I've deliberately targeted inactives in case I got a bad role we wouldn't be hurt too much.
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Well it works if we lynch you today and leave Gabranth for tomorrow too :p
And kill a townie.
And you get myself reinforced by knowing the result of who I target.
The next night. Considering we lost both our cop and our roleblocker you gotta have SOMEONE.
All right. I still find Seifer a bit suspicious from Day 1. So you want me to target him?
This is all there is to Gabranth.
Day 1 : He voted for Jecht for no reason. He also made some weird list that I don't understand
Day 2 : He voted Orphan for his roleclaim.
And that's it 5 posts in total.
The problem with lying is that you have to remember everything, otherwise your lie is exposed. This could go two ways, we could agree with what you say and vote for Gabranth and discover if he is a Mafia or a Innocent, or we could disagree with you and lynch you for perceived lying. If it turned out that you were telling the truth and we would know that Gabranth was more than likely Mafia. If we voted for Gabranth and he turned up innocent we would know you were lying. However, I don't know if the Town can afford to lose another innocent just to prove if a claim is true or not. Voting patterns doesn't tell me much. Gabranth voted for Jecht night 1 and Jenova voted Kuja. Neither voted on Day 2.
But also Jenova you accused Gilgamesh of being a serial killer at first. If you really did see Gabranth why would you do that?
So, are you willing to vote for Gabranth or not?
I understand the logic 100% for lynching me, but considering I'm actually active and have a power role I see keeping me as more advantageous. Of course I may be biased.
<- Queen Brahne is not amused.
Look Brahne, I know I may seem a bit...seedy.
But I'm a good ol' teddy bear when you get to know me. :bigsmile:
Guys, I can 100% assure that Gabranth will likely flip what I say he will. If you give me that chance I can prove to be a valuable asset. Whattaya say?
Ok as I see it, If we vote Gabranth and he flips innocent we kill Jenova tomorrow. If he flips mafia, Jenova will more than likely be killed off tonight anyway. So what are we arguing about?
Pweaaaase. :3
Is this day 12 or 24 hours long?
Please be 12!
Jenova I am disappoint.
How D:
Such haste doesn't scream innoncence
##Unvote: [M] Judge Gabranth
I will re vote for him if town decides to go with Jenova's plan
Sounds good to me.
If we aren't going with Jenova plan than whats the plan? Lynch Jenova? Look at the inactives? What?
I think we should go with Jenova's plan.
Anyway, I'll be gone for a tad. Don't lynched me while I'm gone! :lol:
Never mind, the computer's free now.
##vote: jenova
either retarded scum or jester
you wouldnt be the first person to claim you used your role to investigate someone and then they flip mafia and you are also mafia having planned it out to cement yourself a good guy in the veiw of others.
And yet again nobody is around to talk :lol:
btw, I just moved into my dorm
It's way too risky to try to start an elaborate plot to axe a fellow Mafian. :/
There are soooooooo many reasons to not believe you Jenova. I could make a list.
Hell, I'm quite aware of the list. Still, you're taking a huge risk. If you lynch me you have yourself a townie gone and lose one of the few power role you have left. I'll be really pissed if you guys lynch me and we all lose because we had no power roles. If you'll humor me just for today I can prove my innocence. Please. You don't even need to gun for Gabranth. Just keep me around and let me prove my worth.
and then have you kill us off at the end? you better come up with hard facts fast.
It's like believing Lotta Hart.
As do you! You've accused me. I don't have to prove I didn't, you have to prove I did! And you have nothing!
I have a role and a night action. Both of which can be very powerful and both are what you have. It's not guaranteed, but that's what makes this game what it is. If you follow me and consider what I have to say you won't be disappointed.
And I'm not DD. DD's hosting!
Or rather, both are more than what you have.
@Hojo what makes you so sure Jenova is lying?
Alright folks, I'm back and it looks like teh greatest Blitzball player to ever live needs to explain himself. First, I want to say that I'm not accusing you of being a serial killer. Second, I think you might be scum, since you're giving away the serial killer is out there and it's most likely Gilg because of his weird posting style. And I do believe that he pointed out that he's simply roleplaying his character in the game, which there is nothing wrong with. Now back to the point here, I think you are scum Jihl, because you know there's a serial killer and you want to pin the blame on an innocent to help thin out town, and Gilgamesh perfectly fits the role, using previous serial killers in past games.
youve said some stupid things, but i will give till tommorow to prove your value.
