Doctor with an entorage and not just one Companion.

[Lonely Paper Star]

I say start with the first season with the Ninth Doctor. Even though I say Tenth is my favorite out of the three, Ninth kept me hooked to DW. I was emotionally invested most in the Tenth Doctor's stuff, but Eleventh has great storylines, too. I especially like the mindsmurfery episodes that make me think.

tl;dr - putting on my fangirl glasses, I say started from Ninth's stuff and watch everything from there on.


BTW, I saw a Tumblr the other day where the blogger put up these little Powerpoint presentations (yeah, IDK, I guess it's a Tumblr thing to make silly looking Comic Sans-filled presentations to defend something in their fandoms or whatnot) about most of the old Doctors (http://stephadoo.tumblr.com/tagged/cwd) and their (http://stephadoo.tumblr.com/tagged/cwl) companions (http://stephadoo.tumblr.com/tagged/cwm).

[The Man]

Start with Nine's first episodes and go forward from there, unless you want to watch the current episodes quickly in which case start with series five (Eleven's first season) and then go back and watch Nine and Ten's stuff when you're done. Also note if you're watching on Netflix that the 2009 specials aren't included in the standard Doctor Who listing; you'll have to go track them down manually (and I think one of them isn't included on Netflix at all, but it's usually regarded as the weakest one so whatever). If you do not watch these then the transition to Matt Smith's Doctor will make no sense.

That said, definitely go back to watch some of the classic series episodes once you've caught up. Tom Baker has a number of excellent episodes (I especially recommend "Genesis of the Daleks" and "The Pirate Planet", the latter of which was written by none other than Douglas Adams and is part of a longer arc that you might want to see in its entirety) and the other Doctors have their moments as well ("The Tomb of the Cybermen" and "The Caves of Androzani" are particularly great).

[Shauna]

Don't miss out Chris Ecclestone.

[The Man]

You can probably just watch "Silence in the Library"/"Forest of the Dead" and then skip ahead to Eleven's first episode without missing much in the way of continuity. But yeah, I forgot to mention that if you're going to watch Eleven's episodes, you definitely need to have seen that pair of episodes first, since River Song is so important to seasons five and six. Without those, the show won't make much sense.

That said, you should definitely watch at least most of Nine and Ten's episodes (I agree that "Love and Monsters" is skippable; that episode was putrid. "Fear Her"'s not that bad though).

For what it's worth, I started out with Eccleston's first season and never regretted it.

[blackmage_nuke]

Another thing i liked about classic drwho is that he actually used SCIIENCE to solve some of his problems instead of just waving the screwdriver, rearanging some cables and flicking some switches.

There was a scene th the fifth doctor where hes stuck floatin space and uses a cricket ball to bounce himself back onto a spaceship which blew my mind more than any sparkysparky mumbojumbo in the new series. These days the problem would probably be solved with a companion turning on the tractor beam or someghing

[Ouch!]

For what it's worth, I started with the tenth because my girlfriend knew that if she started me off at nine I wouldn't have been able to put up with how corny the whole thing was. Given that I really didn't get into the show until Moffat took over and the quality of the writing went way up, she was right to do so.

[Skyblade]

Another thing i liked about classic drwho is that he actually used SCIIENCE to solve some of his problems instead of just waving the screwdriver, rearanging some cables and flicking some switches.

THANK YOU! I'm glad someone else has noticed his fascination with implementing huge doses of deus ex machina by waving a magic wand around or some other trick of fate (though normally through magic wand waving).

I'd like a story that didn't end with "Oh no, we're all doomed! But don't worry, my sonic screwdriver will save us!". I want more originality than that. That's probably been my biggest annoyance of this season so far.

The primary reason the Sonic Screwdriver was written out of the show during the Fifth Doctor's run was because it was felt to be too useful in too many situations, and it hindered building a good script, as it allowed too many easy escapes and solutions.

[Psychotic]

I completely missed Eccleston's episodes. Ah well. He looked odd in that leather jacket anyway. Every post you make. Every single one. :colbert:

You know what they call me in the ancient legends of the People Who Post Bad Things on EoFF homeworld? The Oncoming Storm. You might have removed all your ability to recognise a fantastic jacket when you see one, but I reckon right down deep in your DNA there's one little spark left. And that's fear. Doesn't it just burn when you face me?

[Agent Proto]

I probably should watch his episodes, but I've never got round to it.

GO BACK AND WATCH THE ENTIRE FIRST SERIES OF DOCTOR WHO. :glare:

[Jinx]

If you don't watch that first season of Doctor Who, you can't fully appreciate the relationships between Rose and Mickey, and Rose and the Doctor.

