That's what Karifean claimed, anyway. Identities have pre-assigned abilities, but alignments are not tied to an identity. So theoretically, every ability can be either human or witch-aligned, though honestly, I don't think that works if someone has an ability that is usually designed to help town, like finding out a person's alignment (if we have that), since Witches already know who's who. Unless they can't communicate with each other.
If we go through that though, we only see one Written ability which points to Carny as a witch as it makes his truth a lie.
Considering everyone has a Night skill and we only saw a description of three actions (I think), I don't it's impossible that there's more than one at this point.
So far the top of my list is still Carny as a witch.
Second I have Laddy. He is jumping in the thread, but not really going for information. It is suspicious.
So far Laddy hasn't posted day two. He had if I remember correctly 3 posts in day one, and never gave a vote day one. That's what I am going on there for him.
Carny... The three Writers is what I think is a lie. It just gives no credibility to the write ups, and really is a little much.
Assuming Carny's statement is true, Karifean did say that the roles are not tied to alignments. So it would be weird if everyone who could affect the narrative would be witches. Moreover, it would be highly peculiar for a witch not to do a night kill because that is always advantageous. Then there is the fact that there is my truth. Also, consider that Carny's truth says affect the narrative not rewriting it, though we know one ability IS rewrite.
Now consider the write up, if we can believe it, the man with the sword sounded like he was intimidating someone but not only that but his motivation was to make sure nothing happened. That sounds like a mass ability.
I agree with Pained. We cant out someone and someone can't role claim without fear of them "activating". Meaning we have to be careful because ability and identities are tied together. But some of these are vague enough that if we're careful we can still have a fruitful discussion.
That being said, I have a strong suspicion that the ability was affecting everyone and a general protection. The narrative indicates that and confirms my own sources.
Also it is foolish to think all abilities are night abilities. Given the whole "note" incident, it would seem people can do stuff during the day too.
Assuming Carny's truth is right, we know there is one rewrite ability but the other abilities could possibly be to omit something or prevent a rewrite? So maybe we're just missing information.
Two truths are also still unrevealed
Imma be honest here, I'm having a hard time trusting the Village Idiot truth. Every other role we have seen presented, such as Cynic, Family Alchemist, and Pained I believe are actual mafia roles but with their actual title changed to suit the narrative. Village Idiot is the typical name and doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the narrative.
I could be wrong since I don't have a ton of info on mafia, but that's my impression
For many of these rolls I was wondering too. I had no clue what Pained, and Cynic was. If you are wondering Pumkin check out the Wiki. It will tell you rolls powers and all the rest. Also be sure to check out handicap rolls like the drunk, village idiot etc.
That's what I mean is that it seems odd, to me personally, that other roles are adjusted to fit the narrative of this game based on this series in particular, but that one is not.
I am also almost positive that there is more than one witch, so I have a hard time with TSoL's truth as well. It seems to contradict a lot of the other presented information.
Again, I have no proof though and the defense is always "Well that's what my red statement said" but those are my two cents~
Pumpkin does raise an interesting point, though. All of the roles revealed in the purple statements aside from the village idiot have appropriately flavor-text names (people have remarked that the Cynic is usually called a Traitor in Mafia), so it wouldn't really make sense not to change the Village Idiot into something else. I don't know a lot about Umineko, but our setting is definitely not a village.
The wording is also vague as hell, but I may be reading too much into it now that I'm suspicious of the rule.
I've only played the first 4 episodes of Umineko Naku Koro Ni, but I immediately felt Village idiot didn't fit. But again, I haven't played the Higurashi series yet, nor have I played the last 4 Umineko episodes.
But seeing how the others are all changed to suit the narrative, it keeps standing out to me as something that just doesn't FIT. Like Karifean put all of this work in to customizing the typical mafia roles to suit the narrative and then just threw in village idiot? Could be. Or it could be someone looked at common mafia roles and threw it in because it's common and some probably wouldn't have a hard time believing it
MAN I SOUND PARANOID NOW
I will say that I think Carny's truth is still by far the least trustworthy, I will also say that Fynn's reveal of his truth was very on time.
The fact most of us me included felt forced to reveal our truths as I knew mine would point at me, yet felt fingers would point if I didn't. Also makes me think Carny who opened it with a unbelievable one in my opinion as if you count there is only one writer is a witch and wanted to know what he had to deal with. Just my opinion though.
IF
BIG IF
Two characters I think are in play are in play, there are at least 2 with a narrative changing ability. But again, that doesn't mean he couldn't have changed it to 3 as a lie, or he could be a witch and just actually told the truth. But since I'm almost certain that at least one narrative altering ability is in play and I suspect a second one is, 3 doesn't seem so farfetched
Of course it was on time - I revealed it precisely because at that moment we could all have benefited from it. The note appeared in the narrative, so it felt like a good moment to share that I probably know what the note is about.