##unvote: jenova
Yes, Gilgamesh, I did suspect you of being the Serial Killer because you were the only one who posted strangely and there were two night kills. I didn't change my vote on Day 2 because I didn't see any reason to unsuspect you at the time because you continued to post in your strange fashion despite everyone asking you to explain yourself, which you didn't properly do until today. I did notice that after I mentioned that swords were basically knives and knives were associated with serial killers, you stopped talking about swords. Today, is a new day, you are saying much more in a comprehensible way, and although I still have my eye on you, we now have more evidence to look at as well.
We really need to look at what Barthandalus said and who agreed with him. Both he and Utros were Masons and they both voted for Golbez on Night 1 so I assume that Bart chatted this out with the Mason group, but apparently only Ultros was behind him then. Anyway, the first post of substance that he posted was as follows:
He is attempting to make people question their voting of Seifer, who at the time had the most votes. If Seifer was a Townie why would he care if there was a bandwagon against him? Just another Townie getting the lynch, right? Why try to change their minds to another Townie? Also, Seifer hasn't posted at all since Day 1 after being very active. This looks very suspicious to me.
Thank you, Hojo.
Can we get a vote count?
I don't know about Hojo but she actually lied. TWICE.
First with the night 0 thing.
And second when I asked on what night she investigated Gabranth. She said night 2. After she realised her mistake she said that she thought was day 4. But that means the answer to my question would have been night 3.
That's a mistake, not a lie.
It's still not true. I will abstain from voting. Because I find believing you logically impossible.
I completely understand your sentiments. However, they're wrong.
Jenova, you do realise something pretty smurfing great had better happen tonight with you or you are dead tommorow right?
I do realize that.
:lol: Yeah, I'm willing to take that but hey, one can always hope!
So, what do you propose we do?
I don't want to live in this forum anymore.
Why not? Don't I make you happy?
Ya know what? Smurf this! Smurf logic! Smurf this game!
##Vote : Gabranth
I hope we all die and Freya laughs at us.
Well it seems like I've become the scapegoat of the moment. Let's look at some of Jenova's posts to see what we can see.
So you suspected Orphan, claimed that you intended to vote for Orphan but didn't in the end. Your suspicion was based on his obviously bad roleclaim.
And then you turn around and make another super-powered, obviously bad roleclaim? Interesting.
And then today you've decided to go on and target Gilgamesh for.... role-playing. Oh because role-playing is a flimsy disguise? Do I have to remind you of the WWE Mafia in which a character HAD to role-play in order to have a successful game
So then you go on and lalala and argue some more and act like a general brat making very little rational argument about Gilgamesh. And when it becomes pretty obvious that most people think you're full of crap, you flip your script. Suddenly you've decided to target another person (me) because you saw me do something last night? As a watcher?
(Guys at this point something is smurfing up with my browser and I can't pull anymore multi-quotes so bear with me.)
You've already smurfed up one time by stating you've taken three night actions when you would only have been able to commit two, and then laughably back-pedaled. First you say you took no action on Night 1 because you were afraid of killing someone. That is a fairly good response. HOWEVER there have only been two nights. Which wouldn't allow you to take no action, take an action involving Fujin and then take an action involving me.
So how could you have had three opportunities for night actions and savvily abstained from the first? Oh, whoops you forgot. You actually never abstained from your night action, you merely forgot that there had only been two nights! So... why make up a reason for abstention? Maybe because the other actions are made up too? My guess is yes.
Let's entertain the idea that you actually do have this role. Why watch me? Because I'm inactive, you say? Admittedly I've made fewer posts than many (Zeromus and Brahne come to mind) but I have tried to be a bit more thoughtful in my posting. Why not target Kefka? Who doesn't seem to have made a post since day 1?
Because you're trying to pin Orphan's death on someone. Me, Brahne and Fujin voted for an Orphan lynch yesterday and then he mysteriously dies the next night. You can't target Brahne. She's too active, no one would follow that. So you have me and Fujin, both with he same relative activity. So you claim to have taken some type of action involving both of us.
