Mafia XIII: Game thread! - GAME OVER - Hail to the Town!

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

My top suspect for today is FDR. I will now present the argument why. He was reluctant to vote for Teddy, and in fact tried to subtly stir people away from him. Illustrated by the following quotes:

Eisenhower is bugging me. His vote on Roosevelt is just to save his skin, and that seems odd seeing as he seems bent on contribution. Perhaps instead of panic voting, it would be wiser to look at other members and provide your opinion on them? Asking for contribution but not providing much is scummy, but there must be more reasons to lynch than that.

Not to say I'm not suspicious of Roosevelt though. I will keep my eye on you.

Trying to explain away Ike's vote on Teddy, but then says he will 'keep his eye' on Teddy. I didn't see any evidence of that since.

##Vote: Bill Clinton.

Now we're on evens for the most part. I think Eisenhower and Roosevelt should be given more time.

Giving your mafia buddy a chance, eh?

I think it's good to bandwagon at this point. If Bill is mafia he's going to try and do something. this way we can sort of flush him out I suppose.

I wouldn't say any bandwagons are good! Still, it's only day one I guess.

I would have ripped into Teddy if I saw that, and in fact I did. For a 'veteran smart player' he was too easy on him.

I believe Taft also bandwagoned, am I right?

This was in response to someone voting Teddy for bandwagoning. Trying to make Taft the suspect too?

I'm sorry Eisonhower, you were a good player. =)

Lies! Eisenhower was Laddy.

Bill Clinton, I'm calling you out. I want you to post your suspicions, explain why you wouldn't be guilty, and make up for yesterday. A townie was killed for you, and I'm certain that you will be lynched without hesitation if you fail to contribute.

Trying to influence us to continue after Clinton, a red herring.

Also, I do apologise for being defensive. It was the first vote against me, and that's enough to make anybody feel a little taken aback. I endorse voting earlier and looking for a final vote later, it makes more discussion and allows us to avoid non-voters

Reagan seems to know what he's doing, and I think he will be a pivotal member to the town, if he is so aligned. However, the paranoid side of me says this could be a ploy, and Reagan is distancing himself from Roosevelt. I'm more inclined towards thinking it is genuine suspicion, but when playing a game such as this everything must be taken into account. I only bring Reagan up because he seems like a powerful player, which is good, as long as he's town.

Two things. First he wasn't that defensive (he posted one sentence) so no need to apologize. Second he seems to be trying to get on my good side with compliments.

Yeah, I want to know as well. Seems odd that you would be so certain.

I agree. How can one truly know unless you are working together?

I didn't find Jefferson's remark all that odd, but for some reason three people in a row did. I'll give Bush Sr. some credit for saying it first. Notice how the Evil Leader said basically the same thing FDR did.

Reagan, are you sure you aren't being a tad harsh? Roosevelt is inconsistent and flippy floppy, but I don't get bad vibes from him. I suppose we're entitled to opinions though, and I can't say he's acting like a great town right now.

This is what made me start suspecting him. Uh, inconsistent and flippy floppy don't give you bad vibes? Isn't that how mafia act?

I regret the deleted post. I assure you it was me whining though. I was annoyed the day wasn't starting, but the hosts don't need any hassle.

And yes, thank you very much for pointing the "defensive" thing out to me. It makes me more suspicious of Jefferson.

Again, he wasn't that defensive and he should have noticed it at the beginning.

I fail to see the logic behind being suspected because of being an active poster. I post lots because I have a lot to share, and if I'm mafia because of that then that sucks. I also am certain of my vote for Jefferson now.

Ok, and then this with 4 minutes to go:

##Unvote: Jefferson
##Vote: Roosevelt.

Let's see what Roosevelt is then. If he's town, then we know who to watch out for tomorrow.

Teddy already had enough votes to be lynched. So with four minutes the only thing FDR would be doing was make sure he got his vote on a mafia member.

There you have it! What do you all think?

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Btw I love X-Quote. How could I have been here for so long and not noticed it?

[[M] Athena]

To be fair and contribute my :twocents::

Lincoln is pretty defensive for someone who only has one vote, as has been mentioned. That could be either mafia or town tactic, depending on how good the player is because bad/inexperienced players tend to panic easily. They have no self-confidence. Giving up easily? Another characteristic of an inexperienced/bad player.

However, ratting on one player and then voting for another? That's wishy-washy, which is a scum characteristic. Navi from Retro Game mafia is a prime example of this.

But, I'm not entirely sure I'm going to vote for Lincoln because my gut says he's just a bad/inexperienced player. We'll see, though.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Lincoln, what have I told half-answers about, elaborate. You are awfully defensive and calling people liars in Mafia shows inexperience.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Holding on to a half-hour tie is pretty damn scummy when they end up on town.