You know, I was thinking of posting this before but thought it was stupid, but I guess here goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
What if Karifean counts as a player? He even used his character as an example first - he has an identity and an ability, and later even drove this point further home by revealing his red truth. And since he's the one writing the write-ups, wouldn't that possibly make him one of the three characters able to influence the write-ups?
I still don't believe it's 3. It just seems like to much. Go through the lists and you will see one Write ability, and one on Karifean's player. Three is just to many for me to think about being true.
Then yeah that would make 3 with the ability to change the narrative. But again, that's assuming the 2 I think are in play are actually in play and assuming Karifean counts as a character himself
That's what I thought until I saw the night write-up. There was way too little going on, imo. Therefore, I do believe it's possible that there are more than one person influencing the write-ups, even three.
The fact you are needing to stretch to the host is playing, yet knows who everyone is and their power to make it fit makes me think you are either protecting Carny, or Fynn and I believe Pumkin is a witch.
##Vote: Pumkin.
Oop, there we go. It begins.
I'm protecting them because I don't believe that they're witches :p
I've said my piece and offered the arguments for why I believe that FFNut and TSoL are the witches, so you can either take it or leave it~
She is covering and making giant stretches to get there. She is a witch.
Yep. My truth has been consistent with other truths, I've not jumped on any lynching bandwagons, I've been as open as I can with the exception of not revealing who I think has certain roles to avoid the whole Pained situation, I've been clear in my statements that it's only theories and NOT certainties, offered evidence as to why I feel the way I do, considered alternate points-of-view, and been open to discussion.
You've offered a suspish purple statement, adamantly and vehemently accused Carny of being a witch with no basis other than "3 seems like a lot tho" and made an incredible effort to focus on the pained role over and over again and are now making VERY certain statements about my being a witch when I accuse you
ALL SEEMS LEGIT
You seem pretty convinced, Nutty, even though I was the one that made the assumption that Karifean might count as one of the writers? I also wasn't stretching it or pushing for it, simply throwing it out there so that we can all think about it, taking any possibility into account.
However you look at it, it's kind of a flimsy reason to jump on someone. Especially Pumpkin, who didn't even put the idea forward.
You've also refused to think of TSoL as a witch despite how odd and out of place and contradictory his purple statement was but yet nit-pick the heck out of Carny's purple statement and really focus on the pained statement, which means you obviously place stock in those purple statements. And yet you've barely, if at all considered TSoL's to be worthy of scrutiny
I am convinced she is working with Carny yes. I wouldn't have voted if not. My night role basically confirmed she was up to no good, then see her stretch to point a finger confirmed my suspicions. I think Pumkin is a Witch.
Yeah, that makes sense in a kinda 'aha!' sort of way. That would bring that number up to three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Anyway, I'm sorry if my looking at the writeups is suspicious. No matter how they are altered, if we completely ignore them we'll lose a valuable source of information.
If the mass-roleblock theory is true, that also means any ability that could've altered the roleblock is also null and void. If that is the case, then the Night One writeup is completely accurate, if we believe the mass-roleblock theory. If you don't, then nothing the writeup said can be taken for granted.
Going into Day Two, there's a few things I'm suspicious of. I agree with Pumpkin about Nutty's 'village idiot' statement. It seems highly out of flavour. Still suspicious of TSoL and his purple statement's abruptness. Not sure where I stand on Fynn. Or Scruff for that matter.
I really want Laddy to talk more, as he's contributed the least out of all of us, not counting Quin. Even people who have posted a low amount as managed to contribute to discussion like TSoL: Laddy's posts have been rather thin.
And what night role would that be?
A bit off-topic right now, but when you consider that some rewriting powers might have to do with Night-time write-ups, while others deal with halftime write-ups, that kind of makes three people with rewriting powers even more plausible.
Stop this 'oooooh I've got you now because of my night role!'Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
What did she do, Nutty?
I'd like to know what that night role is as well.
I reeeeeaaaally want to hear this because I've been making sure to mention certain things in my posts that I can quote and reference to back up my own role if need be
I just know she was out and about. She went to visit who I think may be Fynn.
Someone else was there too that makes me think protector/or doctor. I think Pumkin was giving the kill order.
Who do you think I am? Use the ability name, just in case ;)
So are you saying - in the most roundabout way possible - that you can track people?Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
Aiight let's do this. *pulls out earrings*
My character is Lambdadelta, whom I was super excited to get. If you'll notice, her ability is "sweeten". What does sweeten do, you ask? Why, it changes a target's name to candy in a write up.
If you'll note, since the beginning I've been backing up Carny's statement BECAUSE I had a narrative altering ability, which at least somewhat backs up his statement. That's also why I said that IF the two roles are in play that I think, the Rewrite and my own Sweeten ability, Carny's is not so far-fetched.
You'll also note how I mentioned I think I know who the girl munching on candy was? Because I think it was me. I TRIED to use my sweeten ability on TSoL which, for some reason, didn't do anything. Either there was a block, or TSoL was not involved in the narrative. Thus the comment about not wanting to leave the room ANYMORE
Go back through my posts and it's all consistent with what I've been saying the whole game.
Your turn to provide some evidence, FFNut
Without giving away my identity yes. I can watch someone.
I also specifically said that a narrative rewrite might not be a witch ability such as changing a targets name with a keyword.
Also at this point, unless he can reasonably prove otherwise, I'm hedging my bets on FFNut being a witch
##Vote: FFNut
Does Pumpkin's explanation make sense in light of your revelations?
I had thought Sweeten could be a role that could rewrite. Like 'sweetening up' a story or whatever. Pumpkin's story seems consistent with what she's written. Of course, we'd only get final proof when we see an example of the ability in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
Are you literally hanging your entire argument on:Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
1) Pumpkin seems to defend Carny
2) Pumpkin tried to do something in the night
I mean, there is no Vanilla in this game. Someone doing something in the night is almost expected. :p
That's a really flimsy argument, Nutty.
I realize that role reveal isn't the smartest move but DANG IT IF I'M GOING DOWN I'M TAKING THE WITCHES DOWN WITH ME
Because changing someone's name to candy is so threatening to a witch's cause :p
Hey, don't you dare underestimate the power of sweets :stare:
Yeah I was about to say, now that you're a known entity, the witches might leave you be with your threatening power of candy.
If she was the girl with the gummy bears she got up but decided not to do anything. No kill last night shows a protection to me. She was the hit man last night I think.
Anyway:
Now that we know Nutty has 'some form of' watching role, there's a few candidates for his identity and ability name. But I'm keeping quiet. The whole Pained thing and all.
Good gravy you guys
Or all the witches and the cynic were using their other power
Nutty' trying to pull a coup de gravyQuote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
By you guys I mean FFNut and his flimsy arguments and the rest of you INSULTING THE POWER OF CANDY
You'll also notice an adult walking through the halls who seemed happy to see the man with the erect sword. :jokey:Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
I mean, as far we know, there were at least two people who tried to do something but couldn't. As well as that creepy person who dared anyone to approach.
Seriously, look how he acted when I raised suspicions about him. I've at least been able to somewhat back up my claims, but he has done a poor job of backing up his or defending himself. Really now
Assuming we can trust Pumpkin's roleclaim, that means the killer is either the the adult happy to see the sword man, or the creepy daring person.
How'd you get that one? All I know is that my role didn't go through either from a block or because TSoL didn't do nuffin in the narrative
That sounded more accusatory than I meant it to, btw. I really just don't fully understand
There's a possibility the "killer" didn't appear in the narrative because of the rewriting character
And again, it's possible no one attempted to kill anyone
I'm assuming a killer tried to do kill someone. Of course, they could choose not to kill, but I find that unlikely. If the narrative is accurate, that means the killer would've been mentioned at some point in the narrative.
You're candy girl, who tried to sweeten the pot. If we believe you, then you're not the killer.
Intimidating Sword Guy used a mass-roleblock. He can't be the killer.
The adult walking in the halls? Not sure what he did. He could've been the killer until he got blocked.
The creepy person in the room? Sounds dangerous, that's for sure.
Of course, this all assumes that a Town roleblocker can block night kills like a doctor can. I have literally no experience with Town blockers. This is just one theory, and to be honest it does assume quite a lot. I mean, people can not be the killer, but still be witch-aligned, for example.
And Pumpkin could easily be Pained and now she triggered it and she's out to get everyone. Pained can roleclaim to activate themselves.
I have an ability that allows me to see what abilities are performed on others. From that list, I can ask for one to be explained. I targeted Fynn. He had Intimidate and Stealth. I asked about the former. I was told it can be used to one shot prevent from a nightlife or use regularly a protect one person like a doctor. This is why when Fynn denied a mass protect ability I found it weird, because from the narrative and what I got that's exactly what happened. Plus the rest of Fynn's argument relies on highly conditional stuff that seemed improbable and too much conjecture. Like no nightkill would be weird.
I will reiterate that I copied and pasted my statement from Karifean.
Every witch also has an avility that is not killing
Yeah that would make my theory of TSoL being a witch wrong because guy in the hall would have been called candy. Unless interference in some way. I guess if it was a mass role-block mine wouldn't have had effect either and TSoL would have remained candyless
But then again I also believe Nutty to be a witch and he could have been the one to execute the action instead of TSoL. They do have their own abilities to use that they can't use if they kill, so they might have decided to just have him do nothing or use his other ability
Wait why would Fynn have two abilities from two different characters?
And of course if I'm wrong on the mass-roleblock then the entire thing falls apart as the rewriting roles get to have some fun.
But if no mass-roleblock went through, then how did no-one die? Again, possible that the witches did nothing. Or one re-write acted like a janitor, but even then I'm sure Karifean would indicate that 'someone' died, as the barest minimum for a kill writeup.
I don't know. I've said what I feel about the writeup, and I don't think we're going to make any headway with it unless someone roleclaims.
For now though:
##Vote: FFNut
For the tunnelling of Mr. Carny (who I believe is likely to be Town) despite other possible points of suspicion. The dodgy sounding Purple Statement and accusing Pumpkin without much cause.
I said he was targeted by two abilities. I can see what people are targeted with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
Stealth coincides with the person hiding in the shadows.
Ohhh okay I thought you said he HAD those two abilities, my bad
Could you explain? I'm fairly stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
So you can see what abilities are performed on others? So are you saying Fynn was intimidated and stealthed?
Woah
Also, Pumpkin how do we not know you're a Pained. If you are Pained then your roleclaim just triggered it.
Kinda have it explained now. Thanks!
I'm curious what Stealth does, to be honest. It sounds quite vague.
Also I'm at work :/
I mean, I wasn't told I was pained. I imagine I'd get a message or something. Could be Karifean hasn't read my roleclaim and hasn't informed me yet if that's the case
So basically if I wasn't told at the beginning then I know about as much as you do when it comes to that!
If Pumpkin is the Pained, I'm not sure she would trigger it voluntarily. Winning as a Serial Killer is tough, as you've got to play just well enough to not get lynched from suspicion, but not too well so you're not nightkilled. And this is literally her first game. That's a baptism of fire.
Of course, she might not be told she is the Pained. But that sounds kinda dickish to have that hidden from you.
Karifean, will a role claim trigger a Pained? Can they voluntarily trigger it?
Ask the source!
It absolutely will, and they absolutely can.
Edit: Tfw you regret making a post 2 seconds after making it, but you can't take it back. Oh well. That happened.
So they will be informed of their pain status, I imagine?
A Pained if they knew, oils never admit to it because their goal becomes to kill all others. So simply saying you're not a Pained is not enough. A Pained would simply say such in order to survive.
Yes, Fynn was targeted by two abilities last night.
I also think the person in the shadows was the same as using Stealth.
If Pumpkin knew she was Pained in her Role PM, I find it unlikely she would do make herself a Pained.
If Pumpkin had that hidden from her, well, then, I guess anyone could be a Pained at this point.
Well clearly I would say that and I can't prove otherwise!Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
So if I get voted off the island then so be it. I get it, no one wants to be serial killed and I'm the only one who has role claimed.
Just at least think it over about what I said about TSoL and Nutty. There is more than one witch. Everything but TSoL's statement indicates as much and I know Karifean wouldn't be so careless as to leave a mistake like that. Nutty's statement is also suspish and he's not defended himself well. They also have both jumped on me when I've raised suspicions and now are trying to make me look like the pained which, fair enough, I can't disprove with anything other than my word and its hard to trust anyone is these game. I just hope you've all seen that I've been open and honest and at least take my arguments in to consideration because I am fairly sure of who I think the witches are.
If there are more than 2 witches then I don't know about it and I have no idea who the cynic could be
Not necessarily, she role claims and gains our trust. Goes after the witch and cynic then if a few humans die at the same time then more advantageous for her. She establishes trust then slowly kills others off.
There is no reason to reveal your character and ability name when Pained is in play. I did my reveal without saying who I was or the name of my ability.
Except that this has obviously put a big target on my back here. If I'm not lynched I'll probably be night killed (unless it suits the witch narrative to call me pained~) and I'm just not an experienced enough player to pull that off. Sure, I could try it, but I'm not stupid enough to think I'd be successful
Pumpkin, I jumped on you after you jumped on me. So there's that. And my arguments make sense given the nature of Pained. If anyone role claimed like you I would be all over that. Also I wasn't the only one who showed a wariness of role claiming regarding Pained. Also, I haven't voted for you merely pointing out some issues with what you said just like you feel like you're doing.
Fair enough
I think that if Pumpkin knew she was Pained, she wouldn't voluntarily trigger it, as Formy said, since deciding to be against everyone this early in the game would be super risky.
I can also say that, whoever targeted me did not roleblock me because I carried out my night action without a hitch.
##vote: FFNut, because it makes the most sense at this point
Don't think you're off the hook yet, Bobby :p
I hate you Europeans since the kitchen is about to open. :P
I think it is naive to think a Pained wouldn't do that.
It's only naïve if you think the person you think is Pained cannot plan at all.
Now I wonder if two people got to know separate things about me, or if one player's action canceled the other out...
I understand the 'gaining our trust' mechanic but Pumpkin was fairly low down at least my suspicion list so to take a risky gambit like that would've been foolish to say the least.
Especially since I really think it isn't reasonable to take such a risk this early in the game
It's why I find it hard to believe Mr. Carny is a witch, after making several unforced errors at the very start of the day. There was literally no reason for him to stick his neck out in the most ungainful fashion.
I also find Pumpkin to be registering lower down my list because her purple statement was the first to mention a cynic, and is backed up by two other statements. Even if one of those statements is a lie, the other corroborates it.
I have class soon but let's try and organize our suspicions a bit. These are the suspicions that I seem to recall have been raised. Feel free to correct me if I remember wrong
Pumpkin:
-Revealed role which could mean she's pained and go on a serial killing spree
-Deductions may have been stretched
-May have tried to perform a night kill
FFNut:
-Reacted very poorly to being put under suspicion
-Sketchy defensive for himself and his role
-Selective focus on purple statements
-Purple statement that doesn't seem to suit the narrative
Fynn:
-Conveniently timed purple statement that adds to a previously mentioned statement
Formy:
-Staunch defense of Mr. Carny
Scruffington:
-Refusal to state purple statement
Laddy:
-A lot of time absent
TSoL:
-A purple statement that seems to contradict other parts of the game narrative
-Weird phrasing in the purple statement
Quin:
-MIA
Mr. Carny:
-Sticking his neck out as a sacrifice
-Aggressive play
Just because it is Pumpkin doesn't mean she couldn't be playing us all. I mean she's the last person you'd think to do it so what better cover is there?
Also, the style of my statement isn't weird since I copied and pasted it from Karifean. So there's that.
Urgh why is it busy today!?
In the same vein, just because you say you cut and paste your statement doesn't mean you're telling the truth. I really wish people would stop implying I can't play the game because I can't see past friendships. That's the second time that's happened now and it is more than a little insulting.
To be honest, I would be far more suspicious of Pumpkin if she roleclaimed unprovoked. Nutty did vote for her saying she did something, so her claiming in defence makes sense.
Of course, that's also the perfect opportunity to claim safely and trigger yourself. But then, I still don't think someone would want to become a SK unless they absolutely must. At this point, we're just getting circular arguments.
To be fair, Karifean did use "the purple" when revealing his truth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karifean
Very true and a good observation. It could be he used 'the purple' because by that point it was the end of the day and everyone knew what he meant. I'd suspect in a Role PM at the very start of the first Day for him to use full terminology to avoid confusion, but who knows. That certainly brings into doubt suspicion over his Role PM.
I'd also like to point out that that statement pretty much confirms that Karifean views himself as a player
Oh my God Karifean's a witch. Burn him!
Maybe not, but he may just be one of the players who can influence the wite-ups
(i'd also like to point out how different scruff's playstyle is this time around though that may not mean anything just saying)
https://i.imgur.com/lp2xh97.png
Of course I am a witch. I am the Witch of Theatergoing, didn't you know?
Do we break the game if we burn Karifean the witch? Do we enter into an alternate reality?
I just would like to come clean about something. Pumkin has seen that Bobby and I have been Mognnetting each other and this is her whole base on both of us. I am going to Montreal in July and asked if he and his boyfriend wanted to meet up for dinner while I am there which they accepted. So voting off Pumkins theory is a vote for me meeting Bobby for Dinner. Just tossing that out there.
Which is also why I reacted the way I did too. Just annoyed more than anything that something outside the thread was used to lynch me and toss Bobby under the bus too. I have no doubt she is pained too with a role claim nailing two targets.
I've watched some mognets as well, but can we please not bring that into the table? It ruins the immersion of the game. Not once did Pumpkin mention those mognet messages so you really didn't have to bring it up
It was brought to me. It is why I didn't bring it up too, but it is funny that it is Bobby and I that are witches, and she brought up to Karifean that we were mognetting each other.
Where did she bring that up!
I had that information Mognetted to me. That is the base of her searches.
I found out two days ago and kept it out BTW. However it is odd those are her claims, and she is leading a lynch mob on it.
Even if it was mognetted, it should not be brought up here because it casts everything in a different light and I'm sure not in a way Karifean intended
Sorry if you took my point the wrong way Formy it was more to Fynn and just everyone's lack of worry regarding a Pained. You can't say if someone was a Pained they lay low and then say that Pumpkin was laying low so she isn't. Seemed weird to me.
Rush is over.
#worstemployeeever
You shouldn't have brought it up, but I don't think there's any harm done. People talk to each other outside the game, how scandelous. Hell, me and Mr.Carny live together. I think we can trust another to play the game fairly.
I will say though that I see no evidence of Pumpkin having any knowledge of these messages, so it is very strange you bring it up in the first place.
Pumpkin didn't use the mognetting as reasoning for her targetting you - she used actual arguments based on what you're saying within the thread to point out flaws in your reasoning and behavior. If anything, you bringing the mognets up here proves more than anything that you don't have a clear conscience, since it looks like you're trying to fall back on something that shouldn't even be a part of the game in order to justify Pumpkin opting to vote for you.
I know for a fact that Pumpkin isn't the Pained because I got the information on who the Pained is through my night skill. Of course I can't reveal who they are for obvious reasons, but I also find it interesting how TSoL keeps pushing that idea even though it's based on pretty flimsy reasoning. In light of what Nutty revealed, I'd say that;s all pretty damning.
There might be a loophole in there. Pained is only active if we know their identity/ability. So if we know what player is Pained but not their identity would it activate? This is more to Karifean. Also, what if there's more than one Pained?
You just now say you know who it is so before that other than you saying she wasn't I had no more proof than that. You simply said you didn't think she was and was adamant which made me think you knew more. I pushed, you revealed you did. I say it worked well, didn't it?
Except now I'll probably die tonight
Wow, okay. This is feeling kind of personal attacky.
I mognetted Karifean YESTERDAY (not two days ago) saying I did see a lot of mognet activity and I was worried I hate cheated or something because it did raise suspicions. Karifean assured me that the witches communicate via discord chat and not via mognet, which made me feel better because otherwise I would have felt like an accidental cheater and bowed out because I didn't want to find out information outside of the thread. If I was just trying to be sneakysneaky I wouldn't have talked to Karifean about it at all.
I also was not trying to look for that, I often check the who is online to check forum activity, which I started doing long before this game.
When I was suspicious because I saw mognetting not ONCE did I bring that up in thread as a way to try and turn on you guys and I have provided considerable amounts of evidence as to why I believe you guys are the witches that had zero to do with any mognet messaging. So dismissing my whole arguments on that basis is pretty insulting, frankly, when I could have just like... not communicated with Karifean and tried to do the right thing and just tried to turn people against you some other way.
But hey, thanks for that
To be fair if I had seen someone mognetting who was playing in the game, I would assume they are likely mafia.
Obviously you're not just going to come out and say 'I saw x mognetting, they're mafia." You would come up with reasons aside from this to justify leading a lynch against them.
I do have a solution to this problem for future games.
It's not a problem if we're using mafia accounts since they're set to private. We could all also just agree to set our accounts to private for the duration of the mafia to avoid such situations.
Use Invisible Mode. This doesn't allow anyone to see if someone is PMing someone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Alternatively there are a few external communication methods...such as Discord, which I've been suggesting a few times already. :P
Which is what Karifean said they were using to communicate, so I have no reason to distrust those two on that basis anymore
Obviously the host is going to try and protect the integrity of the game. I certainly would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
The allegation here is that you saw FFNut and TSoL messaging each other, assumed they were mafia, and attempted to find justification to support this. You did say that it 'raised suspicions' and today you are leading a lynch against both of them.
Her claim is she doesn't think my truth exists. Am I the only one who checked the Wiki with it? It is a known rule under the handicap roles. Still don't know how my truth is false off of that reasoning.
Alright, I'm done. Go ahead and lynch me off, I'm just done. I actually came up with my reasons for what I believe that had nothing to do with any messages but now it's just all about this stupid mognet thing and I'm just done
Or Karifean can feel free to modkill me. Sorry guys, this just isn't worth it. It's insulting and stressful and just not worth it
I can somewhat understand both sides. Unfortunately, Nutty got really frustrated and decided to reveal that himself and TSoL are both witches. I can't blame his frustration tbh.
Except Pumpkin did not raise this in the thread and only started accusing Nutty after having heard from Karifean that the mognet weren't the case. Nutty was the one who brought the mognets into the conversation in an attempt to show Pumpkin she doesn't have any concrete basis for her accusations, which she doesQuote:
Originally Posted by ScruffingtonObviously the host is going to try and protect the integrity of the game. I certainly would.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
The allegation here is that you saw FFNut and TSoL messaging each other, assumed they were mafia, and attempted to find justification to support this. You did say that it 'raised suspicions' and today you are leading a lynch against both of them.
You're not a cheater or anything. Pretty sure no one believes that at all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
I think what happened is you stumbled upon Nutty's profile when he was messaging TSoL. This instantly kind of paints him as guilty in your eyes, as it would make him look guilty to anyone. And even though Karifean tried to convince you otherwise, you'll still be suspicious of him because of that.
It's more just an accident than anything, honestly.
Except she has actual, valid reasons to suspect Nutty other than mognets
I did not see the mognet messages and came to assume the same as her
Well like I already EXPLAINED my issues with his purple statement, which he is ignoring, because now everything I say is just "but because of messages"
I feel like friggin Hillary Clinton up in here
Pumpkin admitted she had seen mognets and Nutty confirmed something regarding Mognetting (I'm assuming Karifean messaged him and attempted to explain that Pumpkin saw him messaging someone).Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
It's still interesting how you keep dismissing her actual arguments, despite the fact there's actual damning evidence against Nutty, especially since he himself brought the mognets into the question
It's almost as if you're playing for the same team
What evidence against me? I have yet to see any?
Except the fact that your statement doesn't fit, you're basing your accusations on incredibly flimsy reasons, and then you bring the mognets into the picture when you can no longer make a solid case against yourself
I'd say that's pretty telling. And not particularly clever.
I explained why this could be the case earlier. You see someone messaging someone else, assume they are mafia, but you can't use that as evidence because it's practically cheating and poor form. So instead you have to either use an ability or scumhunt them down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynn
Well what he's positing (which I can somewhat understand) is that you seeing him messaging someone is the basis for your suspicion. Obviously you're bringing up some valid reasons for painting him as mafia now, but I think he's suggesting that you wouldn't have been suspicious (or as suspicious of him) in the first place had you not seen him messaging someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
@Fynn: Nutty already admitted that he and TSoL are mafia.
Where did he do that?
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Originally Posted by Fynn
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Originally Posted by FFNut
While I believe that they are mafia, I doubt he intentionally outed himself and Bobby and probably meant something else
For the record I never mention who I saw messaging each other in the mognet I sent to Karifean so that kind of further incriminates yourself
Anyways, sorry if I ruined the game guys! I really did believe him when he said they were talking in Discord and I had my suspicions day one but that all sounds like fluff now, so I mean
Sorry guys
I have work, so I'll be out until later tonight.
Cmon guys, no one's ruining the game
Let's just move on, eh? We'll see how much truth there is to everyone's words. For now, we have three votes on Nutty - who knows, he might just flip human when he gets lynched! Wouldn't that be a curveball for the ages!
You've nothing to apologise for. People need to remember that people do other things outside the game. People talk to each outside the game because this is a forum and people talk on forums.
I see nothing wrong with Nutty messaging TSoL. They could be talking about gardening for all I care.
Seriously though, this is something out of nothing. I live with another player so if a message is suspicious then I don't know anymore. Can we drop this, if at all possible? I don't know, this seems to be something that'll only go nowhere and mess things up for people.
Aye, let's move on. While I know who I think the witches are, that doesn't mean I'm correct, and we still have no idea who the cynic is. Or at least I don't
Yeah, the Cynic is gonna be the worst part of all this
For what it is worth, I still think Nutty was suspicious even before all this happened. My vote sticks.
Imagine if the cynic is also the pained and then we out the cynic and then they go on a mass killing spree?
That would be bad news bears
Same
I highly doubt that, to be honest
Yeah me too but you have to admit that would make for a pretty interesting twist
I don't think it's beyond Karifean to do that XD
But Care Bears are cute and cuddly and fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fynnno :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
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Also I think Pumpkin should prove to us her trustworthiness by giving us candy like she said she would.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's care bears
So what did I miss? I finally finished work. Now I can engage properly.
The debate got even more heated than the day before. Even though nobody had died the night before, arguments were made for who could or could not be messing with everyone. The atmosphere was tense, and eventually it was decided that everybody would cool their heads for a bit and resume later.
While walking past one another in the hall, a young man slipped a letter into another man's pocket while the latter seemed to be thinking deeply about something else. The man noticed the letter later on and read it in solitude. The contents brought a smile to his face.
After about a half hour had passed, people started reconvening in the parlor. Eventually everyone besides the apparently mute adolescent had returned. His friends started getting worried, so everyone decided to head over to his room to see if he was alright. They opened the door slowly, and an unfortunate sight came into view: it seems he had accidently hit himself with a baseball bat and taken a bad spill. Some started screaming and it didn't take long until all of them realized... it was simply too late.
Huckleberry Quin has been modkilled for absence.
They were Keiichi Maebara, Human Aligned Magician of Words.
Someone who had kept their cool at the sight quickly brought up that there could be clues hidden in his room. And indeed, it seems the man bad a bit of information he'd never had a chance to share with anyone.