A weak argument always pulls the most obvious evidence, so you pull and mention the two people who voted Orphan.
That absolutely REEKS of a bad scum set up.
Let's continue. Say I could tell you guys for sure that I know Jenova is Mafia? Or Fujin? Or Kefka? Would you believe that?
Jenova smells like scum to me. Belittling roleclaims then making one herself, going after Gilgamesh with no evidence and then when the tide obviously will not turn on one scapegoat, she picks out another?
I'm not gonna roleclaim. That's stupid. I am gonna say that Jenova is scum to the core, based on her actions so far.
##vote: Jenova
PS: DD is a badass mother smurfer.
After a post like that Gabranth your inactive is forgiven! Jenova care to post a rebuttal :bigsmile:
Took you long enough. Except you made a mistake: My role isn't necessarilly investigative. I chose a random guy and got a random result.
And you've mentioned NOTHING new. So naturally, you incriminate me through elementary suspicion fuel. Of course, it's in your best interest! So you finally thought you'd defend yourself. Or say much of ANYTHING. Puh-leeze.
It's all to convenient to JUST now post.
Yep.
Look at these two things right in a row. A power role AND a townie. All tied up, huh.
Are you kidding me? You're going to let him tell you who he'll target? What if he and Seifer are in cahootery?
And I can 100% guarantee that Jenova will flip scum. ;D
You have a hunch, I have a roleclaim. Your hunch is wrong. My roleclaim is right. It's really an argument of abstarct vs. concrete. And I'm 100% real.
I never said your role was investigative. I said you took actions involving specific players. That's all.
Also in your best interest to get me lynched, isn't it lover? :kiss:
And where were you all day yesterday? And the day before? Pretty convenient for you to become a major player all of a sudden, for no reason other than to start randomly targeting players with little justification besides a bogus roleclaim.
Hey...why don't you roleclaim Gabranth?
But I won't. You will, however.
I was in the double digits the entire time, btw.
I have several dozen posts of you flip-flopping around, confusing your story several times and randomly attacking other posters with zero or little justification. I'd call that evidence.
Mostly because I think roleclaiming is stupid and befuddles the game. It just makes me crazy. Also makes me a bigger target.
But it's also the only way to find out the truth.
And you have about posts consisting of conveniently-timed justifications and blames. At least mine stirred discussion.
And if you have the power to do something, roleclaiming is just as valid to get stuff done.
That's not true. I could claim to be anything. I could claim to be the Mafia Godfather and actually be a vanilla townie.
Well, I'm probably dead no matter what but I'm a Bus Driver. My role works by switching two characters. Last night I targeted Jihl Nabaat and Orphan, so in a way I am responsible for Orphan's death. The first night I targeted Kefka and Jecht and nothing happened.
Roleclaiming within the first couple days is just plain awful playing, or doing it just for tits and giggles. I remember seeing this in past games, where someone would make a stupid roleclaim, and many get down on their necks crying mafia when it turns out they're town, and its also true the other way around, where mafia would scream Bomb or Jester! to stop getting votes. We don't need any of that ccrazy trout here.
CONVENIENCE! :rolleyes: And you said my roleclaim was bulltrout.
And why did you do those two swaps?
Whatever you say there, chief.
And now you're not even trying. :lol:
Yes it's too convenient alright. Why Orphan and Jihl?
And why change Kefka for Jecht? Kefka only spoke once. Why protect him?
Same reason you've had three night actions in two days, I guess. ;) The first night was for lulz. The next night was because Jihl seems to be on the level and posts enough to potentially be a target.
Ok. So you're doing it for the lulz. Okaaaaay.
Why would you switch Orphan if you knew it would make you look suspicious? :pQuote:
Because you're trying to pin Orphan's death on someone. Me, Brahne and Fujin voted for an Orphan lynch yesterday and then he mysteriously dies the next night. You can't target Brahne. She's too active, no one would follow that. So you have me and Fujin, both with he same relative activity. So you claim to have taken some type of action involving both of us.
