FFIX Riddles v2.0

[Fantasy Fan]

Treno eh?

[Lenna]

if that's the case Kain ex, then how does love come into it? A city wouldn't wait for love. The only one you could really match up with that theory is Madain Sari. It used to be the city of summoners, but only Eiko is left. No one else to build it back to normal.

[Rantz]

Update with new hint (as a reply to kain_ex)

The riddle
Waiting here
anticipating twilight's end
in hope of finding love
fighting sickness

Void was my brawl;
it drenched me.

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Wrong guesses
Kuja
Zidane
Garnet
Freya
Vivi
The black mages
Marcus from "I want to be your canary"
Steiner
Brahne
Beatrix
Steiner
Garland
Eiko
Cid
Blank
Alexander
Vivi
Moguta
Sir "Irontail" Fratley
Amarant
Atomos
Hades
Excalibur II
Kal
Mois
The Black Waltzes
Hilda

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Hints / other notes
Find the 'me'
No direct connections to EoFF forums
No direct connections to Terra
Analyze the sentences rather than the words
The riddle is very much literal
Only one word is strictly metaphorical
The second verse is sort of "linked to" something from the first
Try to connect the verses
The answer is not a main character
The answer is not crucial to the main storyline
The riddle does not bear any references to, nor is the answer itself, any specific city or location in the game.
50
The answer is not an enemy

[Quindiana Jones]

I think the metaphorical word is sickness.

[Rantz]

I think the metaphorical word is sickness.
That's correct, good guess ;)

However, don't get stuck on searching for metaphors to the word. Just keep that as a reminder when you make a guess or reasoning.

[Quindiana Jones]

I thought so because I read and re-read the riddle and it just didn't click. So ha, it wasn't a guess :D

Waiting here So the "me" is waiting...
anticipating twilight's end ...for the end of something...
in hope of finding love ...hoping to find love...
fighting sickness ...can't think of anything for the sickness part.

Void was my brawl; ...when I think void I think empty. But it could mean that the brawl was useless or lacking. So perhaps the "me" talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk, that kinda thing.
it drenched me. ...the "me" got wet. By the way it's written, it got wet by the thing it was fighting.

[Fantasy Fan]

I think the metaphorical word is sickness.
I already knew that. ;)

wait, the answer is definately a monster! :eek:

[Doomie]

Azar told me to say Atomos.

[Rantz]

Nope, it's not Atomos.

[Quindiana Jones]

So the "me" fought something that would get it wet? Or just got owned by something that could get it wet.

[McLovin']

Hades or the Excalibur 2.

[Rantz]

So the "me" fought something that would get it wet? Or just got owned by something that could get it wet.
I may be giving out too much, but yes, sort of. In a way.

Not Hades or Excalibur II.

[Lenna]

see that doesn't necessarily make sense. The "me" that fought something, would have to be a normal character. Which it isn't. As you can't determine which attack is going to kill the monster etc. So it can't be a monster/inbattle enemy as there is only 1 boss that is weak to water, (if it's fought it has to be a boss as normal enemies aren't "waiting"). It has to be something like rain or water. So what has water.

Burmecia: Rain
Leviathan: His attacks
Pinnacle Rocks: The Pond
The scene where Brahne dies, the boat sinks into the water after being destroyed by Bahamut.
Water Shrine

Or the ice in the ice cavern could be classed as water, because that's the source.
I feel like Burmecia is the place. Every soldier there is fighting for Burmecia, Sickness could be the Black Mages as they are dangerous and evil. It's raining constantly in Burmecia.

It could be Kal, the soldier injured. He is waiting there as he is unable to move, trying to encourage his wife to go and leave him so she and his unborn children will be safe.

Or the moogle in the Ice cavern iced up by the Black Waltz. He was waiting there to be released, hoping for someone to help him (the love/care) He probably said/did something to annoy the waltz, so maybe that was his brawl? He was a cheeky moogle :p the sickness could metaphorically be the entrapment he's in, trying to break loose.

[Rantz]

Kal and Mois are wrong although they are great answers (especially Mois).
Two things: Your definition of a fight is too restricted ;), and the word sickness is not the usual kind of metaphor and can't really be worked out. It's more of use as a piece of puzzle to fit in your guess. :rolleyes2

[Quindiana Jones]

The fight could be an emotional thing then, and the drenching could be tears. I just can't think of any examples.

Waiting here Waiting
anticipating twilight's end For the end of something
in hope of finding love Hopes for love
fighting sickness Could mean insane I guess. But the only thing that would fit for it all would be Kuja, and we already know that's not true.

Void was my brawl; The answer is weak(?)
it drenched me. Got wet.

I think it might have something to do with Garnet, but I just can't think what. And I don't mean that in a "Garnet is the answer" way, but the answer is in some way related to Garnet.

[Fantasy Fan]

could it be a Black Waltz?

waiting here -- all of them were waiting untill you fought them or something
anticipating twilights end -- the end of twilight is like the beginning of darkness
in hope of finding love -- they were helping the queen get garnet
fighting sickness -- sickness as in mistakes from the other waltzes

void was my brawl;
it drenched me -- I think that semi-colon is there saying the emptiness drenched 'me' as in Rantzien was wet drenched from the emptiness of that bit because he might've not liked it.

So my guess is the Black Waltzes

[Rantz]

The Black waltzes is wrong, and Pure Quin, you're going off-track again. Your previous reasoning was better.


Rantzien was wet
No I wasn't :choc2:

[Lenna]

Void was my brawl; if it is tears Pure Quin then the brawl would be the cause of it. They would be fighting something emotionally and then realise what they wan't wont happen.
it drenched me. but I don't think this is about tears because the word Drenched doesn't support it. Drowned would probably make more sense for tears. Drenched is more water thrown onto whatever, drowned is more in the surroundings of water struggling. Also tears are associated more with Drowning in tears.

[Rantz]

Don't let the words mislead you Lenna :p

[Lenna]

words are all about the riddles making. You can't just throw any words in to expect people to know the answer. You said to look at the sentences in full, well now you're saying to concentrate on the words? Which is it.

Hilda Garde?
Waiting here <--- She's waiting in Mount Gulug after being imprisoned.
anticipating twilight's end <--- expecting alot of trouble/bad things to happen
in hope of finding love <--- realising she wants to be back with Cid, even though he had an affair.
fighting sickness <---- The guilt of what she did.

Void was my brawl; <---- Her argument / way of handling the situation was worthless, as it left her lost and alone with no one to protect her or look after her.
it drenched me. (upset her?)

[Fantasy Fan]

it's been too long, the rules state that after 2 pages, if no-one gets it you must give us the answer.

But it is definately a monster I'm sure of it.

[Rantz]

You said to look at the sentences in full, well now you're saying to concentrate on the words?
No no, I meant exactly what I said before, don't let (the choice of) words mislead you, the sentences are what is important.

It's not Hilda.

Fantasy Fan, I can't find any rules that say that, however it seems that people are growing tired of the riddle and the least thing I want to be is a pain in the ass. If it is the public's wish to be rid of this riddle then so be it, I'll give the answer out.

Is it the public's wish?

[Lenna]

No, people complained about Thingfish's riddles being too long, now THAT was a long riddle. Don't give the riddle out, just give more hints. You obviously worked hard on it so don't let it go to waste. Giving it out will annoy alot of people anyway because alot of people have put hard work into trying to figure it out. I'd say about 6 pages is max for a riddle, thingfish's was over 30.

[Quindiana Jones]

Yeah, ignore the *nasty word :eek: * people. Don't give us the answer unless everyone stops posting and dies or summat. And even then leave it a week or two hehe. You'll regret it if you do give the answer, cos it's fun when people find it out and you go "OmFgZZZ!!! U GT IT! WEL DON!" or something along those lines :D

So I went off track? I reckon I must've gone off track with Void was my brawl; so that would mean that the answer talked tough but couldn't fight.

Or it might be with sickness. I think I'll just leave that alone hehe...there's plenty of other lines :D

[Fantasy Fan]

then what is it? What magic does it use if it uses magic.

edit: "void was my broil; it drenched me" is probably linked to "sickness"

[Lenna]

Fantasy Fan, it can't be something fought in an ingame battle. it has to be something on the actual world.

[Rantz]

Ok, I won't give it out then :D

New hint: 50
Another hint that may actually help you :p: It's not an enemy.