This is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.

No, I am not, you held on to an half-hour tie and he flipped scum. And as the votes say, you leaped all over the place to make it seem you are not aligned, and that is a very typical Mafia tactic.

Guess how many time I voted... 2. I voted 2 times, and I never changed. I also only voted for the people that I said that I had suspision for, and these suspisions never really changed. Seriously, are you even looking through the thread or are you making it all up?

I implied my so-called 'Trio of Evil' as 'you,' I meant 'You' as ZObama, Lincoln, and Andy.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

I would like to apologize for my sudden absence. American Idol came on.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

JFK. I am going to show you why your theory is kinda insane and nearly impossible to be correct. Let me color myself, Abe and Obama red in the past votecounts. I also will color in any of the confirmed colors as well as the mentioned three's unvotes.

Day 1

Dwight D. Eisenhower (5) - Thomas Jefferson, Barack Obama, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt
Bill Clinton (5) - John Adams, Ronald Reagan, FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter, Taft, George Bush Sr., Richard Nixon, Dwight D. Eisenhower
Theodore Roosevelt (3) - John Adams, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter
Taft (1) - George W. Bush
Barack Obama (1) - Bill Clinton
Abraham Lincoln (0) - Ronald Reagan
Thomas Jefferson (0) - FDR

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Day 2

Bill Clinton (1) - George Bush Sr., Thomas Jefferson,
Thomas Jefferson (2) - FDR, Abraham Lincoln, Barack Obama, Taft, Theodore Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt (5) - Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, FDR
Nixon (1) - FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) - Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) - Reagan
JFK (1) - Bill Clinton
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Now looking at that, you can see that If your three are mafia, 4 mafia members voted for the same person day 1. Then three on one for day two, with one unvoting during the course of the day. That makes no sense to me, which is why I disagree with your logic.

I held on a tie on day 1! Why ever would anyone innocent think about doing that? Because I had no reason to change my vote to Clinton. I thought Ike was quite defensive, jumpy and the Bill was not a good choice to lynch. I think that you should vote for whoever you are most suspicious of, not the last person to say something, nor who everyone else is voting for.

Hence my day 2 vote, which was for Reagan, who I found to be the most likely to be mafia. Now I have relooked at his posts yet again, and I think I was wrong about him, and I'm paranoid so I look into everything and mixed up his play style with scum tactics. So I made a mistake and overthought his post. Nobody is perfect, I admit it.

Now your main argument is the end votes for day 1 with a Tie. Here is a list of people who could have changed their vote and kept Ike alive during the tiebreaker.


Bill Clinton John Adam Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush FDR Ronald Reagan
Barack Obama Abraham Lincoln John F. Kennedy




Nine people! And you choose three of them to attack, when your logic is applicable to even yourself. (I admit that you are a partner/replacement but why couldn't the ("old"/"other") you break the tie? Yeah not the best logic. Now to take apart the original attack post you made. You ask why I didn't change my vote for convinience. I take back what I said earlier. You are slowing become more suspicious to me, saying I should have bandwagoned to save time. 30 minutes is 230 minutes we can use to think. Rushing votes is a bad way to play.

It's not purely the unwillingness to change votes, but the fact that the next day when we lynched mafia, you guys totally spread your votes, not voting for each other and seemingly distancing yourself.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Yourselves*

[[M] Apollo]

Navi from Retro Game mafia is a prime example of this.

I guess Im pretty damn consistent then ain't I?

I voted for Jefferson because of the other reasons that I said, along with him being distracting and not only annoying. They are here...

Expanding on the idea of my last post(I just made the connection)...

I think you are trying to give him a little bit of attention so he might possibly be discreditted a little bit because you feel threatened by him. By saying he is a defensive player, people may not believe his offence quite like they would before. FDR does seem like a very smart player, so thats why I think you are doing this. Now, with your role changing, I find it just as likely that you would have stayed a townie as you would have become a mafia, because George might not want someone to be so confirmed.

Also, with FDR's deleted post, I originally thought that he made a post here that he possibly meant to do at the mafia forum, but he seems too smart to do that right now.

Heres the first post if you care any

Hmmm... What Jefferson said seems pretty familiar to me... Oh right!

Wtf? People, why are we voting off the idiot? Look back, and you can see that almost every person in the previous games that wasn't smart were townies. Plus, he said that he would contribute more and be less of an idiot.

Yeah I said that first, but you can't be sure that Bill is innocent. If he doesn't improve, and if I don't find someone better, as I said, he will be getting my vote. I would rather vote off someone who I am not fully sure of then vote off a possibly useful townie.

These inactives I just have to wait on, hopefully they will be replaced. I can only really look at the active people, and on day three there will be a rush of people who don't want to be replaced, so we can hopefully learn something there. As Roosevelt just said, we have to wait and see.

And now Thomas...

I explained myself quite well, I was offering Bill another chance because unlike Eisenhower, he hadn't done anything mafia-like.

How the heck is this defensive in any way? It seems to me like you are trying to give him some extra attention for some reason...

Heres my big point against him

Ok, as I have said before, I think of things in worst-case scenarios, so here is what I think of Jefferson. As has been said in past games, the best townie can think like a mafia.

Jefferson: I think he thought that Bill Clinton was going to be lynched today, knew that he is a townie because he himself is a mafian, so he decided to line up behind him and when Bill is lynched, he would look that much more innocent. He went with Bill because he saw what I said about him and saw that it had a little bit of support, perfect to get enough people behind him and yet have enough to vote for him to get him lynched.

I really think I will end today with a vote for Jefferson, but anything can happen I guess.

Eh, whatever. Honestly I don't even care xD

##Kill: Bill Clinton


(SPOILER)That was a joke. I don't actually have a killing role.

This is showing that he is starting to be annoying and distracting...

Oh, Bill DON'T YOU EVEN START ON THE KNOWING THINGS AGAIN. There is nothing one bit odd about suggesting a cult is in place.

##Unvote: FDR
##Vote: Bill Clinton

And now he votes for someone who he said he was completely sure was a mafia

For reasons stated before and also now Jefferson going crazy and yelling and voting for someone who he just said he was certain was a townie(possibly because my theory is correct), I will vote for him now.

##Vote: Thomas Jefferson

so thats what I did



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Roosevelt posted right before my first post in that 2 there Reagan, and I missed it, so I commented on it. It wasn't that great though, hence the "Little bit"



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Ok then... Significant evidence... Such as?

And we all probably came here because it is the beginning of the day.

And just because you think 1 way about a person, Bill in this case, doesn't mean everyone will and did think of them the exact same way.

Seriously I really want to see that significant evidence.

And 1 more thing... How is lynching a townie a scummy move? I know what this sounds like, but seriously. We all have our opinions and we all can't be sure to lynch a mafia every time.

I said there was no significant evidence in Eisenhower's favor. =/

I meant what is the significant evidence against Bill that wasn't also against Eienhower.

I meant what is the significant evidence against Bill that wasn't also against Eienhower.

I was talking generally, giving gameplay tips, not speaking for a particular events, I was debating Andrew's strategy of not changing votes.

Holding on to a half-hour tie is pretty damn scummy when they end up on town.

This is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.

In this arguement here, I thought you actually did understand what I meant and that you were just avoiding my question, hence the "half-answers"


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And I am not getting defensive over the vote, but that everyone seems to be using the same arguement as if it's thier own and seems to be using flawed logic, such s kennedy saying I flip-flopped a lot when I really only suspected the 2 people I voted for.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

I never said you flipped-flopped. I said the so-called 'Trio of Evil' spread their votes all over the place Day 2, I never meant you flipped-flopped, I meant Barack, you, and Andy spread the votes around to make yourself seem less involved after your banding together to oust Eisenhower Day 1, and you never voted for each other. You never got close.

[[M] Athena]

John Adams, I have already said your thoughts, and I have already given I conclusion to them. They are here...

Now, with your role changing, I find it just as likely that you would have stayed a townie as you would have become a mafia, because George might not want someone to be so confirmed.

You are quite obviously defending Jefferson, but I am currently unsure if it is because you are both mafians or if you honestly think Jefferson is a townie.

anyone else feel about this post?

Lincoln, what out of that post makes you think that Adams was defending Jefferson? He was merely saying that Jefferson probably didn't have a mafia role the second time around. How is that in any way defense? It's mere speculation.

Also, it says you're quoting yourself in the quote you quoted (lol).Just thought I'd point that out.

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

I'm pretty sure the entire mafia didn't vote for the same person on day 1. So your trio of evil story is hard to accept.

Lincoln can better help his case with me by talking about what he thinks about the other players instead of defending himself.

[[M] Athena]

Also,

I also find it odd that Adams comes up not long after I said that the mafia would probably want to lay low... and to protect someone who I am very very suspicious of, I think I will learn a lot from the lynch of Jefferson. If he is Mafia, I will be looking at Adams, and if he is town then I will find Jefferson is cleared of any current suspision, but not completely cleared as a townie.

Why would you want to protect someone you're suspicious of?

[[M] Apollo]

Oh ok now I see your point.

[[M] Apollo]

I really don't have anything much to say about the other players. FDR seems like a smart person, the other 2 members of the "trio" seem to be fine to me, Kennedy seems like a townie, Adams seems pretty legit, and you and reagan seem to be good too. I don't really have any suspisions, everyone else is pretty inactive.