Gabranth, your arguments are all-too-convenient in response to mine. I call bull. Even though I already knew that!
Okay you totally got me. I'm actually the Godfather.
And Jenova is a goon.
Lynch me tonight, lynch Jenova tomorrow. Or reverse it, whichever. We're it for the Mafia as far as I know.
Are you lying or are you lying? :lol:
Please answer my question.
I'll do y'all one better. Spare me tonight, kill Jenova, and I'll kill a person of the town's choosing for my night action because you still have another killing faction out there.
I did, Brahne? What was your question again?
And you're axing a power role? Sounds like someone's backed into a corner.
Come on, Jenova. Did you really think you could betray my family and fail?
I mean win xD
Seriously. No matter what you do you need to kill Jenova. Kill me now or later, either way. But I will give you results.
What, did I have a debt to you or something? :lol:
Really? If I'm mafia why wouldn't they just let me do the night kill? :I
My suggestion is to kill Gabranth and he he flips Mafia Godfather, then we kill Jenova. That way its a win win. If he is just normal mafia then we leave Jenova and if he flips innocent, we kill Jenova. Its a basically win win situation.
Now Jenova & Gabranth look suspicious what the smurf :lol:
Gabranth,
Your efforts to incriminate me are laughable, the efforts of someone trapped in a corner. :lol:
Gabranth is a man resigned to his fate and trying to get whoever the hell he can with him. :rolleyes:
Oh my god guys, he admitted to being Godfather, why would you believe anything he says?
Then why haven't the rest of the mafians voted for her?
I mean kill the traitor and rid yourself of suspicion.
BEST MAFIA EVAH!!!
Thanks.
How much time left?
Also votecount.
About nineteen hours.
wut
No.
That's waaaaaaay too long.
Thanks, hun.
Love ya, DD~
Ok since the last 3 pages I must do this.
##Unvote: Queen Brahne
##Vote: Judge Gabranth
I have a thought. Jenova, do your action on me, I'm pretty much a vanilla now, so unless it is a killing action do it on me and lets see what happens
But Hojo we know your identity. It's better to do it on someone else. Though Jenova is going to get killed anyway.
Everybody get me on the speedlynch if you will. Or kill Jenova and I assure you I will use my night action to make a town-elected kill.
I am the Godfather. Jenova is a goon, maybe a Usurper since she flipped on me.
One of them is a Jester!!!
I'm not! Oh my god I'm not! You don't even know if I'm lying yet! :lol:
Gabranth if you're really a town role you shouldn't be doing this, as it's not good for the town.
He's not. Oh he's not. I had my doubt, but there is no way in hell he is now! :lol:
Judgie, don't staaaaaay.
You take my breath away.
Judgie, don't staaaaaay.
You take our breath away.~
I wish I were a double voter.
Who would you double-vote for :O
You and Gabby obviously. :pissed:
But...but why? I was right! D:
How were you right? Gabranth is not lynched yet. We don't know what he is.
Screw it this is annoying me
##Vote: [M] Judge Gabranth
Please tell me I have some time left.
Loads, unless it's a majority. If it's a majority then somebody else tell me because tonight I will be playing the role of a lazy host.
You have 19 hours.
Come on, we need 8 votes! :excited:
I believe it's something like this.
Jihl Nabaat (1) - Jecht
Gabranth (4) - Queen Brahne, Gilgamesh, Zeromus, Jenova
Jenova (1) - Gabranth
4 More! Let's end this day!
I don't wanna be asleep for most of it!
There's no way I'm changing my vote. You're just trying to force a speedlynch.
I am. I don't wanna go to sleep getting a surprise when I wake up!
So I am on page 7/12 (50ppp) and I have to say this so far:
Golbez was lynched too easily. I really wanted him to post, defend himself, and vote, but that apparently did not happen. Also, real life was throwing me a curveball and I could not return to post in the last minutes to reflect my thoughts on poor Golbez's easy lynch. Even in the last hour, there was no big push to save him, like would happen if he were mafia, and I and everyone who voted for him sucks for going along with it. I am going to suggest the only scum in the voting group was Bart since the pile on was done early and nothing done for the rest of the day. And please do not accuse me of adding my vote at the end to seal the deal, I totally voted Golbez before everyone and then a mod thought my joke vote for Hojo was real. I wanted to re-assert I stood by my (bad) initial vote. Anways, getting both me and Rai/Fu-jin are fair takes if that is the route we go to allay suspicions.