And of course the greatest relationship in the series: The Doctor and Jackie.

[Psychotic]

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO CAPTAIN JACK OR THE MASTER ARE (Jack's brief appearances don't count, and you all know as well as I do that the Master in the End of Time was nothing compared to Last of the Time Lords)

WHAT

WHAT

YOU HAVEN'T LIVED, CHILD

GET OUT OF THIS THREAD

STOP READING THESE WORDS

WATCH EVERY DAMN LAST ONE

GO

[Agent Proto]

You are a disgrace to this thread, Formy.

[Formalhaut]

You are a disgrace to this thread, Formy.

I tend to get that everywhere I go to be honest.

[Jinx]

You're making me sick. Go watch them now.


You know nothing, Jon Snow.

[Psychotic]

Wow I like these new Cybermen, they have some fucking kick to them.

[Agent Proto]

I really didn't like this episode, tbqh. It felt a bit weak, but it was neat to see the Cybermen again All those upgrades and whatnot! Said that we won't see the kids again for another episode! D:

[Jinx]

Is next week the season finale, or the week after?

[Agent Proto]

Looks like it's next week! Oh man! I don't want this season to end! D:

[The Man]

I liked this episode a lot. The show is on a roll, I think; the last four episodes have all been great by my reckoning. I expect next week to continue the trend; Moffat generally knows how to pull off an explosive finale.

[NorthernChaosGod]

I thought that was a great episode. I actually like the new design of the Cybermen too.

[blackmage_nuke]

The Doctor is still the heroic badman that he always has been, but the pacing was ridiculous.

Just a tip for anyone who wants to watch the classics: it's not as bad if you watch it at 1.5x speed

[Shauna]

I feel like I missed a massive chunk of this thread due to deleted(?) posts. Dammit guys, quote more! xD

I have yet to watch the most recent ep because my streaming has been awful recently. Tonight!

[Jinx]

Just caught up with Saturday's episode.

It was okay, I guess. Wasn't bad, wasn't my favourite. Super-fast Cybermen were scary, as part of the reason Cybermen have always been (somewhat) survivable is their lack of speed.

I love Warwick Davis in everything, and thought it was a cute turn of events that he was the Emperor. I hope we'll get to see him again. Maybe the girl will become his Empress in the future!

NEXT WEEK'S EPISODE THOUGH, MY GOD

[The Man]

There could be something amazing hidden in next week's Who TV trailer! (http://observationdeck.io9.com/there-could-be-something-amazing-hidden-in-next-weeks-503083269) (Spoilers, sweetie)

Mind blown.

Also:

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The episode trailer is in the link above.

Also, too:

"One day, I'll be the queen of the universe."

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Also, too, as well, a friend of mine wrote up this theory (http://xsoldier.tumblr.com/post/50206498843/i-want-you-safe-my-doctor-i-believe-that-i), which is just awesome.

[Jinx]

I think the Doctor will take her back to the Emperor when she's all grown up, and they'll get married. :3

Also, when Clara says that she doesn't fall in love, sometimes twice a day...is that a veiled masturbation joke?

[Miriel]

Ok, so I started with the 11th doctor. I like it! It reminds me of Stargate SG-1 and also Sliders.

I started off not liking Amy Pond, but then she grew on me and I kinda liked her, but then now I don't care for her again. I'm not sure if it's the character or the actress though. The actress seems to make some odd choices in how she delivers certain lines. She does this weird deadpan thing when she's sad. But I love her accent.

I'm about 8 episodes in.

[The Man]

Did you watch Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead? River Song's episodes won't make much, if any, sense if you haven't seen those, especially in series six.

Can't really blame you for starting with Eleven though. Make sure you go back and see Nine and the rest of Ten's episodes after you're caught up, though.

[Jinx]

I wouldn't say that they wouldn't make sense at all, as she was only in two episodes before seasons 5 and seasons 6. I think Miriel will be able to follow along just fine, but she won't necessarily know details.



