Mafia XIII: Game thread! - GAME OVER - Hail to the Town!

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

It's interesting that as soon as I bring this up, you guys all together to prove me wrong...

Why, it would be very reasonable to call out on Teddy so he could shut his trap and you wouldn't lose him. That's flawed logic.

Holding on to a half-hour tie is pretty damn scummy when they end up on town. And you did hop on a bandwagon, almost insantly with each other, pulling Teddy with you! And guess what? He was the Mafia leader!

Changing votes is normal and in fact, to some degree, preferable. Some positive logic could easily sway a vote, and not changing when significant evidence in front of you is foolish. I'm not saying there was significant evidence for Eisenhower, but I'm only bringing that up.

[[M] Apollo]

Ok then... Significant evidence... Such as?

And we all probably came here because it is the beginning of the day.

And just because you think 1 way about a person, Bill in this case, doesn't mean everyone will and did think of them the exact same way.

Seriously I really want to see that significant evidence.

And 1 more thing... How is lynching a townie a scummy move? I know what this sounds like, but seriously. We all have our opinions and we all can't be sure to lynch a mafia every time.

[[M] Anise]

I must say, I am becoming less suspicious of Bill as we progress. It is not the things he says that make me change my mind, but the things others do. We now know two of the people that voted for him day one were not town, and it is possible he was used to secure an easy day one lynch. I am not saying he is 100% town though, and I still am keeping my eye on him.

Andrew Jackson and Obama seem like today's top two targets, but we must not only focus on them. While I will be analysing their posts carefully, I will still be reading everybody else's, and with no bias.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Ok then... Significant evidence... Such as?

And we all probably came here because it is the beginning of the day.

And just because you think 1 way about a person, Bill in this case, doesn't mean everyone will and did think of them the exact same way.

Seriously I really want to see that significant evidence.

And 1 more thing... How is lynching a townie a scummy move? I know what this sounds like, but seriously. We all have our opinions and we all can't be sure to lynch a mafia every time.

I said there was no significant evidence in Eisenhower's favor. =/

[[M] Apollo]

I meant what is the significant evidence against Bill that wasn't also against Eienhower.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

I meant what is the significant evidence against Bill that wasn't also against Eienhower.

I was talking generally, giving gameplay tips, not speaking for a particular events, I was debating Andrew's strategy of not changing votes.

[[M] Apollo]

Holding on to a half-hour tie is pretty damn scummy when they end up on town.

This is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.

[[M] Colette]

JFK. I am going to show you why your theory is kinda insane and nearly impossible to be correct. Let me color myself, Abe and Obama red in the past votecounts. I also will color in any of the confirmed colors as well as the mentioned three's unvotes.

Day 1

Dwight D. Eisenhower (5) - Thomas Jefferson, Barack Obama, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt
Bill Clinton (5) - John Adams, Ronald Reagan, FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Jimmy Carter, Taft, George Bush Sr., Richard Nixon, Dwight D. Eisenhower
Theodore Roosevelt (3) - John Adams, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ronald Reagan, Jimmy Carter
Taft (1) - George W. Bush
Barack Obama (1) - Bill Clinton
Abraham Lincoln (0) - Ronald Reagan
Thomas Jefferson (0) - FDR

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Day 2

Bill Clinton (1) - George Bush Sr., Thomas Jefferson,
Thomas Jefferson (2) - FDR, Abraham Lincoln, Barack Obama, Taft, Theodore Roosevelt
Teddy Roosevelt (5) - Ronald Reagan, John Adams, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson, FDR
Nixon (1) - FDR, Theodore Roosevelt, Taft
Ronald Reagan (1) - Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush (1) - Barack Obama
FDR (0) - Thomas Jefferson
Jackson (0) - Reagan
JFK (1) - Bill Clinton
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Now looking at that, you can see that If your three are mafia, 4 mafia members voted for the same person day 1. Then three on one for day two, with one unvoting during the course of the day. That makes no sense to me, which is why I disagree with your logic.

I held on a tie on day 1! Why ever would anyone innocent think about doing that? Because I had no reason to change my vote to Clinton. I thought Ike was quite defensive, jumpy and the Bill was not a good choice to lynch. I think that you should vote for whoever you are most suspicious of, not the last person to say something, nor who everyone else is voting for.

Hence my day 2 vote, which was for Reagan, who I found to be the most likely to be mafia. Now I have relooked at his posts yet again, and I think I was wrong about him, and I'm paranoid so I look into everything and mixed up his play style with scum tactics. So I made a mistake and overthought his post. Nobody is perfect, I admit it.

Now your main argument is the end votes for day 1 with a Tie. Here is a list of people who could have changed their vote and kept Ike alive during the tiebreaker.


Bill Clinton John Adam Andrew Jackson
George W. Bush FDR Ronald Reagan
Barack Obama Abraham Lincoln John F. Kennedy




Nine people! And you choose three of them to attack, when your logic is applicable to even yourself. (I admit that you are a partner/replacement but why couldn't the ("old"/"other") you break the tie? Yeah not the best logic. Now to take apart the original attack post you made. You ask why I didn't change my vote for convinience. I take back what I said earlier. You are slowing become more suspicious to me, saying I should have bandwagoned to save time. 30 minutes is 230 minutes we can use to think. Rushing votes is a bad way to play.

[[M] Kurt - Cool Dad]

Holding on to a half-hour tie is pretty damn scummy when they end up on town.

This is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.

No, I am not, you held on to an half-hour tie and he flipped scum. And as the votes say, you leaped all over the place to make it seem you are not aligned, and that is a very typical Mafia tactic.

[[M] Apollo]

Holding on to a half-hour tie is pretty damn scummy when they end up on town.

This is basically accusing us because we didn't choose Clinton, hardly general.

No, I am not, you held on to an half-hour tie and he flipped scum. And as the votes say, you leaped all over the place to make it seem you are not aligned, and that is a very typical Mafia tactic.

Guess how many time I voted... 2. I voted 2 times, and I never changed. I also only voted for the people that I said that I had suspision for, and these suspisions never really changed. Seriously, are you even looking through the thread or are you making it all up?

[[M] Greg - Hot Dad]

Jefferson was a Self Centered Citizen...


Let me start off by saying how awkward it was that Jimmy Carter was killed on Night 1. I know it wasn't talked about much yesterday but I thought about it and maybe there's a Nexus-like role in play? Ah, well I guess it doesn't matter.

I'd rather kill someone else today, and I'm very suspicious of those of you who's been pushing Jefferson's lynching today. I was already suspicious of Taft and Lincoln, and that's only begun rising now that they've both bandwagoned on Jefferson. Roosevelt also fits that bill and I'm tempted to keep my vote for Roosevelt for now because he's probably the best chance to lynch someone else other than Jefferson, seeing as he has two votes. I'm also tempted to vote Taft, and if someone else is with me on that one, I'm all for it.

Alright, way to contradict yourself on the Two-Man-Bandwagon hate, Captain. Clearly I voted for Jefferson's lynching out of frustration and as you can see, Jefferson wasn't even Town-aligned anyway. I started to go after Jefferson after the role switch, when they stopped caring about the game.

Oh don't get all cookie monster on me, mister. When you voted for Jefferson, he had 3 votes, your fourth vote would be a bandwagon, but you did unvote him before the others, so that definitely makes me less suspicious of you. I'm glad you pointed this out. Jefferson's alignment is irrelevant though, as none of us knew what it was yesterday, and the alignment certainly wasn't scum. Voting for someone just because they don't care about the game is more a sign of a mafia then anything else really, they're such an easy kill aren't they? That's why I'm going to look closely on the ones who voted for Jefferson yesterday. Everyone could excuse their vote for Jefferson yesterday by saying "oh dat jefferson, what a loon! :laugh:" But yeah, as mentioned, Taft gains citizen points in my book right now.

About the roles, I don't think Boko has been using any of the regular names for any of the roles. We know he's not using the same name for Vanilla townies, Jefferson probably was a Survivor, and I'm guessing Roosevelt was a Godfather of some kind. I suppose he could also be a Cult Leader, but I'm going to assume he was a mafia and that there's only one faction for now, it makes things easier. My role is also slightly common in mafia, but has a different name.

I'm going to vote for Lincoln because of his early vote for Jefferson the raving lunatic from yesterday.

##Vote: Abraham Lincoln

[[M] Apollo]

Why would you vote for me because I voted for someone who was acting suspisious and who I did have evidence against. Technically, I was right, and he was trying to clear himself by aligning himself with Bill, as far as I can see.

Also JFK please give me a full responce to the post I just did, not a half answer like you have been giving today.

[[M] Apollo]

Oh, and also, day 2 started at 7:55 AM, and my vote was at 8:24 PM, more than half-way through the day, or when the day was supposed to end. How is this early? Are you also just making this stuff up or are you even reading the thread?

[[M] Walter - Smart Dad]

Alright, let's see what we got here today. A good day yesterday with the lynching of the Evil Leader. Not sure what powers he had but he did ask to be investigated at some point so I'm gonna go with godfather.

Now that we have a dead scum we should look back on his interactions with other players. Some new info may come to light. Look for people he went after, those who defended him, etc.

Jefferson may have been a Survivor, he may have been something else entirely. I have a theory but it's kind of a crackpot theory so I don't know if I'll share it. I think right now it's not as important as other things going on.

I'll post more specifics as I get the time to type it up.

[[M] Apollo]

Seriously people I wouldn't mind if you use good, true evidence on me, but if you are going to lie, then Im gonna be an asshole.