[Quindiana Jones]

The first thing that poped into my head then was friendly monster. The one that gives 50AP points. Dunno why it did. They don't fit with the riddle.

[Fantasy Fan]

this is far too hard :(

[Quindiana Jones]

Riddles are supposed to be hard.

Haha, we have a new Heero.

[Rantz]

The riddle
Waiting here
anticipating twilight's end
in hope of finding love
fighting sickness

Void was my brawl;
it drenched me.

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Wrong guesses
Kuja
Zidane
Garnet
Freya
Vivi
The black mages
Marcus from "I want to be your canary"
Steiner
Brahne
Beatrix
Steiner
Garland
Eiko
Cid
Blank
Alexander
Vivi
Moguta
Sir "Irontail" Fratley
Amarant
Atomos
Hades
Excalibur II
Kal
Mois
The Black Waltzes
Hilda
The fire guardian
The crowd in the Zidane/Blank fighting sequence
Zidane from "I want to be your canary"
Oglop
Chocobo
Doctor Tot
Ralvuimahgo
Queen Stella
One of the Nero brothers (Benero, Genero or Zenero)
Gemini
Quina

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Hints / other notes
Find the 'me'
No direct connections to EoFF forums
No direct connections to Terra
Analyze the sentences rather than the words
The riddle is very much literal
Only one word is strictly metaphorical
The second verse is sort of "linked to" something from the first
Try to connect the verses
The answer is not a main character
The answer is not crucial to the main storyline
The riddle does not bear any references to, nor is the answer itself, any specific city or location in the game.
50
The answer is not an enemy
The answer is not a friendly monster
The answer is part of a sub-quest
Close to royalties, in two ways
The answer has it's biggest connections to Treno and Alexandria.
The answer is a person (debatable)
"It drenched me" is referring to falling into water.
The answer can be hard to find if you don't know it's location.


Haha, we have a new Heero.
Heero? :)

Anyway, it's not a friendly monster ;)

[Quindiana Jones]

Long story. Lenna will get it.

[Lenna]

50 doesn't exactly help, I've looked at MP, AP, Character Stats, The skipping stuff, 50 skips get you the cactuar card, Level 50 with hippaul, NOTHING seems to fit with the number 50.

[Rantz]

50 doesn't exactly help, I've looked at MP, AP, Character Stats, The skipping stuff, 50 skips get you the cactuar card, Level 50 with hippaul, NOTHING seems to fit with the number 50.
I figured it wouldn't be an obvious clue, that's why I gave another one alongside it. However, it's still there to help, so: Don't look in the game for the number 50. Think about the number as such. It's an indirect clue, so think about "alternate" 50s.

[Quindiana Jones]

Pffrt....It could be an average amount of time into the game when you meet the answer. 50 mins into the game might roughly get you to the answer.

[Eiko Guy]

could it be the fire guardian

[Rantz]

Pffrt....It could be an average amount of time into the game when you meet the answer. 50 mins into the game might roughly get you to the answer.
Nope, still too much in-game. What more is there to the number 50?

It's not the Fire guardian. (see hint: The answer is not an enemy)

New hint: The answer is part of a sub-quest.

[Doomie]

The crowd in the fighting sequence at the beginning of the game? Marcus from the play? Zidane from the play?

Waiting here >>> I dunno.
anticipating twilight's end >>> I dunno.
in hope of finding love >>> Marcux x Cornelia
fighting sickness >>> I guess sickness means lack of health or something. Lack of something makes it Blank. Blank.

Void was my brawl >>> Void is emptiness. Blank. Empty.
it drenched me. >>> It drenched you with coins at the end of the fight.

[Rantz]

Nope, wrong.

Hint: Close to royalties, in two ways.

[Fantasy Fan]

It's an Oglop!

[Rantz]

Nope.

[Fantasy Fan]

Chocobo!

[Rantz]

No.

[Eiko Guy]

could sickness mean cold

and does 50 refer to 1950

[Rantz]

No to both questions. As I've stated earlier, I don't think you could figure out the correct meaning for 'sickness' before you have the actual guess.

[Fantasy Fan]

Cid?

[Rantz]

Cid?
No. (See hint: The answer is not crucial to the main storyline)

New hint: The answer has it's biggest connections to Treno and Alexandria.

[Quindiana Jones]

Gargan Roo. Maybe Doctor Tot then? Or Ralvuimago. Or whatever the monsters called.

[Rantz]

Gargan Roo. Maybe Doctor Tot then? Or Ralvuimago. Or whatever the monsters called.
Nope, good thought though.

[Quindiana Jones]

Is the answer a person, monster, or item? I'm 99% sure already. But I prefer 100.

[Rantz]

It's debatable actually :D, but I'd say it was a person.

[Quindiana Jones]

Pffrt...I'll guess Queen Stella. I'll give you the reasons if I'm right. I'm far too lazy to say em now.

[Fantasy Fan]

Zenero and Benero? (and the other enero's)

[Rantz]

Not Queen Stella or any of the Nero brothers.

New hint: "It drenched me" is referring to falling into water. You should be able to get it now.

[Lenna]

Gemini
Waiting here
anticipating twilight's end
in hope of finding love
fighting sickness <---

Gemini thought by the river, 'I will sing her a song.' He didn't know where she was, but he hoped his song would reach her.

Waited, hoped to find his love, in hope that he wouldn't be alone (sickness)

Void was my brawl;
it drenched me. <--- you find it in the fountain in treno after putting money in.

It is a person, (in the story) but it's the coin aswell, hence the debatable.

It's close to royalties in more than one way = Queen Stella, the fact it's a Key item?

Unsure about how it's a big crucial part to alexandria but Treno is where you find it.

[Rantz]

Nope, not Gemini.

[Quindiana Jones]

A person...related to royalties...who falls into water. Pffrt. I can only think Quina. She's the head chef in Alexandria Castle, she falls into the water in Treno. She's debately human too.

[Rantz]

She is, but she's a main character too, unlike the answer :D

But seriously, it's really hard for me (of course, as I know the answer) to see how you don't get the answer now. Anyway, new hint: The answer can be hard to find if you don't know it's location.

[Quindiana Jones]

Scorpio.

He waits in Quan's Dwelling. Dunno twilightiness. He wants Virgo. Fighting sickness could be because the pool he's in heals you fully.

Void was his brawl. Dunno... But he's submerged in the water.

[Ace14]

Scorpio.

He waits in Quan's Dwelling. Dunno twilightiness. He wants Virgo. Fighting sickness could be because the pool he's in heals you fully.

Void was his brawl. Dunno... But he's submerged in the water.
Oh, it could be Scorpio because on your way to Quan's Dwelling it turns from night, to twilightish, and then day time. If Scorpio is wrong then I'll guess the 13th stellazio. (I forgot the name of it.):D

[Rantz]

Edit: New riddle further down.

[Ace14]

Invisible water?:confused:

[Rantz]

Think. How can something be invisible to the player but known to exist?

[Eiko Guy]

i feel like it has something to do with quina when she fell in the water cuz we know it was there but we dont see it

[Rantz]

Quina has no direct connections to the answer.

Ace14, I just noticed your post on the previous side, and it's not Opiuchus.

[Quindiana Jones]

Haha I feel real stupid. All the answers that make sense have been said.

Hmm...something invisible but known to exist...kinda like wind? Just using that as a metaphor thing to make it clear.


Great riddle by the way :D

[Ace14]

IS IT AIR!?:D Do you mean player like us or Zidane?

[Rantz]

Hmm...something invisible but known to exist...kinda like wind? Just using that as a metaphor thing to make it clear.
No, remember that it is invisible to the player, meaning it's not necessarily invisible in itself, just "unseeable", the player can't see it but can know of it's existence. Did I use the wrong word again? :p


Great riddle by the way :D
Thanks, I appreciate it :)


IS IT AIR!?:D Do you mean player like us or Zidane?
Nope, not air.
Both us and Zidane.

[Lenna]

Leo!

Makes much more sense ;o

Leo was waiting for the sun to set into the ocean. Then Cancer showed up, and they began to fight. Into the ocean they fell.

Leo was waiting for the sun to set (twilights end)
Cancer and Leo began to fight, but they both fell into the ocean (they fought and were drenched by water (ocean) :P


As for finding love, LN helped me here, All of them were searching for virgo, which is also symbolised with love
The answer fought sickness, Cancer is a type of sickness - therefore the metaphor.

It is found in Alexandria next to the statue of Neptune (Alexandria is of royalties) as well as Queen stella in TRENO.


The reward for Leo is 5000 which has 50 in it. xD

Again Leo is a person in the story but it is a coin during the game.

The water/ocean isn't visible to us, only told to us through words.

[Rantz]

YAYAYAYAY! Right answer! You got the whole reasoning right too, except for the '50' hint. It's quite simple actually, 50 in roman numerals is L, giving you the first letter of the answer ;)

Phew, I'm relieved to let this go, thanks Lenna :D
Your go!

[Lenna]

Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true,
I could be a coward,
but only to you,
I may not be strong,
but my talent I gain,
I say who I am,
but thats not what you need,
The answer is there,
but on time do not heed.

the I helps you with what you're looking for, but the I isn't the answer

[Ace14]

:confused: huh?

[Lenna]

basically you get the answer from the I

[Ace14]

Oh:D I'll guess the friendly Yan, I'm to lazy right now to give my reason.

[abrojtm]

Is it the Fat Chocobo?

[Rantz]

I have a feeling it has something to do with Memoria... The 'I' could be for example the Defense Phantom, the answer being... Hmm... the Ribbon card?

Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true,
When you find him and challenge him, Zidane looks up as if the Phantom was "in the stars".

I could be a coward,
but only to you,
He plays his game very defensively and does not really attack

I may not be strong,
but my talent I gain,
Again he plays defensively (and his cards are defensive)

I say who I am,
but thats not what you need,
If my memory servs me right, he says: "I am the Defense phantom" or something like that. His name isn't the answer though.

The answer is there,
but on time do not heed.
The answer (Ribbon card) is always in his hand. "On time do not heed" may refer to that you can take your time with the game :p

Ribbon card being "gotten from him" as you say.
Doesn't sound right anymore, but since I typed it out I might as well post it :)

[Lenna]

good answer and you're kind of on the right track with reasoning Rantzien but no sorry, for everyone else PLEASE give reasoning or i cant help you

[Quindiana Jones]

I'm going for good old Pure Quin14 "not answering, but just uncovering little bits" method.

Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true,

reach for the stars could be literal (as in fly, or fly upwards) or the saying thing which means to...urrrr.....can't remember. Aim high with your potential. That sorta thing.


I could be a coward,
but only to you,

So the "you" is the answer? Hm. I'm guessing this means that the answer would call the "I" a coward. But people tend to say that to try and provoke people. So the "I" isn't coming into a fight. Summat like that. Bad explanation sorry.


I may not be strong,
but my talent I gain,

"I" isn't strong. 2nd lines a goodun. Quite confusing. Could be..umm...summat like Valia Pira or Pria or whatever, because it's nto strong, but because of the bloodstones it boosts itself. That's it. The "I" boosts itself in some way.


I say who I am,
but thats not what you need,

Even though you know who the "I" is. It's not the info you need. Pretty obvious line.

The answer is there,
but on time do not heed.

Do not heed on time. That's basically "Be quick!" I think. I never remember definitons very well.


That may not have helped anyone. I'm hoping Lenna can comment on it better than I wrote it haha.

[Rantz]

So the "you" is the answer?
That makes sense. I tried to find if the answer was found in the riddle, but I never thought of that possibility.

[Ace14]

Reach for the stars- Reach up for Memoria or go up for it,

And your dreams will come true- It's a place of dreams so you'll see your dreams and past,

I could be a coward- The boss inside(Nova Dragon) could be weak for sending all the other dragons to do his work,

but only to you- To the dragons it's really strong,:riiight:

I may not be strong- It's not strong,

but my talent I gain- It's the Nova Dragon and it does some type of wave blast thing ,I think, and it's sorta like a nova,:riiight:

I say who I am- It says who it is with it's attack discribed in the previous line,

but thats not what you need- It won't help you what so ever,:D

The answer is there- The answer to defeating it is there somewhere,

but on time do not heed- Don't waste time trying to figure out the weakness or it'll kill your party(Thats why you get strategy guide to find out its weakness:D)
You probobly already know but my guess is the Nova Dragon and it's probobly really wrong and far from the answer.:D

[G SpOtZ]

I'm just gonna throw this right out there.

That mog dude that helps you and your chocobo with finding different places like the lagoon and that floating island way up in the sky. Or anything to do with that.

[Lost Number]

I'll make a token effort here....

Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true, --> these 2 could mean a lot of things...summat tells me it could be like Rantizen said, literally in the stars, and you reach for it. Items coem to mind, but i cant recall most of the last disc.
I could be a coward, --> Terran race? Possibly Kuja, or even Garland.
but only to you,
I may not be strong,
but my talent I gain, --> My is the same as I right? So you gain your own power? Or coming of age sorta thing - Vivi, Kuja, or summoning?
I say who I am,
but thats not what you need, -->Need for answer or need in game? I dont know, and not much help to me either way.
The answer is there,
but on time do not heed. --> by definition, i think that makes IGNORE time, theres no rush.

I think this is summat to do with Terra. Escaping it in particular. There is no rush. Maybe the events just after Kuja goes trance? To be honest, I have no idea as of yet.

[Lenna]

nope sorry but the You isn't the answer, as I mentioned before the I is where you get the answer from, but I isn't the answer, only the connection

And actually heed means pay attention to and in this case means do not pay attention to time therefore - time is not a virtue.

[Ace14]

Is it a monster?

[Fantasy Fan]

the answer is me! As in the player

[Lenna]

no the answer is not the player or a monster.

[Fantasy Fan]

Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true, -- that's spiritual talk and fate talk and all that stuff
I could be a coward,
but only to you, -- pretty obvius
I may not be strong,
but my talent I gain, -- as in you learn new skills
I say who I am,
but thats not what you need, -- the name is not important or something
The answer is there,
but on time do not heed -- the answer of something

I guess Zidane or Vivi!

[Quindiana Jones]

So it's something with a time limit? I'm guessing it's a subquest. I'll go Blank and Zidane's little fight. (my reason in shortened form, as I don't have much time) Stars could mean famous people. Then Blank runs away. Unfortunately my brain isn't at it's peak right now, so can't link the last 2 parts to the answer. But anyhoo, Blank and Zidane's fight.

[Lenna]

where time is not important means time is not important, therefore a limit wouldn't be necessary.

when time is important it means there's a limit, but where not means you can take as long as you want.

[Eiko Guy]

Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true if zidane works hard he can get a home
I could be a coward,
but only to you kuja wasnt brave enough to start a war on his own but he used the queen
I may not be strong,
but my talent I gainwe beat him but he gains his power during trance
I say who I am,
but thats not what you need he says he is angel of death but you dont need that
The answer is there,
but on time do not heed um blah blah blah

[Lenna]

and you're answer is, eiko guy?

[Quindiana Jones]

I guess it's Trance Kuja in Memoria. Not quite Memoria, but you know where I mean. I can't remember the real name.

[Ace14]

I guess it's Trance Kuja in Memoria. Not quite Memoria, but you know where I mean. I can't remember the real name.
It's called Crystal World.

[Quindiana Jones]

Thank you. I guess it's Trance Kuja in Crystal World. :D

[Ace14]

I'll guess Hades.
Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true- Go for Memoria the castle of dreams,
I could be a coward- Could be weak,

but only to you- He is strong to the souls of the underworld,

I may not be strong- He's weak.

but my talent I gain- He gains something from his talent of synthesizing,

I say who I am- He says he's Hades I guess,

but thats not what you need- You don't need it,

The answer is there- ?

but on time do not heed- ?

It was much better in my head.:D

[Lenna]

I love how you guys are thinking but I'm afraid you're no where near. The riddle is most literal to the answer when you know what you're looking for. The first four lines have no metaphors or second meanings. They are what they say.

The rest of the riddle is just in reference to what and where.

[Ace14]

Does the answer have to do with Memoria?

[Rantz]

Do you have to figure out the 'I' first to figure out the answer?
When you say you "get" the answer from the 'I', is that actually getting it from the I, like a gift or spoils or whatever, or do you figure the answer out from the I? If the question is too revealing, disregard this post.

[Lenna]

yes you do have to figure out the I in order to understand the answer, but the second part of that question would reveal too much. Just think of the line I may not be strong but my talent I gain. think of the saying, if at first you don't succeed try, try again.

[Rantz]

Hmm. I'm thinking the I might be the Earth guardian/Lich, or Beatrix. They both grow stronger over time. This kinda fits with that saying you mentioned. They don't manage to kill you at first, so they try again. I'm not sure if Beatrix explicitly mentions who she is, but I'm pretty sure Lich do.

For Beatrix, the cowardice could be that you think she sticks to the stronger side, but for herself it's a matter about what seems right.

So the answer? Maybe something you steal from the I. The answer is there with the I until you steal it, and it won't disappear so take your time stealing it, hence 'on time do not heed'. If this is right, we'd need another pointer as to which of the stolen items is the answer.

Here are the stolen items from Beatrix:
1st time: Phoenix Down, Chain Plate, Mythril Sword
2nd time: Phoenix Down, Thunder Gloves, Ice Brand
3rd time: Phoenix Down, Ice Brand, Survival Vest

And from Earth guardian/Lich:
1st time: Avenger, Rubber Suit
2nd time: Genji Gloves, Siren's Flute, Black Robe
3rd time: Ore, Ore, Ore

Erm, I feel like I have to make a guess too. I'll say Phoenix Down, as that can be stolen from Beatrix every time you fight her, bringing a little more meaning to "The answer is there".

[Lenna]

Rantzien, hint: think of your riddle. It's similar in some aspects just try and think of what, then help the rest of them :P

[abrojtm]

My guesses are Mikoto or Garland.

[Rantz]

Stories... Reworded stories... *thinks*
;o

[Lenna]

:P think hard Rantzien

[Vivisteiner]

'Irontail' Fratley? -He jumps to the stars

[Lenna]

you're thinking metaphorically again :P


[Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true
I could be a coward
but only to you]
This part all refers to the same thing, but none of it is metaphorical to the answer. It is what it is basically.

[I may not be strong
but my talent I gain]

this part refers to how you get the answer.

[I say who I am
but thats not what you need
The answer is there]
You know who I is, but that is only relevant to a certain part.

[but on time do not heed] time is not important :) but when I say time, I don't mean game time, it's not available anytime in the game, but it is not a forced time limit.

[Rantz]

I know! I know! It's the key item, "Athlete queen" that you win from Hippaul when getting him to level 80(?)

Athlete Queen

"Good luck, Hippaul! Reach for the stars! "I only do what makes my mom happy. You can call me a coward, but only if you aren't one yourself."
=Hippaul=

Reach for the stars
And your dreams will come true
I could be a coward
but only to you

Basically what the item says about Hippaul, plus the fact that you aren't a coward (since well, you save the world), so to Hippaul you have "the right" to call him a coward.

I may not be strong
but my talent I gain

He's easy to beat in the beginning but as he gains levels he gets really hard to beat.

I say who I am
but thats not what you need
The answer is there

Not sure about "I say who I am". The fact that his name is on the Athlete Queen?
The rest is pretty straightforward.

but on time do not heed

Well, you can try as many times as you wish, your chances of getting the Athlete Queen aren't void because you lose a race. As you say, "if at first you don't succeed try, try again".

[Lenna]

yup :P well done :P but for the I say who I am, but that's not what you need. You know who hippaul is, but that is nothing to do with the answer. The name is nothing as you have no idea what you're going to get unless you cheat and look it up on a guide. :P but well done :p

[Rantz]

Thanks Lenna ^^

Anyway, I have a riddle (a goodun') cooking, but both because it's not finished, and because I just had a riddle, someone else can have a go if they want.

[Ace14]

That was a great riddle Lenna and good job Rantzien for solving it.

[Eiko Guy]

i call it

[Quindiana Jones]

Wow. That was an excellent riddle. Kudos to Rantzien for solving, and kudos for Lenna for making it. I've got a riddle right now that you can have. It's another one-liner, have fun.


Hooray! A Disciple's Board!

[Rantz]

Thanks Ace and PQ :D


Hooray! A Disciple's Board!
Hmm. Does the capitalization matter?

[Eiko Guy]

sorry pure quin i already called it
any way my riddle is

im here for a while but im not really used
im the best or te worst depends on your perception
im used through the entire game but in a different form
wihout me you lose

[Rantz]

im here for a while but im not really used
im the best or te worst depends on your perception
im used through the entire game but in a different form
wihout me you lose
I'm not one to say who's riddle is the active one, but I'll work at them simultaneously until we settled for one.

Eidolons?

im here for a while but im not really used
Dagger has eidolons from the start until they draw them from her, however she can't use them until later.

im the best or te worst depends on your perception
... You may or may not like using them...

im used through the entire game but in a different form
Throughout the game, you will see eidolons used, but not (only) by you, but also by Kuja, Brahne and so on.

wihout me you lose
Well, you have to "obtain" both Ramuh and Madeen to proceed with the game. I guess.

[Eiko Guy]

nope the last half is all relative and the first half is relative

[Quindiana Jones]

You can't really call it when you didn't even have a riddle ready. Seeing as I did have one to post...but I won't start and unfair argument.

I'll just make it grammatically correct and....

I'm here for a while but I'm not really used
I'm the best or the worst, depends on your perception
I'm used through the entire game but in a different form
wihout me you lose

Hmm. So the answer is "there" but you don't use it - Could be a key item.
It's either really good or really bad, depending on what kind of person you are.
It's used through the entire game. I don't understand the "but in a different form" part. Does that mean it changes form throughout the game?
If you don't have it, you lose. I'm guessing you lose the game.

I dunno, I think it's an item.

[Lenna]

I think that the different form can mean anything: here are some examples.

Magic. At the start of the game, you use magic as fake magic. You don't really use it as it does no damage whatsoever. The different form would be it's original state, magic itself. It's used throughout the game in a different form, and if you didn't have it, you would not get far.

Beatrix. She is there throughout the game, but not used in your party. She is known as the best swordswoman in all of gaia, and manages to defeat you in an instant when you are against her, but when you have her in your party, she is merely just as powerful as any other character in your group. Therefore she could be worse. The different form here would be the fact she is on the bad side and that she has no connection to your party. Without her you have no game.

And last but not least, the 4 jewels. These are here throughout the game, used as just merely memoir's. But when you get to the end of disc 2, not only are they revealed to have a special power, but they also change the description of the item itself. The different form could be the description change, or the fact that the special power is linked to the eidolons, which are used throughout the game.

I'll look into it some more but those are merely examples of different ways to think.

[Eiko Guy]

leena is on the right track bu no its none of those examples and the two different things im talking about are used at the beginning and the second one is what makes the first one happen


remember im looking for the first one

[Ace14]

I'll guess weapons.
I'm here for a while but I'm not really used- You walk around the world and go places and don't use your weapon until a battle.

I'm the best or the worst, depends on your perception- You can attack your own friends or the monsters so it can be good or bad.

I'm used through the entire game but in a different form- You can buy different forms of the weapon. ex: different forms of daggers would be Zorlin Shape, Gladius, Mage Masher. They look different but it's still the same type of weapon.

wihout me you lose- You can't win battles without weapons.

[Quindiana Jones]

So...the answer is activated by something else that you get later on?

The only thing I can think of is Alexander.

I'm here for a while but I'm not really used - The jewels that activate him are in the whole game, but are items that you can never actually use. Also, the activation of Alexander is between Garnet and Eiko.

I'm the best or the worst, depends on your perception - Well, some people think he's awesome, some people don't. The latter are wrong :D

I'm used through the entire game but in a different form - Hm. Break down here. I guess...Alexander is an eidolon, and eidolons in general are used throughout the whole game, but with different forms.

without me you lose - Bahamut would destroy Alexandria, had Alexander not appeared.


I already know this is wrong, I'm hoping it get's me some clues from eiko guy though :D

[Eiko Guy]

no and the last line is beyond truth you would lose but only becuz you couldnt start

[Quindiana Jones]

I'll go Choco.

I'm here for a while but I'm not really used - Choco is in the game, and you see him, but he isn't used like a chocobo should be until you find him.

I'm the best or the worst, depends on your perception - Once again, some people like the chocobo sidequest, some didn't.

I'm used through the entire game but in a different form - Certain 'graphs get you Choco upgraded.

without me you lose - If you don't catch him, you can't start the sidequest.

[Eiko Guy]

the first part speaks of something that isnt very important at all and the second part is crucial i can tell you now you have to be at least 7th grade to understand

[G SpOtZ]

The Crystal.

I'm here for a while but I'm not really used - The crystal gives life to all, and existance, but it's not known so well and it's not "used."

I'm the best or the worst, depends on your perception - As it gives existance to everything, that means it gives existance to good and evil. Also, while the party has the will to survive (therefore, thinking the crystal is the best,), while Necron states that it's 'the worst' because life can only be perfect without existance, or something like that.

I'm used through the entire game but in a different form - Not quite sure what this could refer to. Again, the crystal gives extistance to all, so it's used throughout the entire game. "different form" could mean that it's not seen until the end of the game, when it's behind Kuja, but I don't know.

without me you lose - Without the crystal, existance could not exist, and therefore, Necron would have his way.

[Eiko Guy]

noones right ill give a mefalohint in a while

[Quindiana Jones]

You give crappy answers to people's guesses. Have a look at Rantz and Lenna's answers and get some tips.

[Ace14]

Do you want people to give reasons?

[Eiko Guy]

you dont have to but it'll help you alot if you do

[Quindiana Jones]

Yeah, I think it's a unwritten rule now. Without reasons, an answer can't be accepted because guesses are bad and will be punished with....urrr.....bad insults. Mwuaahaha!

Right, lemme get this straight.
First line isn't very important, or is referring to something unimportant linked with the answer?
The second line is crucial to the answer, but seeing as it could mean anything really. Hmm...
Third line is obvious.
And the fourth line doesn't mean an end, it just means you can;t start something?

[Lenna]

Hey guys, LN told me that Eiko guy is not fluent with his english. So his riddle will be extremely hard for most of us. Try not to give him a hard time about it though.

[_yeojina_]

I could be a coward- Can either hide, or is a weakling.

but only to you- Don't get that.

I may not be strong- Possibly weak, but you never know.

but my talent I gain- Don't get that either.

I say who I am- Don't get that either.

but thats not what you need- Probably not important.

The answer is there- The answer is obvious. (Heh, sure.)

but on time do not heed- Don't get that.

Wild guess: Cactuar!!!

[Eiko Guy]

1. im american all i speak is english
2.my answer refers to two seperate things that are related due to looks3.pure quin remember treat others like you would likee to be treated and my answer will make perfect sense
4.the first twi lines refer to the answer very hard and are not useful to the group of zidane andco. and the last two lines refer to something tha is a hint and without it you cant win cuz you cant start

[Rantz]

reasoning
Heh, yeojina, you're a bit late :)

[Quindiana Jones]

pure quin remember treat others like you would likee to be treated and my answer will make perfect sense

Is that a clue, or did you think I was being rude? Sorry if you thought I was being rude at one point, didn't mean it.

Damnit, I can't be bothered! :D
I'll work on it later.

[Lenna]

1. im american all i speak is english
2.my answer refers to two seperate things that are related due to looks3.pure quin remember treat others like you would likee to be treated and my answer will make perfect sense
4.the first twi lines refer to the answer very hard and are not useful to the group of zidane andco. and the last two lines refer to something tha is a hint and without it you cant win cuz you cant start

Your english is very poor, I can understand why people do not think you are fully english. If you wish for people to understand you perfectly, try making things more easy to undersand rather than using what you usually do.

[Eiko Guy]

ok i'll speak like i wasnt born black;)

well the answer is seen and heard and a hint would be it's something that's in the game that you can't use

[Lenna]

that doesn't make sense then eiko guy, how can you lose when you can't even use it in the first place?

That line has no purpose?? If you can't use it anyway you can't lose the game as it's not part of it to help you lose.

[Quindiana Jones]

You can't use Mene, yet you can hear and see him and can't start Chocobo Hot and Cold without him. It does make sense, but could mean a lot of things.

[Eiko Guy]

since this is confusing the best riddle makers i'll tell you the answer is poly
I'm here for a while but I'm not really used poly is there for the beginnig but not useful so why use it
I'm the best or the worst, depends on your perception its a good one to the crowd cuz it looks cool but you pesieve it as sucky cuz it does zero dmg
I'm used through the entire game but in a different formpoly is used in the polygon form for the rest of the game and you always see it
without me you lose

without he polygons used to make the characters you cant see anything or do anything so you lose(you never start)you cant use the polygons cuz they are just there you cant goto polygons and select use now can you







oh yeah anybody can go now

[boys from the dwarf]

well thats a strange one. polygons and the spell poly have nothing to do with each other apart from the fact that they sound similar.

[G SpOtZ]

That riddle was very misleading... I understand it now, but it wasn't very well written. Oh well =\

[Eiko Guy]

polygons as i stated was only a hint to get you to think about the answer and it was written to mislead that's why it's a riddle

[Lenna]

no, a riddle is created to challenge the mind with truth, misleading has nothing to do with it. It all depends on the thinking of other people. If a word in a riddle has nothing to do with the answer then it has no relevance to the riddle whatsoever. Yet if it was a metaphor or in connection to the answer in a very small form, it has relevance, therefore doesn't mislead unless thought of in a different way.

Riddle Definition:
A question or statement requiring thought to answer or understand

[Eiko Guy]

yes and leaing someone away from the answer is what makes the riddle good let me phrase it like this the farther you can keep the guesser away from the answer, the harder the riddle will be which in turn makes it a good riddle as long as the riddle in the beggining to end will lead them to the answer

[Rantz]

Nothing wrong with tricking the brain, but pure misleading is kind of weird. Or I could put "asdkjsalsjfkaf" as a riddle and have the answer be "yellow". Anyway.

Shall we continue with PQ's riddle?

Hooray! A Disciple's Board!

Hmmm... I guess this (http://data.forumhoster.com/forum_lafebre/index.php?act=idx) has nothing to do with it? :p

[Lenna]

There's a difference between putting a connection, and then putting something that hasn't got a connection to make a connection. It has to be a set path on which the answer will be found. Confusing the solver is fine, but completely throwing something that isn't related isn't.

End of.

PQ's Riddle

Hooray! A Disciple's Board!

Is there an anagram in there somewhere PQ?

[Quindiana Jones]

No anagrams. I'm far too lazy to do things like that.

Ooh wow Rantzien, cool as that is, it has nothing at all to do with the riddle.

I like Eiko's first 2 lines though. They were good.

[Rantz]

Hmm, ok. Well...

The question here is whether there is some trickery that you're supposed to figure out before trying to solve it, like an anagram (but not just that), or if it's just a pure analyze and solve riddle. I'll go for the latter to begin with :)

Hooray! - A proclamation of happiness, cheerfulness or celebration? I'll leave this be for the time being.

Disciple (according to dictionary.com) (irrelevant(?) parts excluded):
- One who embraces and assists in spreading the teachings of another.
- An active adherent, as of a movement or philosophy.
- One of the original followers of Jesus.
- A member of the Disciples of Christ.

Board (according to dictionary.com) (irrelevant(?) parts excluded):
- A long flat slab of sawed lumber; a plank.
- A flat piece of wood or similarly rigid material adapted for a special use.
- A flat surface on which a game is played.
- The hard cover of a book.
- A table, especially one set for serving food.
- Food or meals considered as a whole: board and lodging.
- A table at which official meetings are held; a council table.
- An organized body of administrators or investigators: a board of trustees; a board of directors.
- An electrical-equipment panel.

The bolded lines are those I find most likely.
Let's say disciple is one of the original followers of christ. What are their names? (thanks Wikipedia ^^)

Simon, called Peter
Andrew
James
John - John Fruitbringer from Conde Petie?
Philip - Phillipo, kid from Lindblum?
Bartholomew
Thomas - Thomas from Lindblum? Thomas Goldpiler from Conde Petie? Tom, kid from Alexandria?
James
Matthew - Matthew Watchman from Conde Petie?
Simon
Judas
Thaddaeus

Umm... I feel like I have to finish this off somehow, I don't know if I'm even going in the right direction here. But I think that one of the disciples' namesakes might be a key to get to the answer.

*sneaks away*

Edit: Oh, a disciple could of course be symbolic too, as in "one of the followers of Zidane" :p. But I'm sticking with my previous babble.

[Quindiana Jones]

Bumfish. I need to edit my riddle.