Basically--

The Doctor gets a message on the psychic paper saying to meet him in the Library, with a little x for a kiss.
He goes there, bad things happen, etc etc.
An archeology/excavation team shows up, River Song being amongst them.
She starts getting up in his business, and she has her diary, which looks just like the TARDIS. She asks him where they are in their timeline, and he has no idea what she's talking about. At this point she realizes he has no idea who she is.
As the episode goes on, she keeps hinting that she knows him, and it seriously irks the crap out of him. She pulls out a sonic screwdriver, and he asks where she got it. She tells him that HE gave it to her.
Things become dire, and he doesn't know if she can trust him. She whispers something in his ear, and he seems angry and upset, but he agrees that he can trust her.
More stuff happens, too much to explain. But, at the end of the episode, he's about going to sacrifice himself to save the day. She knocks him out, cuffs him, and instead sacrifices herself.
As he's watching her die, he begs her not to do it. She says that the last time they had met, he wept. And in a way, he always knew how her life would end. And that she knows that even though her time with him is over, his time with her is just beginning, and she wouldn't have changed anything about the time they spent together.
He asks her again not to do, and it's revealed that the thing she whispered in his ear was her name. He tells her that no one knows his name, and there's only one person he'd ever tell his name to.
River dies.
He has her diary, and chooses not to spoil his own future. But, the sonic screwdriver he gave her has an imprint of her soul/mind in it. He's able to upload it to the computer system of the Library, thus allowing her to live out a special form of immortality.


Basically, it is implied that River is the Doctor's wife from the future, as he'd only tell someone he really loved his name. You find out that they always meet each other out of order. And even though she's died, the Doctor will see her again.

[The Man]

The Weeping Angels episodes with her will probably make sense, since they're much more Weeping Angels episodes than they're River Song episodes, but the series five finale probably won't make much sense and "A Good Man Goes to War" and "Let's Kill Hitler" probably won't make any sense at all. Dunno though.

[Jinx]

I think it'd make plenty of sense, especially if she watched all of season 5. You don't really HAVE to see Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead to know what's going on with River if you watch all of season 5.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Miriel, I'd suggest you watch those episodes and not read what Sam wrote. It works so much better if you actually see it happen.

[Jinx]

Miriel, I'd suggest you watch those episodes and not read what Sam wrote. It works so much better if you actually see it happen.

Oh, absolutely. I never said it didn't. I even encouraged her to watch the episodes herself.

I just don't think they're necessarily required to know what's going on. Just very highly recommended. And not just to know what's going on, but because they're excellent episodes.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Miriel, I'd suggest you watch those episodes and not read what Sam wrote. It works so much better if you actually see it happen.

Oh, absolutely. I never said it didn't. I even encouraged her to watch the episodes herself.

I just don't think they're necessarily required to know what's going on. Just very highly recommended. And not just to know what's going on, but because they're excellent episodes.

I didn't say that you did. xD I'm just suggesting she actually watch them in case she does get tempted to just read what you wrote.

[The Man]

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[NorthernChaosGod]

I would expect something more badass to become of Stormaggedon.

[The Man]

Me too, honestly, but the resemblance is still pretty remarkable. And who knows, maybe he takes a level in badass in a future episode.

[NorthernChaosGod]

Well if he takes a level in badass I'll accept it. xD

[Jinx]

It's too far in the future for this to be true. x)

[blackmage_nuke]

Possible he was frozen or traveled through time or something. Stop ruining our dreams TB

[The Man]

River Song is from the 51st century and she still turned out to be Amy and Rory's daughter, so it's not impossible.

[Jinx]

She's a special case.

[blackmage_nuke]

And who's to say Stormageddon isnt? :colbert:

[NorthernChaosGod]

She's a special case.

It's Doctor Who, anyone can be a special. :roll2

[Psychotic]

Holy fuckballs.

Balls. That are holy. And fucking.

[Jinx]

WHO
WHO
WHO

[Agent Proto]

PLEASE

[The Man]

The common fan theory is that John Hurt is playing the Valeyard, but I guess we'll find out for sure in the 50th anniversary special.

Anyway, holy trout, what an episode.

[Jinx]

That's the theory I've heard as well. , why would they introduce him as the Doctor? Only to keep you guessing? Hm.

I guess we understand why that leaf killed the god thing at Ahkaten. It wasn't because of "potential stories" per say, but how the stories already were played out, and she just didn't know it yet.

Also, I am wondering if it is a red herring, or if Clara is still connected to Rose in some way. All of those roses EVERYWHERE can't be coincidence.

The River Song stuff made me shed a few tears. I like that they more or less wrapped up her story, although I doubt we've seen the last of her, as her mental link to Clara allows for her to still come back.

Also, I like that Clara told One to take our TARDIS instead of some other one, cos he'd have "more fun." :3

[Psychotic]

Not the theory I've heard at all.

It has to be a past Doctor because otherwise how would Matt Smith's Doctor know what he had done?

He's the Doctor between McGann and Eccleston. Only regeneration we did not see. And what awful thing happened between 8 and 9? Time War. NuWho Doctors become 10th, 11th, 12th.

Oh and yeah, sorry, I accidentally called Matt Smith the 12th Doctor earlier in this thread because I found out SPOILERRRRS. I think I played it off well though :shobon: