I'm not sure why, but Taft feels suspicious to me. Do you have any feelings on Taft, Mr Bush Sr?
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I'm not sure why, but Taft feels suspicious to me. Do you have any feelings on Taft, Mr Bush Sr?
You all want to lynch Jefferson? Really? Have we not lynched enough lunatics on EoFF Mafia only for them to be revealed as townies by the end of the day? Never mind the fact that this one probably is town aligned seeing as Boko rearranged his role, making him a mafia might upset the balance in the set up as he was originally meant to be a townie. Probability tells us he is town.
Even if you don't buy the above paragraph, maybe you'll buy this one. What do you possibly have to gain from lynching Jefferson? Will we learn anything if he's a townie? No, we won't. We'll learn that we lynched yet another crazy person and we're back to where we started. We won't know what Bill's role is either because if god forbid Jefferson really is mafia, Jefferson could've just tried to get in Bill's and the town's good book by backing him up while he's still alive.
I'd rather kill someone else today, and I'm very suspicious of those of you who's been pushing Jefferson's lynching today. I was already suspicious of Taft and Lincoln, and that's only begun rising now that they've both bandwagoned on Jefferson. Roosevelt also fits that bill and I'm tempted to keep my vote for Roosevelt for now because he's probably the best chance to lynch someone else other than Jefferson, seeing as he has two votes. I'm also tempted to vote Taft, and if someone else is with me on that one, I'm all for it.
Also, Jefferson, pull it together please. You had very many hours to redeem yourself, you give up too easily.
Adams has a good point about Jefferson being Town. He's confusing, but I don't think he's scum. However, there's no reason for Mr Bush Jr to still be absent. I could find out why he's not posting, but that's cheating so I will force him to talk.
##UNVOTE: Thomas Jefferson
##VOTE: George W. Bush
I need to look over this because it was rushed, but school starts soon. B2KX might need to give me a hand, or the game may end up taking an intermission.
Votecount
Bill Clinton (2) - George Bush Sr., Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson (2) - FDR, Abraham Lincoln,Barack Obama,Taft
Teddy Roosevelt (2) -Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan
Nixon (2) -FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) -Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) -Reagan
Not Voting
Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy
With Clinton and Nixon not voting they are up for the lynch. If things go into overtime I will be at school. D: Aprox. 1/2 hour left.
The way Jefferson has being, I didn't see the need.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] George Bush Sr.
I thought I was being more useful compared to day 1. Maybe I should stop playing mafia after this game.Quote:
I've been ratting on you so much for your posting style and all you've done is continue on the way you have been.
Define Vet player.Quote:
I bet you're probably a Vet player in disguise though :shifty:
I know inactives are going to be replaced, but still:
##Vote: JFK
Yeah, I know voting at this time is bad looking, but I just got back from something important.
JFK has just gotten a replacement-partner.
I hate to do this to you all, but I'm now leaving so I won't be here at the deadline (can't be late today very important!). The deadline is being extended until about 12:30 when I can get on a computer (5 hours or so). JFK use this time to catch up.
Hello, everyone! I am the replacement-partner!
Woohoo! I've already read the thread and I am caught up! Though I am still considering who to vote for.
Please discuss your thoughts, I would like to hear who you are suspicious of.
No hard feelings JFK, but I need to vote for someone. I might change my vote soon.
I find Clinton and Jefferson to be particularly supsicous.
Bill, you are adding little to no contribution to the thread. You realize that you have a very run-of-the-mill method with no logic? Perhaps you are allowing others to use their own logic and hopping upon anyone at any given oppurtunity.
Jefferson gets the slighest bit if suspicion and acts insanely. I believe that even if he isn't mafia, he's worthess to us.
Well, I gotta go to class, I'll be back in a few hours.
Correct, Kennedy, you are right in that Jefferson is worthless to us right now, lynching him will do us no good. The right thing is obviously to ignore him for today and instead go for someone who will make us more informed on the dawn of Day 3.
As I said in the Signup forum, I must apologise for not being here.
I have indeed been working all day and was out for most of the night.
This probably means you are now all asleep and I have missed the conversation, but I have a few suspicions and I want to read through all the thread before I go throwing random ideas out.
Hopefully they are of some use to the town, as I haven't been... yet! :D
I've been trying to find a reason why Jimmy Carter was nightkilled, and I've come up empty. It seems like a random choice. The only two people who I found that he could have any connection to are Roosevelt and Clinton.
Bill Clinton, your vote before was purely so you didn't have a vote added to your score, self preservation if you will. Who do you find to be suspicious at this stage? Please share your thoughts.
Okay, here we go
I do agree with what daddy said about TJ :D
Jefferson is acting totally crazy with what he has been saying and does seem Jester like, it seems like he wants to be lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] George Bush Sr.
Then again, he could be Mafia wanting us to believe that he is a jester so that we don't lynch him. Hah! Quite a tricky situation.
Either way, he isn't contributing anything of any worth for the town, just making us all confused.
I think the best option would be for someone to kill him, not lynch him.
If he is the jester, then well done, we didn't lynch him.
If he is Mafia, awesome!
and if he is town, then yea that sucks, but as I said, he was making it harder on the town.
Hopefully this helps out, but I have more to say, as I have been away for too long! Another post coming up soonish
I should have said that the possible connections I drew between Jimmy Carter and Clinton/Roosevelt have nothing to suggest that either Clinton or Roosevelt wanted Carter dead.
Bush Jr, what makes you think the town has a killing role?
I want to talk about the bandwagon on Clinton, it didn't seem quite right.
I am still fairly novice, but from the Mafia games I have played people usually regard bandwagons as some evil taboo, but on day one when people pile on Clinton people defend it saying bandwagons are now a good thing. I guess it was day one, but I still am not a fan of bandwagons.
That said I have a crazy theory about the bandwagon. As I said people don't like bandwagons. So could it have been a Mafia attempt at making Clinton seem town? If they get a bandwagon going, good townies would then want to stop the bandwagon.
In doing this people are no longer looking at Clinton as a bad guy and tend to think that he has already had enough pressure.
This is a potentially pointless post and I think that I am sounding like some crazy conspiracy theorist, but I need to make up for my absence by getting every idea and putting it in here.
More coming now!
oh, sorry Obama I was writing my last post and I'm writing another as we speak, but to answer your question...
I am just guessing there's a killing role, isn't there usually??
and as for night one, there is the possibility that the town killing role can only use their ability once, or that they didn't use it at all night one because of information on targets. Even something new that can only use them every two days or maybe there was an attempt, it was just role blocked, who knows
I just think it's more than likely that there is a killing role of some description and killing a jester is beneficial for ALL parties
So yea, TJ might be a good option for a night kill :)
My thoughts suggested earlier are coming soon haha
argh I clicked a link and lost my text on this, I will try to remember what I had, darn!
essentially I see Teddy as the scummiest. First it was his approval of the bandwagons that set me off, but that didn't leave me with much to go on.
This next thought is a bit of a stretch, but the last thing Jimmy Carter said before he died was a vote on Ted. (and it's the only reason I can see why anyone would choose him)
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Originally Posted by [M] Jimmy Carter
One other thing that made me notice Ted is his way of asking someone a question, then as soon as they answer he usually agrees with what they say despite how plausible it is.
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Is this A Mafian trying to get on everyones good side at the end of all discussions? Or are you just a town sincerely agreeing all the time??Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Theodore Roosevelt
I'm not sure, but you don't seem so secure at the moment
Why do you think that you aren't safe tonight? Many others had the same number of votes as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Theodore Roosevelt
Well I'm hoping that someone wakes up to make sense of my late night ramblings.
and so I will finish the night with my vote...
##Vote: [M] Theodore Roosevelt
Bush Jr, you have some good points about a potential second nightkiller. A possible protective role slipped my mind. The outcome of the next night phase should provide more information on this.
I also like your point about the bandwagon. Clinton hasn't been under nearly as much scrutiny as he was before.
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Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Bill Clinton's next post was during Jefferson's "Clinton is Town, I know it kay?". I would like to know why FDR hasn't posted any more thoughts on Clinton, despite seeming set on voting for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
I also want to hear from Clinton himself.
Sleeping on the laptop is not a good idea, so I'll call it a night here. Good luck guys.
Ok awake!
Lemme see whats been going on.
Looks like Roosevelt is on the highway to death. I can't argue for him, because he is undoubtedly acting scummy. I still think Jefferson would be the most sensible kill, and if he survives then I will be watching him very, very closely.
I've calmed down now :|
##Unvote: Bill Clinton
##Vote: Teddy Roosevelt
##Unvote: Teddy Roosevelt
##Vote: Bill Clinton
I can't make up my mind >.>
wtf are you? demon dude?
A lot of my agreeing is self preservation. I know it's not the way to go about it but, I do see some of the points they made. Me agreeing with their points however does not mean that I don't find them scummy still or don't still have doubts about them. The reason I feel like I'm not safe is well as you all can see (and many have said) I'm not very good at this so I keep shooting myself in the foot. If there is a cop go ahead and investigate me, I'm not scum just a newer crappy player :(
I am not Demon Dude or a Jester. Or a cop. I'm definitely not a cop. I am a Mafia Serial Killer That Kills During the Day With Two Guns Because I am Badass Like That.
I get a feeling you're pulling the jester card to avoid getting lynched.
Wait, didn't the day end like awhile ago?
I told you I'm not a jester.
The host extended it.
I cannot tell a lie.
we've got a little over a half hour I believe.
Waaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiting ♪
...er, how did the rest of that song go, again?
John Adams, I have already said your thoughts, and I have already given I conclusion to them. They are here...
You are quite obviously defending Jefferson, but I am currently unsure if it is because you are both mafians or if you honestly think Jefferson is a townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Yes, the mafiosi that think I'm their teammate are pretty steamed with me! You should see the forum. Little do they know that I am the Mafia Serial Killer etc.!
Yeah, Jefferson has to go.
I also find it odd that Adams comes up not long after I said that the mafia would probably want to lay low... and to protect someone who I am very very suspicious of, I think I will learn a lot from the lynch of Jefferson. If he is Mafia, I will be looking at Adams, and if he is town then I will find Jefferson is cleared of any current suspision, but not completely cleared as a townie.
No, you have to look at it from the other angle. Posting a lot is not equal to being town. Nor is it equal to being mafia. But it is fairly simple to analyze the posts themselves, so long as you are patient enough to sift through he thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Jefferson. I know you are a better player than this, and you can take the game a bit more serious. If you want to go crazy spamming, go have fun in the discussion thread.
After sleeping on it, rereading this thread and eating a cookie. I still think Reagen is an evil man who is mafia, so my vote stays on him.
I think you have a typo in then Abe.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
and I had one too. above should read
I think you have a typo in there Abe.
sorry about that.
Eh, if I don't get lynched or modkilled then I might be more serious tomorrow. Probably not. Most likely my partner will have to take up the account or be replaced. Reagan is cool beans. He's not a mafia. I know that because I am the MSKTKDDHTGBIBLT and not a cop of any sort. I am CERTAIN. HAHAHAHA.
:shifty:
Also, if you all were really town you would put your votes on me, ignore me the rest of the day, and discuss other people while you're waiting for the day to end.
Votecount
Bill Clinton (2) - George Bush Sr.,Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson (2) - FDR, Abraham Lincoln,Barack Obama,Taft
Teddy Roosevelt (3) -Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush,Thomas Jefferson
Nixon (2) -FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) -Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) -Reagan
JFK (1) - Bill Clinton
Not Voting
Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy
Day ends in about 5 minutes.
##Unvote: Bill Clinton
##Vote: Theodore Roosevelt
I just ignore you.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Thomas Jefferson
Ok Jefferson is just ridiculous. He needs to go, like abe said if we lynch him and he's mafia then that could lead us to others as in whoever has been sticking up for him throughout his nonsense and ramblings
##Unvote Nixon
##Vote Jefferson
Good job.
Votecount
Bill Clinton (1) - George Bush Sr.,Thomas Jefferson,
Thomas Jefferson (3) - FDR, Abraham Lincoln,Barack Obama,Taft, Theodore Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt (4) -Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush,Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson
Nixon (1) -FDR,Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) -Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) -Reagan
JFK (1) - Bill Clinton
Not Voting
Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy
Day ends in about 4 minutes.
##Unvote: Jefferson
##Vote: Roosevelt.
Let's see what Roosevelt is then. If he's town, then we know who to watch out for tomorrow.
Totally a save you own skin vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Theodore Roosevelt
well good game guys. Looks like I'm going.
FDR is my hero :kaobeg2:
Final Votecount
Bill Clinton (1) - George Bush Sr.,Thomas Jefferson,
Thomas Jefferson (2) -FDR, Abraham Lincoln,Barack Obama,Taft, Theodore Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt (5) -Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush,Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, FDR
Nixon (1) -FDR,Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) -Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) -Reagan
JFK (1) - Bill Clinton
Not Voting
Richard Nixon, John F. Kennedy
Flavor incoming.
The town was once again arguing over who was the scum. A fierce debate ensued as between Jefferson and Roosevelt. The town argued one of them had to be the scum. Out of nowhere FDR wheeled in on his wheelchair and shouted, "Roosevelt has a funny moustache!", "Surely only scum would have a funny moustache!" chanted others. "No, it's just the style man!" Shouted Roosevelt to no avail, the town grabbed their pitchforks and torches and the chase began. Roosevelt ducked into an alleyway thinking he was safe, but he was dead wrong. Down that alley way was the heavy weight champion of the world of kangaroo boxing, Sunshine. And he was one mad kangaroo, not like that love-able Kangaroo Jack. He proceeded to beat the former president to death.
On Day 2, Theodore Roosevelt, the Evil Leader was kangaroo'ed to death.
Teddy was played by Bert and Liz, thanks for playing guys.
Night 2 starts now. Send in all those night actions please.
It was a long day for Jefferson. His name had been thrown around left and right and he escaped the day by the hairs of his chinny-chin-chin. More then anything he wanted to go home, to Monticello. It turns out, that would be his biggest mistake. As he head home, he was ambushed, suddenly, 300 snakes coiled around him and suddenly exploded into a fiery ball of flames.
Jefferson was a Self Centered Citizen, played by Jessweeee, and Death By Moogles. Thanks for playing!
Day 3 lasts 24 hours and ends at approx 4EST. Good luck!
A good result ladies and gentlemen! We got rid of the Mafia leader and a non-important role died. I do not know how many Mafia are left, but it seems like they're not in any huge advantage. I would like to better understand Jefferson's role though.
FDR, it may not have been an "important" role, but it was still a townie. That's three townies we've lost compared to only one scum so far. Not too cool really :(
And yeah, I'm a bit confused about the role myself. Care to explain, Washington?
Jefferson was a Self Centered Citizen... :Oo:
Let me start off by saying how awkward it was that Jimmy Carter was killed on Night 1. I know it wasn't talked about much yesterday but I thought about it and maybe there's a Nexus-like role in play? Ah, well I guess it doesn't matter.
Alright, way to contradict yourself on the Two-Man-Bandwagon hate, Captain. Clearly I voted for Jefferson's lynching out of frustration and as you can see, Jefferson wasn't even Town-aligned anyway. I started to go after Jefferson after the role switch, when they stopped caring about the game. :monster:Quote:
Originally Posted by John Adams
I'd like to clear something up. Jefferson's role was WHITE for a reason. The rest of the details you have to figure by yourself :monster:
Jefferson was not town aligned.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] George Bush Sr.
Oh.
Looks like I have some research to do on this role.
Day 1
Dwight D. Eisenhower (5) - Thomas Jefferson, Barack Obama, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt
Bill Clinton (5) -John Adams,Ronald Reagan, FDR,Theodore Roosevelt,Jimmy Carter,Taft, George Bush Sr., Richard Nixon, Dwight D. Eisenhower
Theodore Roosevelt (3) - John Adams,Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter
Taft (1) - George W. Bush
Barack Obama (1)
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Day 2
Bill Clinton (1) - George Bush Sr.,Thomas Jefferson,
Thomas Jefferson (2) -FDR, Abraham Lincoln,Barack Obama,Taft, Theodore Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt (5) -Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush,Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, FDR
Nixon (1) -FDR,Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) -Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) -Reagan
JFK (1) - Bill Clinton
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Make what you will of this.
Hmm? Maybe it's a role that requires constant attention by making a certain degree of outrageous posts? Whatever, I dunno.
So...these people willingly voted for a townie? Well, looks like we need to press them.Quote:
Originally Posted by FDR
Alright, my speculations on Jefferson's role is he was a survivor. He didn't care who won, just to be alive. In addition there was also the requirement to be in the spotlight as much as possible. Hence the actions we have seen from him day 2.
I think Jefferson was neutral anyway. Washington said his name was white for a reason, and being neutral is the only reason I've thought of. And I agree with Jackson, perhaps he was a Survivor-type role.
I can't believe I missed that. Clearly says "tonight".Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Theodore Roosevelt
I realise Roosevelt is dead now guys, just thought I'd share.
I agree with Andy and Barry, a Survivor-type role seems more plausible considering Survivor is one of the few roles with no actual color scheme. (That I know of.)
So, to Obama, Andy, and Abe, why did you wait so damn long to wait out for a vote change only to never change a vote when you could have easily changed for time and convenience's sake the day before yesterday? We were delayed by over 30 minutes and it seems like it would be easier. And, none you fellows EVER voted for Teddy the next day, considering over the course of two days, several people never voted for each other, including Teddy, we could use this a reasonable evidence to convict you to be an anti-town group, or rather, the SCUM.
Explain, if you will.
You're talking about day 1? I'm confused as to when you mean.
Both Day 1 and Day you guys held on to a 30-minuted tie to lynch a townie Day 1 and never voted for each other both days.
I was going to vote for Roosevelt after Bush Jr's post, but that would have looked awfully scummy after the argument I had defending Bush Jr earlier. I thought that either Jefferson or Roosevelt would be lynched, both of them I would have voted for.
I've broken a tie before, in Futurama Mafia. The day after had me lynched. It's not something I want to go through again unless I'm positive the guy is scum
Yeah, the role of survivor really is the only one that makes any kind of sense.
Alright, I'm giving up on Clinton. I still say he's a bit fishy because of his lack of anything of importance period to say, but it's not enough, to be honest.
My Suspicion List
Bill Clinton-Moderately High, he comes and goes, votes for townie but rarely does anything.
John Adams-Moderately Low, he comes and goes, he hasn't done anything suspicous for me to think he is scum.
Andrew Jackson-High, part of my previously mentioned 'Trio of Evil,' with Obama and Abe for reasons stated above.
Taft-Low, he's playing a good game and is leading us in the right direction.
George W. Bush-Moderate, he hasn't said enough for me to think much on him.
FDR-Low, defientely leading the town, he is using good tactics and critical thinking.
Ronald Reagan-Low, clearly experienced and seems to be pullign us in the right way by using FDR and my observations.
Barack Obama-High, he never voted for Abe and Andy, both of whom help hold on to a tie for half an hour, only to kill a townie.
Abraham Lincoln-High, part of my previously stated 'Trio of Evil.'
George Bush Sr.-Moderate, he hasn't said anything to convince me either way. Like father, like son.
Richard Nixon-Moderately High, comes and goes merely to defend and pile votes.
So, what, Obama? You flipped a coin?
No, I didn't vote for either of them. Being tagged as the deciding vote on a potential townie would not have been useful to anyone. I could come in handy if I have long enough here.
I have some reading to do again. For now my eye is still on Clinton, but I can't justify voting for him any longer unless he gives me more reason to suspect. So, I'll get back to you on my thoughts.
FDR has broken the both of the ties, once lynching a townie, once lynching scum. Yet because he contributes lots, nobody suspects that.
I'm not saying FDR is scum, I actually feel he is town. But my point is that I wouldn't be able to break a tie and get away with it, I haven't contributed enough.
Obama, how would you know about a deciding vote if you were supposedly inactive? You came in with a tie and decided to stay there,. But you voted for a townie with little reasoning and seemingly lucked out on who to vote for, the next day the same people who stayed on Eisenhower later spread their votes instead of easily hopping on voting Roosevelt. Could it be reasonable to assume that those who banded together to vote a townie spread their next votes to remove suspicion? You could have used the split to engineer a trick, but the votes never came to the 'Trio of Evil' or Teddy, who we now know is Mafia. Elaborate on how this merely coincidence as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barack Obama
Every night kill matters, as it could hold a clue into who the mafia are. Likewise with Jefferson's death. Bush Jr pointed out that killing a Jester would be beneficial to both Town and Mafia. Perhaps we ought to see who was inclined to believe Jefferson was a Jester-type role.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Taft
Unfortunately, I'm late for school. I'll be back later and read over the discussion before I vote.
Because he is town though, he broke both ties of people with two alignments, you guys ditched piling your votes to removes suspicion. And you never removed yourself from the association of Abe or Andrew, in fact, by not mentioning your supposed lack on involvement, you never disassociated yourself, you are listing what could have been possibilites rather than what is fact, which is rather odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barack Obama
Oh and
##Vote-Barack Obama
I voted for you in November, and I am voting for you again!
I thought Jefferson was annoying and he wasn't helping the town. I wanted him gone so I could focus on finding scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. KennedyObama, how would you know about a deciding vote if you were supposedly inactive? You came in with a tie and decided to stay there,. But you voted for a townie with little reasoning and seemingly lucked out on who to vote for, the next day the same people who stayed on Eisenhower later spread their votes instead of easily hopping on voting Roosevelt. Could it be reasonable to assume that those who banded together to vote a townie spread their next votes to remove suspicion? You could have used the split to engineer a trick, but the votes never came to the 'Trio of Evil' or Teddy, who we now know is Mafia. Elaborate on how this merely coincidence as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Barack Obama
Then Bush Jr still hadn't even shown up. That was very scummy to me, as I know he should have had plenty of time to vote. I wanted to force something out of him.
It's possible what you're saying is correct, you've just stuck me in there instead of someone else. Discuss this theory with other people while I'm gone, they might believe you.
Must run now bye!
Alright, anyone has something to say about my observations?
Wow, I really thought that Teddy was a mediocre town...
The reason I didn't change my vote to clinton was because I didn't suspect Clinon. Why would I change a vote to someone I don't suspect? I still don't suspect Clinton, I think he is a townie.
And also, I notice that I voted with Teddy, but thats not because I went with him, but rather that he went with me.
Vote Count
Barack Obama (1) - JFK
Not voting
Bill Clinton, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Taft, George W. Bush, FDR, Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama, Abraham Lincoln, George Bush Sr., Richard Nixon
Oh god JFK you made my eyes bleed with that bright colored text.
What is beneficial to change my vote to someone when I was feeling convinced of another player? To bandwagon? Would that have made me look any better? No it wouldn't.
My previous point of day 2 about the loudmouths usually at least one being a mafiaso was correct was it not? My three were, Teddy, FDR, and Reagan. I focused on Reagan at the time. Lo' and behold, Teddy... one I called out, was a mafia member. This makes me high on suspicion, wow.
I don't like your logic JFK, we didn't hop on a bandwagon so we're scummy. That is again saying bandwagons are good. Yes it can flush out a mafia member but it can also hide mafia members. You should be looking at those who jumped in near the end of the bandwagon to try to give themselves a better name rather than those who stuck to their beliefs. Mafia tend to do that. Hop in near the end so they can just say "Hey, I so totally voted the mafia, meaning I'm town. Stop suspecting me."
Those who change their votes show they have no conviction on who they voted. Meaning they didn't put that much thought into them.
So you're telling me that because everyone else was doing it I should have too. Do you often fall into peer pressure? This is a game of logic and reason, not follow the leader.
I'm not too suspicious of you JFK, I just don't think you're thinking correctly.
Also those who change their votes tend to have a reason to, usually a mafia trying to get someone lynched, whoever they can.
It's interesting that as soon as I bring this up, you guys all together to prove me wrong...
Why, it would be very reasonable to call out on Teddy so he could shut his trap and you wouldn't lose him. That's flawed logic.
Holding on to a half-hour tie is pretty damn scummy when they end up on town. And you did hop on a bandwagon, almost insantly with each other, pulling Teddy with you! And guess what? He was the Mafia leader!
Changing votes is normal and in fact, to some degree, preferable. Some positive logic could easily sway a vote, and not changing when significant evidence in front of you is foolish. I'm not saying there was significant evidence for Eisenhower, but I'm only bringing that up.
Ok then... Significant evidence... Such as?
And we all probably came here because it is the beginning of the day.
And just because you think 1 way about a person, Bill in this case, doesn't mean everyone will and did think of them the exact same way.
Seriously I really want to see that significant evidence.
And 1 more thing... How is lynching a townie a scummy move? I know what this sounds like, but seriously. We all have our opinions and we all can't be sure to lynch a mafia every time.
I must say, I am becoming less suspicious of Bill as we progress. It is not the things he says that make me change my mind, but the things others do. We now know two of the people that voted for him day one were not town, and it is possible he was used to secure an easy day one lynch. I am not saying he is 100% town though, and I still am keeping my eye on him.
Andrew Jackson and Obama seem like today's top two targets, but we must not only focus on them. While I will be analysing their posts carefully, I will still be reading everybody else's, and with no bias.
I said there was no significant evidence in Eisenhower's favor. =/Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
I meant what is the significant evidence against Bill that wasn't also against Eienhower.
I was talking generally, giving gameplay tips, not speaking for a particular events, I was debating Andrew's strategy of not changing votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
This is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
JFK. I am going to show you why your theory is kinda insane and nearly impossible to be correct. Let me color myself, Abe and Obama red in the past votecounts. I also will color in any of the confirmed colors as well as the mentioned three's unvotes.
Day 1
Dwight D. Eisenhower (5) - Thomas Jefferson, Barack Obama, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt
Bill Clinton (5) -John Adams,Ronald Reagan, FDR,Theodore Roosevelt,Jimmy Carter,Taft, George Bush Sr., Richard Nixon, Dwight D. Eisenhower
Theodore Roosevelt (3) - John Adams,Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter
Taft (1) - George W. Bush
Barack Obama (1) - Bill Clinton
Abraham Lincoln (0) -Ronald Reagan
Thomas Jefferson (0) -FDR
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Day 2
Bill Clinton (1) - George Bush Sr.,Thomas Jefferson,
Thomas Jefferson (2) -FDR, Abraham Lincoln,Barack Obama,Taft, Theodore Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt (5) -Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush,Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, FDR
Nixon (1) -FDR,Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) -Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) -Reagan
JFK (1) - Bill Clinton
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Now looking at that, you can see that If your three are mafia, 4 mafia members voted for the same person day 1. Then three on one for day two, with one unvoting during the course of the day. That makes no sense to me, which is why I disagree with your logic.
I held on a tie on day 1! Why ever would anyone innocent think about doing that? Because I had no reason to change my vote to Clinton. I thought Ike was quite defensive, jumpy and the Bill was not a good choice to lynch. I think that you should vote for whoever you are most suspicious of, not the last person to say something, nor who everyone else is voting for.
Hence my day 2 vote, which was for Reagan, who I found to be the most likely to be mafia. Now I have relooked at his posts yet again, and I think I was wrong about him, and I'm paranoid so I look into everything and mixed up his play style with scum tactics. So I made a mistake and overthought his post. Nobody is perfect, I admit it.
Now your main argument is the end votes for day 1 with a Tie. Here is a list of people who could have changed their vote and kept Ike alive during the tiebreaker.
Bill Clinton John Adam Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush FDR Ronald Reagan
Barack Obama Abraham Lincoln John F. Kennedy
Nine people! And you choose three of them to attack, when your logic is applicable to even yourself. (I admit that you are a partner/replacement but why couldn't the ("old"/"other") you break the tie? Yeah not the best logic. Now to take apart the original attack post you made. You ask why I didn't change my vote for convinience. I take back what I said earlier. You are slowing become more suspicious to me, saying I should have bandwagoned to save time. 30 minutes is 230 minutes we can use to think. Rushing votes is a bad way to play.
No, I am not, you held on to an half-hour tie and he flipped scum. And as the votes say, you leaped all over the place to make it seem you are not aligned, and that is a very typical Mafia tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham LincolnThis is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
Guess how many time I voted... 2. I voted 2 times, and I never changed. I also only voted for the people that I said that I had suspision for, and these suspisions never really changed. Seriously, are you even looking through the thread or are you making it all up?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. KennedyNo, I am not, you held on to an half-hour tie and he flipped scum. And as the votes say, you leaped all over the place to make it seem you are not aligned, and that is a very typical Mafia tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham LincolnThis is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
Oh don't get all cookie monster on me, mister. :kiss: When you voted for Jefferson, he had 3 votes, your fourth vote would be a bandwagon, but you did unvote him before the others, so that definitely makes me less suspicious of you. I'm glad you pointed this out. Jefferson's alignment is irrelevant though, as none of us knew what it was yesterday, and the alignment certainly wasn't scum. Voting for someone just because they don't care about the game is more a sign of a mafia then anything else really, they're such an easy kill aren't they? That's why I'm going to look closely on the ones who voted for Jefferson yesterday. Everyone could excuse their vote for Jefferson yesterday by saying "oh dat jefferson, what a loon! :laugh:" But yeah, as mentioned, Taft gains citizen points in my book right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Taft
About the roles, I don't think Boko has been using any of the regular names for any of the roles. We know he's not using the same name for Vanilla townies, Jefferson probably was a Survivor, and I'm guessing Roosevelt was a Godfather of some kind. I suppose he could also be a Cult Leader, but I'm going to assume he was a mafia and that there's only one faction for now, it makes things easier. My role is also slightly common in mafia, but has a different name.
I'm going to vote for Lincoln because of his early vote for Jefferson the raving lunatic from yesterday.
##Vote: Abraham Lincoln
Why would you vote for me because I voted for someone who was acting suspisious and who I did have evidence against. Technically, I was right, and he was trying to clear himself by aligning himself with Bill, as far as I can see.
Also JFK please give me a full responce to the post I just did, not a half answer like you have been giving today.
Oh, and also, day 2 started at 7:55 AM, and my vote was at 8:24 PM, more than half-way through the day, or when the day was supposed to end. How is this early? Are you also just making this stuff up or are you even reading the thread?
Alright, let's see what we got here today. A good day yesterday with the lynching of the Evil Leader. Not sure what powers he had but he did ask to be investigated at some point so I'm gonna go with godfather.
Now that we have a dead scum we should look back on his interactions with other players. Some new info may come to light. Look for people he went after, those who defended him, etc.
Jefferson may have been a Survivor, he may have been something else entirely. I have a theory but it's kind of a crackpot theory so I don't know if I'll share it. I think right now it's not as important as other things going on.
I'll post more specifics as I get the time to type it up.
Seriously people I wouldn't mind if you use good, true evidence on me, but if you are going to lie, then Im gonna be an asshole.
Lincoln:
I didn't mean early in time, I meant early in the order of people who voted for him. You say Jefferson acted suspicious, I disagree. I think he was acting a bit crazy, but not suspicious. It's as simple as that. Your evidence didn't turn out to point in the right direction now did it? Jefferson was not the fish we were trying to catch.
I do understand what you're saying and I see your reasoning for voting for Jefferson, but I still think the path you decided to take would be an easy path for a mafia to take.
If you ask me it was fairly obvious Jefferson wasn't mafia. I concur with Kennedy when he says we should be looking at Lincoln and Jackson for the votes.
This is a replacement, btw. I'll probably post a bit more later, no promises.
I think the bandwagon came from him roleclaiming and such. Acting like an idiot, and before anyone says anything it was in a different way than what Bill did. Bill was annoying, while Jefferson was distracting.
Hello George. Now, why would you think that something that seems obvious to you would be obvious for everyone?
God, relax. You have 1 vote, and I haven't lied.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
True evidence? What's that supposed to mean? I'm sorry but I don't need any DNA match to vote for you. My feeling that you're a mafia is just a hunch and I'd say it's more probable since you're one of the people who voted for Jefferson.
That's Mr. President to you, Mr. President. And yeah we get it. Different people have different perspectives on things blah blah blah. If he had turned out to be mafia he would be the most retarded mafia in EoFF history. Even if it turned out like Ace Attorney mafia where everyone in the mafia "tried" to get the Godfather lynched.
I find this helpful so I'll post it again. Voting history for day 2:
Jefferson - FDR
FDR - Nixon
Reagan - Teddy
FDR - Jefferson
Adams - Teddy
Teddy - Nixon
Bush Sr. - Clinton
Jefferson - Clinton
Lincoln - Jefferson
Obama - Jefferson
Taft - Jefferson
Reagan - Teddy
Taft - Nixon
Reagan - Jackson
Reagan - Teddy
Jacskon - Reagan
Obama - W
Clinton - JFK
W - Teddy
Jefferson - Teddy
Jefferson - Clinton
Jefferson - Roosevelt
Teddy - Jefferson
FDR - Roosevelt
What do I take from this? Teddy had an early vote on Nixon so he's probably not scum. Also Adams had an early vote on Teddy so he probably isn't scum. W voted for Teddy when Jefferson was leading the way so I'd say for now he's safe too, but not as much as the others.
FDR only voted for Teddy when it seemed his goose was cooked. Something about FDR smells wrong. If he didn't make the tiebreaker on day 1 I would have had him in my sights. But maybe that was the intended purpose of that.
Fine ok everyone Im actually a mafia serial killer. You caught me and I give up...
Would you vote for me?
Also Teddy jumped on Clinton in Day 1 and encouraged a bandwagon. Could be trying to sacrifice a mafia, but that's pretty ballsy for day 1.
Lincoln seems way to defensive for only having one vote. Also he defended Teddy on day 1 when Eisenhower voted for him:
Now take a look at these two posts:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
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Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Teddy didn't post in between them. How can he thank him for something that never happened? Could just be trying to look like he suspected Teddy. Finally:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Why vote for someone you aren't suspicious of? Seemed unwilling to vote for him not too long ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Mafia like to come up with reasons to vote people without actually suspecting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Huh. Look at that last quote. He had no problem voting for Jefferson o.O
Oh, this looks fun.
I'll be honest, Reagan is making pretty good points against you, Lincoln.
Nixon, what do you think? I don't believe you've ever told us who you believe is scum yet.
A good point! A lot of us thought Jefferson was just acting dumb and not really a mafia, which turned out to be the case. This is basically what Lincoln was trying to say about Clinton, yet he voted for Jefferson. Inconsistent!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] George W. Bush
Lincoln wasn't my top suspect going into today. But people were talking about him so I thought I'd weigh in.
I have said that I thought Teddy was scum. Taft, I have my doubts. That is besides the point though. As of right now I like you Bush Sr.
My top suspect for today is FDR. I will now present the argument why. He was reluctant to vote for Teddy, and in fact tried to subtly stir people away from him. Illustrated by the following quotes:
Trying to explain away Ike's vote on Teddy, but then says he will 'keep his eye' on Teddy. I didn't see any evidence of that since.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Giving your mafia buddy a chance, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
I would have ripped into Teddy if I saw that, and in fact I did. For a 'veteran smart player' he was too easy on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDRI wouldn't say any bandwagons are good! Still, it's only day one I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Theodore Roosevelt
This was in response to someone voting Teddy for bandwagoning. Trying to make Taft the suspect too?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Lies! Eisenhower was Laddy. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Trying to influence us to continue after Clinton, a red herring.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Two things. First he wasn't that defensive (he posted one sentence) so no need to apologize. Second he seems to be trying to get on my good side with compliments.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
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Originally Posted by [M] FDR
I didn't find Jefferson's remark all that odd, but for some reason three people in a row did. I'll give Bush Sr. some credit for saying it first. Notice how the Evil Leader said basically the same thing FDR did.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Theodore Roosevelt
This is what made me start suspecting him. Uh, inconsistent and flippy floppy don't give you bad vibes? Isn't that how mafia act?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Again, he wasn't that defensive and he should have noticed it at the beginning.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Ok, and then this with 4 minutes to go:Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Teddy already had enough votes to be lynched. So with four minutes the only thing FDR would be doing was make sure he got his vote on a mafia member.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
There you have it! What do you all think?
Btw I love X-Quote. How could I have been here for so long and not noticed it?
To be fair and contribute my :twocents::
Lincoln is pretty defensive for someone who only has one vote, as has been mentioned. That could be either mafia or town tactic, depending on how good the player is because bad/inexperienced players tend to panic easily. They have no self-confidence. Giving up easily? Another characteristic of an inexperienced/bad player.
However, ratting on one player and then voting for another? That's wishy-washy, which is a scum characteristic. Navi from Retro Game mafia is a prime example of this.
But, I'm not entirely sure I'm going to vote for Lincoln because my gut says he's just a bad/inexperienced player. We'll see, though.
Lincoln, what have I told half-answers about, elaborate. You are awfully defensive and calling people liars in Mafia shows inexperience.
I implied my so-called 'Trio of Evil' as 'you,' I meant 'You' as ZObama, Lincoln, and Andy.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham LincolnGuess how many time I voted... 2. I voted 2 times, and I never changed. I also only voted for the people that I said that I had suspision for, and these suspisions never really changed. Seriously, are you even looking through the thread or are you making it all up?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. KennedyNo, I am not, you held on to an half-hour tie and he flipped scum. And as the votes say, you leaped all over the place to make it seem you are not aligned, and that is a very typical Mafia tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham LincolnThis is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
I would like to apologize for my sudden absence. American Idol came on.
It's not purely the unwillingness to change votes, but the fact that the next day when we lynched mafia, you guys totally spread your votes, not voting for each other and seemingly distancing yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Andrew Jackson
Yourselves*
I guess Im pretty damn consistent then ain't I?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] George Bush Sr.
I voted for Jefferson because of the other reasons that I said, along with him being distracting and not only annoying. They are here...
Heres the first post if you care anyQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Heres my big point against himQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham LincolnHmmm... What Jefferson said seems pretty familiar to me... Oh right!
Yeah I said that first, but you can't be sure that Bill is innocent. If he doesn't improve, and if I don't find someone better, as I said, he will be getting my vote. I would rather vote off someone who I am not fully sure of then vote off a possibly useful townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
These inactives I just have to wait on, hopefully they will be replaced. I can only really look at the active people, and on day three there will be a rush of people who don't want to be replaced, so we can hopefully learn something there. As Roosevelt just said, we have to wait and see.
And now Thomas...
How the heck is this defensive in any way? It seems to me like you are trying to give him some extra attention for some reason...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
This is showing that he is starting to be annoying and distracting...Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Thomas Jefferson
And now he votes for someone who he said he was completely sure was a mafiaQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Thomas Jefferson
so thats what I didQuote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
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Roosevelt posted right before my first post in that 2 there Reagan, and I missed it, so I commented on it. It wasn't that great though, hence the "Little bit"
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Originally Posted by [M] John F. KennedyI said there was no significant evidence in Eisenhower's favor. =/Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
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Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
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Originally Posted by [M] John F. KennedyI was talking generally, giving gameplay tips, not speaking for a particular events, I was debating Andrew's strategy of not changing votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
In this arguement here, I thought you actually did understand what I meant and that you were just avoiding my question, hence the "half-answers"Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham LincolnThis is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
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And I am not getting defensive over the vote, but that everyone seems to be using the same arguement as if it's thier own and seems to be using flawed logic, such s kennedy saying I flip-flopped a lot when I really only suspected the 2 people I voted for.
I never said you flipped-flopped. I said the so-called 'Trio of Evil' spread their votes all over the place Day 2, I never meant you flipped-flopped, I meant Barack, you, and Andy spread the votes around to make yourself seem less involved after your banding together to oust Eisenhower Day 1, and you never voted for each other. You never got close.
anyone else feel :Oo: about this post?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham LincolnJohn Adams, I have already said your thoughts, and I have already given I conclusion to them. They are here...
You are quite obviously defending Jefferson, but I am currently unsure if it is because you are both mafians or if you honestly think Jefferson is a townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln, what out of that post makes you think that Adams was defending Jefferson? He was merely saying that Jefferson probably didn't have a mafia role the second time around. How is that in any way defense? It's mere speculation.
Also, it says you're quoting yourself in the quote you quoted (lol).Just thought I'd point that out.
I'm pretty sure the entire mafia didn't vote for the same person on day 1. So your trio of evil story is hard to accept.
Lincoln can better help his case with me by talking about what he thinks about the other players instead of defending himself.
Also,
Why would you want to protect someone you're suspicious of?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Abraham Lincoln
Oh ok now I see your point.
I really don't have anything much to say about the other players. FDR seems like a smart person, the other 2 members of the "trio" seem to be fine to me, Kennedy seems like a townie, Adams seems pretty legit, and you and reagan seem to be good too. I don't really have any suspisions, everyone else is pretty inactive.
Well you're gonna have to vote, who would you vote for right now?
and why are you avoiding the other questions you've been asked?
I realize W has been replaced but does this concern anyone else?
Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] George W. Bush
I'm sorry, I keep trying to put everything together and make some sort of connection but every time I do, my mind blanks, so I'm just giving fragments for now :(
I brought up that post up there because TJ was killed during night 2.
Perhaps that was a silly slip up, like Teddy's "a good vote for tonight." I'm not sure what I think of it for now, but it's certainly something that raises a red flag to me.
Also, Lincoln, I'm trying to give you the BotD, but you're not helping very much.
*sigh*... I would have to vote for Adams, but only because he voted for me only because I started a bandwagon against a person, even if it wasn't my fault that the bandwagon started.
And Bush, I thought those were the most important arguements, but I guess I'll answer some more then...
Reagan: I would vote for Bill if I didn't find anyone better because, as I said, I would rather vote off someone useless than somone useful. I did find someone better though, and even if it wasn't correct, I have no regret doing it.
George Sr.: Adams said he was Town. Thats defending to me...
George Sr.: I wasn't really protecting him,I was just saying that I only had 1 piece of evidence against him so if it turned out to be wrong I would be wrong about him.
Anything else? I have about 15 minutes left before I have to go to bed.
Also, Teddy followed Abe's vote for Jefferson.
Yes. One more question.
Turkey or Ham?
Both with Cheese?
Scum, obvs. :monster:
But really, I do have one more question. You said in your answers that you found someone better than Bill to vote for. Who is that?
Also, why?
I'm suddenly hungry for subway, by the way. :drool:
I think he was said in the context of TJ being a jester.
He said that when we were wondering if TJ was a jester.
Jefferson because of the reasons I have already said and his roleclaim and his crazy. Even if he wasn't a mafia I believe I made the right choice.
Eh, Lincoln isn't doing much. Adams had early votes on Teddy on both days so it's hard to fault him. Bill was a target of Teddy so that goes to his innocence. I posted some evidence but I'm not fully convinced yet.
##Vote: FDR
No one wants to comment on that long ass post I made about FDR? I thought it was some good detective work. Well maybe a vote will get people talking.
I thought it was good. I thought I'd mentioned that but I guess it got lost in my sea of trying to make sense of my thoughts-ness -.o AKA I baleted it :(
So yeah I do think you're on to good things with FDR, Reagan. Especially when he mindlessly followed my post about Jefferson. Teddy followed him, and that kind of made me wonder a bit but I really don't have much of my own evidence against him that hasn't been said.
Right now, I'm trying to figure Taft out.
Man I just skimmed it very rapidly. You did make some really good points against him... I want to wait for him to respond first though, so I'm off to bed.
It was really well thought out though...
Yeah, Taft has slipped by for me but he is still a suspect in the back of my head.
Same with Andrew Jackson.
I know it doesn't look good when I do things like this, but I do things for a reason.
##Vote: Taft
Write me off as scum if you like.
Marry me, Nixon.
Right now, I pretty much have three main people I'm concerned about: Taft, FDR, and Adams.
Taft has barely posted a damn thing the past two days, and barely anything in day 1 that I can recall.
FDR, Reagan has brought up a very good analysis of you. You're smart, but I think you're on the wrong side.
Lincoln, okay I know I've said I think you're just poor/inexperienced, and I still think that. However, I think your way of thinking is an endangerment to the town because you want to kill all the crazy people off. You need to focus way more on finding scum than killing useless townies, especially because in the end, the ratio of townies vs scum is what determines who wins the game.
And so we can't risk losing just because you think townies are crazy.
Vote Count
Barack Obama (1) - JFK
Abraham Lincoln (1) - John Adams
FDR (1) - Ronald Reagan
Taft (1) - Nixon
Not voting
Bill Clinton, Andrew Jackson, Taft, George W. Bush, FDR, Barack Obama, Abraham Lincoln, George Bush Sr.
Day 3 ends at 4 PM EST, which is about 16 hours from now.
Well it's past my bedtime.
##Vote: Abraham Lincoln
Alright JFK. If I may ask a hypothetical question.
You have a gun, one bullet. When you shoot someone, they die. Myself, Lincoln and Obama are all dead, everyone else is alive. Who would you kill? Also assume that the town would not know you killed this person and it was a random night action.
you sleep then have obligations for 16 hours? and I thought I was busy!Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] George W. Bush
Who would you kill? Still don't like me, my friend?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Andrew Jackson
I'm sorry, I thought we were entitled to defend ourselves? Not only that, but I didn't see us band together to disprove you. But that's your theory, innit? That we're distancing ourselves?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
So you're saying if we jumped straight on Teddy we would look innocent? Not jumping on Teddy doesn't make us scum, it makes us cautious. You can't assume we all have the same suspicions either.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
There's a good point, not changing your vote when significant evidence is present is foolish. But what if you don't think the evidence is significant? You can't assume all our minds work the same way as yours does. There's nothing to say our suspicions are better or worse than yours.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] John F. Kennedy
I have a little theory. I think JFK is somewhat right in his theory. I think that this "Trio of Evil" actually does contain mafia, but it also contains town. In my opinion, only one of us is mafia.
If one of us is lynched and turns up scum, the other two will look like scum too. JFK had no real reason to lump us in together. My opinion is that JFK is scum.
##VOTE: John F. Kennedy
Ok, just got home and now I have to go out again...
But it's great to hear the last night went well!
I'll read what I can while I can, but I doubt I'll be contributing today. Which is also great that I have a replacement!!
Sorry, that's partner, not replacement
Good try Reagan, if I had more time I would love to comment on every aspect of what you said, but unfortunately I am unable. I will say this though - you have got the wrong end of the stick, and I will refuse to allow you to think I am mafia.
First, my vote yesterday was not a mafia ploy. If I was Mafia, our number one priority would be to save Roosevelt because he was a Leader, and there was still ample opportunity to save him. I sealed his fate when I voted for him, and you cannot say that would be a Mafia like move. I honestly thought Roosevelt was innocent throughout day one, and through the first half of day two I still failed to see any decisive evidence. It was the final stalemate yesterday where I saw where people were coming from, but I had to make the vote because it would give us some good information either way. Roosevelt was an important player because of the interaction he had. If he was town, it would be disappointing, but it would give us a good indication of who could have been Mafia, or it could of at least given us some vital suspicions. But no, he was Mafia, and I think voting for him was a brilliant move, and if you seek to lynch me for that then you need to rethink.
Connections? No. I did not directly defend Roosevelt at any point, but I will admit to giving hints. This was not to save Roosevelt, but to make sure the town were aware they were sure of lynching him. I did not want the town to lynch Roosevelt because of his less advanced play style, and I needed people to make sure they had looked at the other aspects of him. If I had such connections with Roosevelt though, I wouldn't of let him get into that trouble Day 1, and I certainly would of assured his safety earlier yesterday. Maybe things between us looked odd, but nobody can play a good game without trial and error. I feel as if you are making a bigger deal out of this than necessary, and I hope you re-evaluate your suspicions.
And that was just a quick five minute statement before I go off to do something. I can come back later and prove you more wrong, if you wanted.
That was actually a decent defense, Lincoln. I'm not so sure if I'll be voting for you today after all, and that pretty much means that I'm all out of suspects for Day 2. While I don't know who my enemies are, I think I do know who my friends are. I'm pretty sure Reagan is town, as he was the second vote for Roosevelt. Without a second vote, a single vote is pretty useless, so that was a big step up for that bandwagon. I think I would like to test Reagan's theories today.
##Unvote: Lincoln
##Vote: FDR
I'm still suspicious of some of the ones who voted Jefferson, mind you.
I'd kill Bill or Nixon, both are inactive. Do what you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Andrew Jackson
There was four minutes left when you voted for him and at that time he already had a 4-3 lead over Jefferson. Since you had already voted for Jefferson you could not have forced a tie. Therefore your vote on him turned out to be irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
hmmm I seem to be in a bit of a difficult situation here.
I do not know if I was replaced or partnered. The fact taht I am now posting makes me think I was partnered hah!
anyway, the real problem here is that I disagree with myself
My partner has appeared to vote for Lincoln because of his vote towards Jefferson (for being all crazy like) apparently contradicted the beliefs he had put forward about Clinton (because Clinton was being all crazy like too)
But they were acting differently, Clinton was just role playing and being stupid (on day one), whereas Jefferson was confusing and distracting, no one knew what he was doing (which lead to the suspicion of jester and mafia claiming jester).
I think Lincoln wasn't totally wrong in his vote for Jefferson that day, he was a distracting player that wasn't helping the Town, because he was infact Self-Centered.
Of everyone I see JFK and FDR as the sus ones.
JFK seems to be gunning wildly for his 'Evil Trio' thing there, sure it could be a good idea, but it is a bit of a stretch and I would put an idea like that forward, but not use it as my basis of accusation. Obama made some good points above that I am too tired to repeat...
and FDR, you seem too organised with what your ideas and what you have to say, there's all that Reagan said (again, too tired to copy) and then your five minute statement that seemed far too official and planned out. Yes, you did put the final nail in teddy's coffin, but was it really needed? You also put the final nail in on day one too. Seems like a good move to avoid suspicion by saying that you were the one to make that final move...
finally
(yes I am still tired, but this was really worth noting)
Why would you test the town to make sure they didn't lynch Roosevelt because of his less advanced play style? He didn't seem all that amateur to me, I usually find that new players are much less talkative (this is purely going from what I saw in his gameplay I don't know how bert or liz have played previously). Also, why wouldn't you just say your thoughts to the town?? Rather than hinting that someone you must have thought was mafia, wasn't, in order to test the town?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDR
Seems rather odd to me.
Also a nicely written out scapegoat for what seems to be all your suspicious actions. Quite suspicious in itself.
Anyway, I would like to vote, but I don't know who wears the trousers in this partnership.
Instead, I'd like to encourage you guys to take in what I have said and that my partner read this post and possibly rethink and explain his/her vote. I might vote later, depends if I get on hah!
Vote Count
Barack Obama (1) - JFK
Abraham Lincoln (1) -John Adams, George W. Bush
FDR (2) - Ronald Reagan, John Adams
Taft (1) - Nixon
JFK (1) - Barack Obama
Not voting
Bill Clinton, Andrew Jackson, Taft, FDR, Abraham Lincoln, George Bush Sr.
Day 3 ends at 4 PM EST, which is about 4 hours from now.
Already answered the second question Mr. Reagen. most of the post is cut out for the sake of saving space.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ronald ReaganWho would you kill? Still don't like me, my friend?Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Andrew Jackson
As to your first question, as of right now I would knock out Taft. Where did he go? I miss his mustache.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Andrew Jackson
I am adding a +1 vote to all the novote people. Just to see where the vote count is after the +1 no vote rule. Also I reordered the votes so the highest is on top. Majority lynch is 6.
Vote Count (Expanded)
FDR (3) - Ronald Reagan, John Adams + novote
Abraham Lincoln (2) -John Adams, George W. Bush + novote
Taft (2) - Nixon + novote
Barack Obama (1) - JFK
JFK (1) - Barack Obama
Clinton(1) - + novote
Jackson(1) - + novote
Bush Sr(1) - + novote
Not voting
Bill Clinton, Andrew Jackson, Taft, FDR, Abraham Lincoln, George Bush Sr.
Go ahead, lynch me. You'll be the real losers. I have absolutely nothing to hide, and you're all falling for Reagan's trap. He is trying to control you like puppets, and if you want to vote me, one of the most important members of town off, then I have no problem. I am one of the most honest and fair people here. When I make a mistake, I gratefully accept corrections, and when I am called out I reply calmly and helpfully. Go on lynch me, I'm town, and a townie doesn't care about himself, a townie cares about the town.
But there is one thing, and that is Reagan. Reagan is manipulative, and blindly following him will lead to your loss. If I go down today, I'm not leaving without facing up to Reagan. Come on Reagan, give me all you got, because I will go to any length to prove my innocence.
Vote history time! All dead people are colored by alignment.
Day 1 Voting
FDR - Jefferson
Reagan - Lincoln
Adams - Clinton
Jefferson - Eisenhower
Adams - Teddy
Obama - Eisenhower
W. Bush - Taft
Clinton - Obama
Eisenhower - Teddy
Reagan - Clinton
FDR - Clinton
Teddy - Clinton
Carter - Clinton
Taft - Clinton
Bush Sr. - Clinton
Reagan - Teddy
Jackson - Eisenhower
Carter - Teddy
Nixon - Clinton
Lincoln - Eisenhower
Teddy - Eisenhower
Eisenhower - Clinton
FDR - EisenhowerDay 2
Jefferson - FDR
FDR - Nixon
Reagan - Teddy
FDR - Jefferson
Adams - Teddy
Teddy - Nixon
Bush Sr. - Clinton
Jefferson - Clinton
Lincoln - Jefferson
Obama - Jefferson
Taft - Jefferson
Reagan - Teddy
Taft - Nixon
Reagan - Jackson
Reagan - Teddy
Jackson - Reagan
Obama - W
Clinton - JFK
W - Teddy
Jefferson - Teddy
Jefferson - Clinton
Jefferson - Teddy
Teddy - Jefferson
FDR - Teddy
Excuse me sir, Reagan is putting a case against you. But saying he's manipulative? I'm thinking just presenting a case. And blindly following him? One other person voted for you. Otherwise it was a novote for yourself. That is hardly us following him. Paranoid much?Quote:
But there is one thing, and that is Reagan. Reagan is manipulative, and blindly following him will lead to your loss. If I go down today, I'm not leaving without facing up to Reagan. Come on Reagan, give me all you got, because I will go to any length to prove my innocence.
I was not suspicious at all before the case was made, and now I'm being voted for without a chance to defend myself. Reagan says something, and other follow without giving me any opportunity to explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Andrew Jackson
Well here's your opportunity to explain. I already gave you all I got, it was in a long ass post a few hours ago.
Not sure how two votes is blindly following either. You seem more than a little paranoid.
I found you somewhat suspicious day 2, where I listed you, Teddy and Reagen and said that the loudmouths (as with anybody else) are never to be blindly followed.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] FDRI was not suspicious at all before the case was made, and now I'm being voted for without a chance to defend myself. Reagan says something, and other follow without giving me any opportunity to explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Andrew Jackson
Also you have right now to defend!
I had this post almost ready, then read the thread in preview and wanted to say stuff while finishing up this one.
Now there is a couple things I'll pull from these posts.
1) I find it funny that the only people with votes on them currently who also voted are JFK and Obama.
2) I want to look at the two bandwagon time vote patterns from day 1. The Clinton bandwagon and the Eisenhower bandwagon. Again with pretty colors for what we know.
Reagan - Clinton
FDR - Clinton
Teddy - Clinton
Carter - Clinton
Taft - Clinton
Bush Sr. - Clinton
Jackson - Eisenhower
Carter - Teddy
Nixon - Clinton
Lincoln - Eisenhower
Teddy - Eisenhower
Eisenhower - Clinton
Tiebreaking vote FDR - Eisenhower
We had a block of 6 votes on Clinton in a row. The times were from 12:24 to 3:24. we have a few votes, and we get to the Eisenhower block. The time of these votes is from 3:46 to end of day 1 (5:40).
I'll do an analysis of the bandwagons.
Here are the people from only the Clinton one.
Reagen. Carter. Taft. Bush Sr.
Here are those on only The Ike one.
Jackson. Lincoln.
Here are those on Both.
FDR. Teddy.
Finally those on Neither Bandwagon.
Clinton. Adams. W. Obama. Ike. Nixon. JFK. Jefferson
make of this as you will.
Okay, the best way to prove innocence is the absolute truth. I believe my role is pivotal to our success, and if I have to claim it, so be it.
I am a Doctor. (Technically the medical school graduate, as stated in my pm. That was just for fanciness)
Night 1: I protected myself. I had absolutely no idea who to protect, so i assured my safety for the night. I believe this was the right idea, and protecting Carter was something I probably would not have done, so my choice did not affect the kill.
Night 2: I protected Reagan. After he destroyed Roosevelt I felt as if it was necessary to protect Reagan to keep him safe from the Mafia. It is obvious he wasn't targeted, which was very odd.
That is all the detail I can go into without making an unnecessary wall of text. Please, ask me questions, because I need to prove this. I implore you guys, do not lynch your doctor. I have placed myself in enough danger as it is now.
1 hour and 10 minutes left in the day.
Anyone can roleclaim dude. At least defend yourself against the accusations made. All you have done so far is yell at everyone who thought he might be right.
Hmm, I don't want to lynch the doctor, and the alternative name for the role seems plausible.
If you protected me on night two, then why the sudden change of heart? Calling me manipulative and 'leading the town to its doom'. Doesn't sound like the way you would talk to someone worth protecting.
Don't be so sure I wasn't targeted. Jefferson's death could have been due to other means. We really can't be sure what his role was and what else is out there.
Your claim can be easily rebunked if another doctor steps forward. They would know the real alternative name for this role and be able to prove you wrong. I'm willing to wait for that.
Your roleclaim buys you some time. But now who do I vote for? Your defense has got you an unvote so let's hear who you think we should be voting for.
##Unvote: FDR
I don't need to defend anymore. Believe me or don't believe me, make your choice.
No townie with the amount of skill you seem to have would do something like that.
Trust me, nobody else will come out and say that. I believe I have been a good, trustworthy player, and one that people can believe. Casting me in doubt will make the progress we make slower, and we're less likely to win. Please, trust me, I am not lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by [M] Ronald Reagan
I am going to give FDR the benefit of the doubt with his roleclaim. I would much rather play it safe with a protective role than risk killing him.
Whoever has an investigative role. Make of all three days as you choose to, and no matter what, make your choice as you feel is correct.
Current Votes
FDR (3) - Ronald Reagan, John Adams + novote
Abraham Lincoln (2) -John Adams, George W. Bush + novote
Taft (2) - Nixon + novote
Barack Obama (1) - JFK
JFK (1) - Barack Obama
Clinton(1) - + novote
Jackson(1) - + novote
Bush Sr(1) - + novote
I think that Taft is going to have to get up here and start talking. He was pretty active days 1 and 2. Now one post day 3, and it has been a good 20+ hours. Please play the game if your sign up.
FDR, feel free to place a vote on me if you don't have any other suspicions on who is scum, but a vote from a claimed power role is pretty much required to be believed. You are in the lead with votes of your own accord after all.
With that said, I'll throw a vote onto old Taft, maybe being on the border between life and death will get him talking. I really hope you get on.
Edit in preview
I was about to vote Taft to tiebreak with FDR. Now I have people to talk with as well as FDR not being in the lead, so I won't make a vote right now.
New current votes
FDR (2) -Ronald Reagan, John Adams + novote
Abraham Lincoln (2) -John Adams, George W. Bush + novote
Taft (2) - Nixon + novote
Barack Obama (1) - JFK
JFK (1) - Barack Obama
Clinton(1) - + novote
Jackson(1) - + novote
Bush Sr(1) - + novote
Reagan(1) - + novote
Taft, Lincoln and FDR in the lead by 1. All three have not voted. =/
Taft is 50/50 in my mind right now. Could go either way. I guess a vote for him is better than a vote for people who I think are likely townies: Nixon, Adams, and Clinton.
I don't think I have enough time to go through the thread and analyze Taft's posts a lot. Today might have to be a blind lynch. =/ I'm still not convinced on FDR. I still don't buy his reasoning why he stuck up for Teddy and why he turned on me after protecting me.
God I really don't know what to do... Reagan made some great evidence against FDR, but then he roleclaimed. Now a Doctor is a pretty common role for a mafia to roleclaim, but know that I think about it FDR was playing pretty smart before, and maybe that was because he knew he was safer to night kills being a doctor and being able to protect himself... I just don't know...
Don't be swayed by other peoples' opinions. Your instinct is the most important one.