Hooray! A Soul of Turkey's Board!

Sorry bout that....That's probably given a pretty big hint in haha

[Rantz]

Hooray! A Soul of Turkey's Board!
Haha, that nullified half of my post :)
I'm not one to complain though, I edited my riddle halfway through too ;)

[Quindiana Jones]

If it nullified half your post, that's half your guesses gone, which is good. I never said some of your ideas were wrong though, I changed the riddle through a fault of mine. Hehe.

[Rantz]

I have my theories on what the fault was, I'm just missing a key :p

[Quindiana Jones]

Theory away. Take some guesses. Without somebody's input, I can't give any output :D

[Rantz]

Well my theory is based around that you may have mistaken someone, for example an evangelist (is that an english word?), for an actual disciple.

For example, Mark/Marcus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_the_Evangelist) was an evangelist, but not an actual disciple. But he could easily be mistaken for one, right? Realizing that he wasn't you'd have to find another "synonym" for Marcus (still only an example). That's where I'm looking for a key, does Marcus, the name or the person have a connection to "Soul of Turkey"?

If I'm off track now I have no idea where to go. :D

EDIT: By the way, Marcus isn't a guess, just a part of some reasoning.

[Quindiana Jones]

Hehe....I wouldn't do something as stupid as that...hehe....*blushes and runs*





ok maybe I would....

[Rantz]

:D

[Quindiana Jones]

Keep it up with the link-ness. This riddle has no synonyms or antonyms, the words given are clues to the words that make the answer.

[Eiko Guy]

yall havemade me do a independence day parody

yay sounds like yeahy which sounds like dady daddy father father of garnet is leo

a is letter letter sounds like let her let her

soul soul stole stole steal

of is almost off which is opposite of on which is like an so an which adjusts to a

turkey is like chicken and chicken is like chocobo chocobo

board like board game to escape boredom escape

leo let her steal a chocobo escape

sorry i have no idea but i feel like quina has something to do with it

[Rantz]

This riddle is really confusing me... damn. I have looked everywhere for something about Turkey, or turkeys and their respective souls. I have looked for something that may have been mistaken for a disciple. I have looked for a phrase from the game that might be the answer. I have looked through all items, key items and equipment to see if there is an item with a name that could be "translated" to the riddle.

I hate to say it, but I need a hint to get anywhere now.

[abrojtm]

Rantzien, I think you are confused, you listed the Apostles. Dictionary.com meant "any of the original followers of Christ" as any of the original followers of Christ. Not just the ones that traveled with him.

[Rantz]

... Yeah, you're right. Hope I didn't misinform PQ to that extent that he would change the riddle because of that misinformation.

[abrojtm]

I was thinking that's what happened too, heh.

[Quindiana Jones]

Sorry, guys, I've been researching a cure for Bird Flu. No such luck.

Right. Hints eh?

Hooray! A Soul of Turkey's Board!

You may have noticed that that phrase makes near no sense. Here's the hint:

The answer has 3 syllables, and, like my other riddle, this riddle is in three parts.

Hooray!
A Soul of Turkey's
Board!

Now, remember my confusion. The orgional riddle was Horray! A Disciple's Board!.
The three parts of that riddle are obvious.

Another hint. For one part of the riddle. Think of geographical history. And it's relation to the rest of it's section.


The answer is not a character or monster.

[Rantz]

I have the bird flu :cry:

I'm gonna guess Cypress pile (Vivi's weapon).

Since you said "geographical history" I thought about Cyprus (Turkey took it over, I think) which sounds like Cypress.

Board could be the same thing as pile.

I have no idea about "Hooray!".

I know, it doesn't sound right at all :p
But we have to make some guesses here people

[Lenna]

the hooray could be another form of praise of victory

[Eiko Guy]

are there any bosses you win a cypress pile from?

[Lenna]

Eiko guy, PQ said it's not a monster or Character - Bosses are classed as both lol

[Ace14]

Wow, how is it that somebody can actully think riddles like this up? So the answer is either a place or a thing? Oh and really great riddle PQ.:thumb:

[Lenna]

Hooray! A Soul of Turkey's Board!

I've done some research into this, whether it's in the right direction or not I'm not bothered atm because it's worth the try.

I concentrated mainly on the Soul of Turkey's.

I first looked for definitions of those words:

Turkey - in slang can be a failure (theatrical or movie failure especially)
or A person considered inept or undesirable.

but ignore that just for a second.

After the whole geographical history thing I looked at what was the capital of Turkey, as the Soul could be classed as the 'center'.

The capital city is Ankara - which Rantzien thought may have related to Anklet.

I then went onto Wikipedia and looked at some History for Turkey and found some really interesting facts -

some scholars have proposed Anatolia as the hypothetical center from which the Indo-European languages have radiated - Anatolia is "hypothetically" the center. Could this be any relation?
I then looked on further.
Iron Age peoples that have settled in or conquered Anatolia include the Phrygians, Hittites, Lydians, Lycians, Mushki, Kurds, Cimmerians, Armenians, Persians, Tabals and Greeks.

Greeks were the one thing that I noticed first. Of course, the word Gaia (FF9's earth) is the greek mythological word used for OUR earth. Any coincidence?

That's all I've got so far I'll look into it all more.

[kuja's bird]

Of course, the word Gaia (FF9's earth) is the greek mythological word used for OUR earth. Any coincidence?

Actually, Gaia was a Greek earth goddess. Their word for earth was 'ge'. And our Earth isn't mythological, so I believe you mean 'Ancient Greek'.

[Lenna]

Hmm.. Wikipedia says different, yes she was the earth goddess BUT, Gaia was also the word for Earth, the word ge or ga was the word for land, not earth.

Gaia, known as Earth or Mother Earth (the Greek common noun for "land" is ge or ga).

[kuja's bird]

And Wikipedia is the be-all-and-end-all of information is it? I did 6 years of Latin and Ancient Greek. Ge was the ancient greek for earth.

[Quindiana Jones]

Hooray! A Soul of Turkey's Board!

I've done some research into this, whether it's in the right direction or not I'm not bothered atm because it's worth the try.

I concentrated mainly on the Soul of Turkey's.

I first looked for definitions of those words:

Turkey - in slang can be a failure (theatrical or movie failure especially)
or A person considered inept or undesirable.

but ignore that just for a second.

After the whole geographical history thing I looked at what was the capital of Turkey, as the Soul could be classed as the 'center'.

The capital city is Ankara - which Rantzien thought may have related to Anklet.

I then went onto Wikipedia and looked at some History for Turkey and found some really interesting facts -

some scholars have proposed Anatolia as the hypothetical center from which the Indo-European languages have radiated - Anatolia is "hypothetically" the center. Could this be any relation?
I then looked on further.
Iron Age peoples that have settled in or conquered Anatolia include the Phrygians, Hittites, Lydians, Lycians, Mushki, Kurds, Cimmerians, Armenians, Persians, Tabals and Greeks.

Greeks were the one thing that I noticed first. Of course, the word Gaia (FF9's earth) is the greek mythological word used for OUR earth. Any coincidence?

That's all I've got so far I'll look into it all more.

Oh my God! That is soooo good! Which makes it harder for me to say that none of it's right.

Remeber my mistake. "Soul of Turkey" will relate to my mistaken "Disciple". So have a look into religion as well as geography.

With "Hooray!" I suggest you look back.

And with "Board!" I suggest you just leave it. Once you have "Hooray! A soul of Turkey's" figured out, the rest will come easy.


Oh and Wikipedia is where I got my mistake corrected ;)

[Lenna]

Disciple should not be confused with apostle, meaning "one who is sent" or "ambassador". While a disciple is one who learns from a teacher, an apostle is sent on a mission, such as to deliver those teachings to others.

Turkey may refer to:

Turkey, a country in Southeastern Europe and western Asia
Turkey (bird), a large game bird, native to North America
Meat from the Domesticated turkey, used for food
There is an Australian Bird, sometimes known as the "Australian Turkey" or "Brush Turkey." However, its proper name is the Australian Bustard.
Turkey, North Carolina, a town in the USA
Turkey, Texas, a town in the USA
In bowling a turkey refers to three consecutive strikes.
"Cold turkey", a withdrawal from drug addiction without gradual tapering off usage.
A 'Turkey' - a useless thing or unwise purchase or a foolish or despicable person in CB Radio slang
Turkey movies are exploitative B-films, most often featuring sub-par sex, violence and gore.

All from wikipedia

See if it helps

[Quindiana Jones]

I know it shouldn't but...my bad. It was. Rantz was on the right lines with the Jesus thing though.

[abrojtm]

Something about Constantine, Constantanople...? I dunno, just some thoughts.

[Quindiana Jones]

Unfortunately no. But on the right lines with people-ness.

Here's a big hint. If you're a soul of Turkey, do you not think you might come from Turkey?

[Lenna]

ooooh!!

In the Turkish language - The name Can = life / soul BUT it's pronounced as JOHN who was an apostle (The fact it's a name can refer to the fact of him being a soul of turkey.)

CAN
Gender: Masculine

Usage: Turkish

Means "soul" or "life" in Turkish.

Cc = "J" as in "judge" ( can= life, soul, pronounced like "John" )

Apostle - John, sons of Zebedee, called by Jesus Boanerges (an Aramaic name explained in Mk 3:17 as "Sons of Thunder") John took, together with Peter, a prominent part in the founding and guidance of the church. John is traditionally held to be the author of five books of the New Testament, including the Gospel of John. In art, John as the presumed author of the Gospel is often depicted with an eagle, which symbolizes the height he rose in the first chapter of his gospel.

I've been looking mostly into all the "Holy" equipment, Holy Miter - The hat of a bishop basically. But I'm also doing some investigation into Madeen who is a Holy elemental Eidolon.

[Quindiana Jones]

As cool as that is, John has nothing to do with it. You're thinking far too deep into my words. They are very literal and completely english.

Also, the answer is nowhere near as important as Holy Miter or any Eidolons.

Maybe the answer is somehow related to an Apostle from Turkey...maybe....

[Lenna]

TURKEY, THE LAND OF PAUL: Walk the streets of classical Turkey . . .see the birthplace of the Apostle Paul . . . feel the power of his lessons as Ephesus converts from the Goddess Diana to the Gospel of Christ . . . hear the silversmiths shout as Paul teaches honesty. Turkey is part of Europe, but not like anything you've seen in Europe. It has a "look" all its own, with a special history and geography. The bright clothing of Turkey is made of friendly people with a rich and ancient culture.

Paul is the only Turkish Apostle.

[Quindiana Jones]

Correct! Now for the rest of it.

Paul was also origionally called Saul, and was Saul of Turkey.


I guess now the riddle would be "Hooray! Paul's Boards!

[Lost Number]

Summat to do with Tetra master (or w/e the card thing is)

[Rantz]

Saint Paul in Portuguese: São Paulo
There are also a myriad of cities named Saint Paul.
Paul derives from the Roman family name Paulus, which meant "small" or "humble" in Latin

I'm guessing that if any, the third row is the direction to go.

[Quindiana Jones]

Paul is not a clue. A Soul of Turkey was the clue linking to Paul.

[Rantz]

Oh, of course.

Hooray! = Hip
Soul of Turkey = paul
Boards = cards?

Hippaul's cards?

[Quindiana Jones]

Bingo. Hopefully my next riddle will need less hints.

Now Rantz, show us this riddle you've been cooking.

[Nick Schovitz]

What mini game in the game allows you to be only Vivi and Eiko?

[Quindiana Jones]

Skipping. Though wrong thread.

[Nick Schovitz]

Wrong thread this is the riddle thread right and the correct answer is jump rope.

[Rantz]

Heh, well, that turned out to be the FF8 riddle I'm having. But I'll cook a new one for ya.
Your riddle was great as always of course :)

[Quindiana Jones]

Of course. I don't make bad riddles :D

[Rantz]

Ok, here's kind of a quickie. I don't think it'll be as hard as my other one :)

I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am.

[Quindiana Jones]

Sounds like a moon ;)

I am seen, - You can see moons.
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness - Moons come up at night.
and beams of light. - and they need to reflect the sun's light to be seen.
In duality I am not - Dunno. The two moons are red and blue. and then Terra starts to merge into Gaia and...
I shine with purple as I am. the moon goes purple.


I dunno...sounded good at first lol.

[Rantz]

Good guess, but nope, not a moon.

[Lenna]

I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am.[/QUOTE]

The crystal in the crystal world?

Your characters are the only ones of your world that see this, although it exists, it's not known other than in the memories and the dreams of those there to see it. There is not more than one, or two of these crystals, and it shines purple. :P

[Rantz]

Another great guess but nope :)

Hint: It's not a character.
Hint: It's not an item.

[Vivisteiner]

terra? It kind of fits but its red, not purple.
Or a summon. Ark, or Fenrir-millenial decay?

[Rantz]

It's not Terra or any summon or their respective attack.

[BottledJustice]

I'ma chuck a guess in and say trance, though I'm somewhat doubtful it's right.

[Rantz]

Not trance. Btw I love the movie you have a picture from in your sig. What's it called again?

[abrojtm]

Viral Smoke?

[BottledJustice]

Young Frankenstein directed by the infamous Mel Brooks.

[Rantz]

Viral Smoke?
Nope.


Young Frankenstein directed by the infamous Mel Brooks.
Ah yes :D

[Quindiana Jones]

Big Chocobo in Choco's dream.

I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light. - You see him, even though he is only in the dreams. He is surrounded by light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am. - There's only one of him, and he's big and purple :D

[Rantz]

Nope. Hint: Darkness is very metaphorical, Light is not.

[abrojtm]

Artemecion?

[Eiko Guy]

does this have to do with the invincible

[Rantz]

No to both.

Hint: It's not a living creature.

[BottledJustice]

Gah, I need to play through FIX again.

Stupid guess here.

I am seen - Well, sort of, not really much to see
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light - not sure how this part fits
In duality I am not - not like there's anything else like it
I shine with purple as I am - I think it was purple

Yep, it's gotta be Kuja's clothes

[Rantz]

Haha, nope not really :)

The riddle:
I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am.

Wrong answers:
A moon
The crystal in Crystal world
Terra
Trance
Viral Smoke
Fat Chocobo in Choco's dream
Artemicion
Kuja's clothes
Memoria
Airship holograms
Terra's history hologram
The faces in Oeilvert
The blue / purple orb in Oeilvert
Mental projection of Alexander in Memoria
Memories

Hints:
The answer is not a character.
The answer is not an item.
The answer is not a summon or a summon's attack.
"darkness" is very metaphorical, "light" is not.
The answer is not a living creature.
The answer is an event.

[Eiko Guy]

does this thing only exist while seen
or is it seen while it doesn't existlike a projection or flashback

[BottledJustice]

Ok, this sounds kind of right to me, but then, it's 3AM, so...

Memoria?

[Rantz]

It is seen when it doesn't exist, sort of. Smart question.
Not Memoria.

[Lenna]

That puts me back to Memoria, but not to Memoria itself. I'm trying to think of the flashbacks you see. Or could it be one of the projections in Oelivert? They are seen but they are not the real deal. They need the beams of light in order to be seen, and the dreams of darkness could be the dream of evil which Kuja has sent you to Oelivert for? He needed the gulug stone in order to become more powerful.

[Rantz]

You're on to something :)
It's nothing to do with the Gulug stone or Kuja though.

[Lost Number]

Ok, I will hazard a guess. Is it the airship holograms? First 4 lines refer to that its a hologram, the next refers to that there are 4, none 2 the same. The last refers to the purplish tinge to them.

[Lenna]

The hologram at the top of the stairs, which explains Terra's decline and how it once flourished etc.
I am seen, <---- We see it in Oeilvert
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness <---- Terra's decline has forced them to look beyond and want to destroy Gaia.
and beams of light. <---- The holographic lights.
In duality I am not <---- there is only one of it. although there are other holograms about Terra, they have the other planet with them, or it's moon, which would still technically make 2 in one. This is the only one, with it by itself.
I shine with purple as I am. <---- Terra is purple, and the hologram shines purple too.

[Rantz]

Neither, but your getting closer ;)

Hint: The answer is an event.

[Quindiana Jones]

What do you mean event? Do you mean *walk walk walk "oh look an event!"* or a more special event like *psshhzzzzhhhhsshshshhhzzzzzzzhhhh! invicible hits memoria and dragons come out* kind of event?

I guess by that I mean, is it in-game event, or is it an FMV?


I'll go with the faces in Oeilvert.

I am seen, - You see them.
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness - But they only exist in the dead history of Terra.
and beams of light. - The ones that talk are illuminated.
In duality I am not - Though there are many faces, none of them are the same.
I shine with purple as I am. *explanation collapses* Damn.

[Rantz]

Nope, not the faces in Oeilvert. And it's kind of hard to define what kind of event it is (you'll know what I mean when you hear the answer), but I guess it's more of the *walk walk walk "oh look an event!"* kind :p

[Quindiana Jones]

I'd like you to change "Wrong guesses" into "Wrong answers". Most things said are answers with reasons, not just guesses. Hehe pedantic-ilicious.

[Eiko Guy]

so i was right it was a projection or flashback well if it's a walk in event.
does it happen right before we fight the ark

[Rantz]

I'd like you to change "Wrong guesses" into "Wrong answers". Most things said are answers with reasons, not just guesses. Hehe pedantic-ilicious.
Yeah, I guess (oh the irony) you're right. I'll change it.
Eiko guy, no it doesn't.

Btw, I think I have to change my mind about the type of event. It is actually, after a little more thinking, neither a *walk walk walk "oh look an event!"*, nor a *psshhzzzzhhhhsshshshhhzzzzzzzhhhh! invicible hits memoria and dragons come out* type of event.
Umm, I don't know how to describe it without giving it away.

[Lenna]

I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am.

Is it the orb which is blue that you have to turn purple in order to see the hologram about the moons?
Is the answer in oeilvert with the projections??

[Rantz]

It's hard to answer without misleading you, but technically speaking, no =/

[Quindiana Jones]

It is seen when it doesn't exist, sort of. Smart question.
Not Memoria.

Kind of like a ghost? The person has ceased to exist, yet you can see them.













I have a pipe. I am chuffed.

[Lenna]

Right you have confused me. You said that I was onto something when I said about the projections. The only thing you said wasn't connected was Kuja and the gulug stone.

[Rantz]

Right you have confused me. You said that I was onto something when I said about the projections. The only thing you said wasn't connected was Kuja and the gulug stone.
Yes, yes, I realize it's confusing. But you were onto something with the projections, but that's just a part of the riddle. The event does not happen in Oeilvert.

Btw I just saw your earlier guess and no, that's not it.

PQ, yes, kind of like that but maybe it didn't cease to exist, maybe it ___________?

[Quindiana Jones]

I was gonna say Alexander in Memoria, but he existed before then, so he doesn't just exist in dreams of darkness.

Hmmm. I'm thinking of the mental projections of Memoria now that it's not in Oeilvert.

[Lenna]

PQ, those projections in Oeilvert weren't the real thing, but they were images of the real thing. There's a difference between Reality and Imagery. Therefore if Alexander was your answer as part of the flashback in memoria, then that could be it. The memory isn't reality, the memory is only an image of what has past. Memories change over time. If you had a memory 50 years ago you wouldn't remember it as well, therefore you tell it a different way. So memories themselves are a valid answer.

[Quindiana Jones]

Valid, though I doubt it's correct.

[Rantz]

The answer is not any kind of projection but a part of the riddle is about one kind of projection. Another part is about another kind of projection.

So it's not Alexander in Memoria or memories.

[BottledJustice]

*stabs Rantzien in the face* :tonberry:

[Rantz]

*cries*

[Quindiana Jones]

So is the answer what's found in the projection, but not the projection itself?

[Rantz]

Yes, I'll give you that much. There aren't many events to choose from now. :)

[Lenna]

I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am.

I would say Zidane's bedtime story. He explains about his life, how is only vision of home is a blue light in his dreams. But Terra is purple, not blue so I dunno.

[Rantz]

Nope, not Zidane's bedtime story :)

[abrojtm]

Is it the migration of souls to Terra?

[Rantz]

Nope

The riddle:
I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am.

Wrong answers:
A moon
The crystal in Crystal world
Terra
Trance
Viral Smoke
Fat Chocobo in Choco's dream
Artemicion
Kuja's clothes
Memoria
Airship holograms
Terra's history hologram
The faces in Oeilvert
The blue / purple orb in Oeilvert
Mental projection of Alexander in Memoria
Memories
Zidane's bedtime story
The migration of souls from Gaia to Terra

Hints:
The answer is not a character.
The answer is not an item.
The answer is not a summon or a summon's attack.
"darkness" is very metaphorical, "light" is not.
The answer is not a living creature.
The answer is an event.

[Quindiana Jones]

I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light.
In duality I am not
I shine with purple as I am.


Right. The answer is something that is seen. That's obvious. But it only exists (I'm guessing "exist" is used for "live") in "dreams of darkness". Darkness is commonly associated with evil or bad things, so I'll assume the metaphor is evil. The "dreams" could mean it's something unreal. Something out of the ordinary. It also exists in "beams of light" so the answer lives somewhere unusual and evil, but in a lighted part. Hm. "In duality I'm not" probably refers to there only ever being one of it. But could also mean that you only get one chance to see this event. And "I shine with purple as I am" means, I think, that when you see it, it's purple. In a sense of activation. The "as I am" made me think of it that way.


So, the answer is an event that happens in an evil and unusual lighted place, and you can only view this event once. When you see it, something is purple.

Bit vague I know, but I'm hoping for some feedback from it.

[Rantz]

'Exist' means 'live', or 'happen', yes. So it doesn't happen except for in the contexts given. And 'darkness' and 'light' are two differents contexts, so to say.

'dreams' refers to the wishing kind of dreams.

'duality' refers to... well it's hard to explain without giving it away. Just remember that when duality is, the event is not. When the event is, duality is not.

'I shine with purple as I am' - This line isn't something you find out from the game or can be proven by playing it, it is rather a vague assumption based on logic from my viewpoint.

Hope it helps :)

[Quindiana Jones]

Ah right. I like the duality bit, I didn't think of it like that.
OK. I'll just discard the last line for now then.

Hmmm...duality....duality....that makes me think of Zorn and Thorn. As I can see duality as a term for something in the game. If that was right, then it's an event near Zorn and Thorn. It could have something to do with the Mulitgemini and the Madeen appearance, as that's a more important event with ZnT.

Hmm....let's see.


I am seen,
but I only exist
in dreams of darkness
and beams of light. ------ I think this has something to do with Madeen. Even though Mog is seen, Madeen only comes to life when Kuja's hopes for his evil schemes to work. Or this could refer to Multigemini's feelings towards the characters, as it wishes to kill them. The beams of light refers to the light that comes out of Mog when she transforms.

In duality I am not ---- Madeen appears just after Zorn and Thorn have become one. Meaning that their duality turned into a single entity.

I shine with purple as I am. ---- This could be your interpretation of the colour that blasts out when Madeen appears, or the colour surrounding it's attack.

[Rantz]

Great guess and reasoning but unfortunately wrong.

Hint: Beams of light does refer to a projection of the type you can find in Oeilvert.

[Quindiana Jones]

Oh yeah i forgot about that.

[Eiko Guy]

i am seen
but only exist
in wishes of darkness
and beams of light
there are only one of me
and shine in purple as i am

so that's the riddle remodeled could i get the answer from this

purple is the color of royalty right?

[Rantz]

The second line from the bottom is wrongly intercepted, it's a bit more complex than that. The rest is fine as far as I can see.

And purple is the colour of royalty and luxury, yes, but colour symbolism isn't what this is about. :)

[Quindiana Jones]

Hm.....I'm reading She. I have no idea why. It helps me think.


Right. Riddle.

I'm gonna go right ahead and assume that darkness is a metaphor for evil.That would make the answer the event in which one who hopes for evil is projected.

Hmmm...duality. I think a meaning of that would help. *waves magic wand*

Hmm...my good friend dictionary.com says that duality is the term given to the division of something into two contradictory parts. So when two things that contradict each other are "gone", this event happens.


Sorry, I forget. Is this event one that happens without changing to an FMV, or is it an FMV?

[Rantz]

1000

Darkness is _sort of_ a metaphor for evil. But as Squall in FFVIII says, there is no good and evil, there are only two sides with different views. So it might not be entirely evil :) and remember that what we call evil is a side, so it has it's representants... enough about that.

Duality wasn't meant to be very complex; just the act of being two/divided/apart.

It does not appear in an FMV.