Also, Jenova has totally lost it by the end of this page. Flipping out this hard by talking to Gilgamesh is pretty sad, and Jenova seems to be trying to dig some dirt up on Gilgamesh and Zeromus. I think this is a case of trying too hard.
LOL @ people thinking I've officially gone insane.
To be honest I want to see some of the inactives weigh in or at least see playings who were active earlier in the game actually say something like say Seifer & Sephiroth
Done with page 8. Thoughts:
What the smurf Jenova? I think someone has not gotten their story straight. It is so riddled with contradictions that it sinks.
##VOTE: Jenova
And with this I have other things to do for the time being. I will read and talk more before the day is over.
That vote is subject to change, so don't get your panties in a twist.
Necron. :colbert:
Wow, I'm inactive for a little while and come back to like, 300 posts to read. This may take me a little while, but it seems like some crazy stuff has gone down.
##vote : jenova.
Gabby is the jester.... or wait.... is it Jenova? Gabby said we HAD to lynch Jenova.....
one of them is gonna kill me.
##unvote: jen
##vote: gabranth.
if you are mafia, jenova is jester
Jihl Nabaat (1) - Jecht
Gabranth (5) - Queen Brahne, Gilgamesh, Zeromus, Jenova, Hojo
Jenova (2) - Gabranth, Necron
I should get paid for this.
I'm not the jesterrrr~.
:( No, I'm not.
If Gabranth flips mafia then we all have to ask if Jenova is the Jester how did she/he know he was mafia?
Seriously, if I wanted to axe myself surely I wouldn't delay it by a day by trying to axe someone else first!
And fyi I don't believe he has simply picked Gabranth at random. While I don't believe Jenova's chosen one claim I think he does have some sort of power role
I chose him because he was relatively inactive.
I just realized, if Jenova is a usurper, she wins when we kill Gabranth.
Doesn't the Mafia have to survive as well, though?
Mafia has to survive I believe
If the Usurper is like how you say they are, they'd just be another Lyncher.
"The wording of the Usurper aspect of the Win Condition can vary somewhat. Some mods will simply require the Godfather to die before the end of the game, regardless of whether the Usurper is alive."
Ok.
Necron, Gabranth admitted he was scum! :lol:
Okay, so at the end of page 10:
Brahne refuses to vote. THEN WE HAVE NOTHING TO JUDGE YOU BY YOU JERK. VOTE. Very suspicious.
Why press for a roleclaim from Gabranth and then absolutely call it crap, Brahne and Jenova?
Good job, Gabranth, on catching the whole 3 actions 2 night dealie I too am fed up with.
Holy trout, how could Gabranth know Orphan was going to die at night? This is ridiculous that you try to make an argument over it, Brahne.
CURRENTLY AT THE END OF PAGE 10 I KNOW NOTHING
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WELL
That would explain why Jenova can say he knew Gabranth was scum. Kill them both?
Okay, so I've read through most of the posts and I'm pretty much just WTF!? about it all. I'd like for Jenova to make her role more clear, to hopefully be able to understand that aspect. If you could just give a rundown of what powers you have and when you used them that would be a big help.
Also, where do people stand on Gabranth's claim of being a Godfather? I don't understand why he ditched the role-claim of Busdriver so quickly, because he wasn't under a great deal of pressure, especially because Jenova's roleclaim was so suspicious and confusing. To me it seems like he could be a potential Jester, but if that is the case then Jenova's roleclaim can't be true.
Every night I can use a random night action on someone I deem appropriate. I then discover both what power I got and what happened as a result. Night 2 I discovered Gabranth was at Orphan's house Night 2. He was the non-Mafia casualty this morning.
Therefore, I deduce he is likely the one who killed Orphan.
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So why kill Gabranth before Jenova? If people are worried about an Usurper win, we string up Jenova first. And Jester? Well, screw Jesters, you cannot do crap about them. They smurf up trout and unless the game actually ended when he died, I do not give a crap.