One player is called the "Witch of Truth".
Finally, they decided to return to the parlor. They still had a job to do. And just now things were getting serious.
Umineko OST - Dread of the Grave -More Fear-
Halftime (Day 2)
24 hours remain in the voting phase. Majority lockdowns are now enabled.
Voting Log
FFNut -> Pumpkin
Pumpkin -> FFNut
Formalhaut -> FFNut
Fynn -> FFNut
So now that I read everything properly, I believe I'm the gummy bear in the narrative and the girl was Fynn. Why? Pumpkin's claim she used her ability on me so my name would appear as a candy, no? The only reference is candy. I used my ability on Fynn and showed two used on him: Intimidate and Stealth. Intimidate was the guy with the sword in the hall (which is confirmed by the fact that I told it can prevent a kill on a target or one time use of a general preventing nightkill). The narrative also said there was a person in the shadows outside of the girl's door. That coincides with Stealth, or at least what I imagine it could do since I could only get a description of one ability.
Given all this, it is obvious I am the Candy (Pumpkin's ability), Fynn is the girl (I was in the same room as him because my ability and Stealth was used on him and there was a person in the shadows outside that door). This also leads to the fact that Fynn WAS going to leave his room that night and decided against it. The man with the sword ability is a deterrent to nightkills. The only reason why Fynn wouldn't leave his room is if he was going to do a nightkill. Otherwise it'd be pointless to mention he was going to do a night activity then didn't? Unless Stealth also prevents its target from executing their night skill as well.
I still believe the adult in the hall was the witch nightkill that failed. Fynn either has a nightkill and was detected by Intimidate (it only deters kills) or Stealth applied on him has a secondary ability of preventing his night ability.
Someone is passing notes around and I'm curious as hell since I'm female. I didn't get it. Anyone wanna share with the class?
What's majority today? 4?
We are even now with Quin gone. Is there an alchemist in play then?
So I guess 5? Anyone?
Oh I'm at work and everyone is active but as soon as I'm done I'm all alone. :(
With 8 people, the majority is at five.
If Pumpkin's sweeten ability worked, then that means a mass-roleblock didn't happen. Fynn has stated several times that his ability also went through. Nutty has also implied that he was able to track as well.
So either a mass-roleblock happened or not. I'm so confused. The writeup said the intimidating man went through every room?
Don't worry TSoL. I'm here!
Intimidate only prevents night kills. There was someone lurking in the shadows which indicates night abilities worked. Plus the fact that mine worked which is how I know how Intimidate works and that Fynn was targeted by two abilities, Intimidate and Stealth.
If a mass roleblock did happen, the only way people could say their abilities went through is if they had some piercing unblockable ability, (and at three, that's a lot of unblockable ones), or they have a greater priority over the block, but blocking is at a very high priority.
Ugh, I'm confused.
Oooooh is it just night kills it blocks?
That makes sense.
Which if Fynn is the girl in the room it means that he was roleblocked (they decided against leaving the room) by Intimidate or Stealth. Intimidate would mean he has a nightkill. Stealth would mean it has a roleblocking effect.
Unless I'm wrong and Pumpkin is saying her ability didn't work and she's the girl in the room. Then whoever was outside her door in the shadows has a roleblocking ability.
Intimidate sounds like a roleblocky move, but I suppose it could function like a Doctor.
Yeah Intimidate only blocks nightkill. Why the witch didn't kill anyone.
So TSoL, any candidates for voting?
Ok now that I am not with only one eye on half of this and the other working, where I really couldn't look everything over here I go.
My vote stays on Pumkin. Here are the main reasons why.
A. When I watched her she went to do something, but was blocked. A kill was also blocked and I think she was the hitman yet it failed.
B. She had a open role claim and ability claim that means she is either a) a witch, or b) not feared of being pained and now is indeed pained due to it if that is how being pained does indeed work.
C. Her whole attack on me was she didn't feel my truth is real which it is. It is a known thing used in many games to add some flavour. Gives people a element of doubt on their results. More on the village idiot later in the post.
If you ignore these things you are being wilfully blind.
Now about my stupid truth which I never wanted to tell anyhow yet the feeling was attack if you didn't:
the villiage idiot according to the wiki is a secondary skill that isn't a main. It is put there to put doubt in players who know it is in play and makes the game fun. It isn't a point make this person dumb and boom their skill backfires.
If I could have lied I would have, but I can't. Towns get Mod killed for lies and I am Human aligned.
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Originally Posted by Fynn
I was was at work with one hand on a wrench that was attached to something spitting fire and the other hand on my phone typing. I paid more attention to the more Immediate risk to my health and safety. Sorry everyone there.
I was trying to say she was looking towards both of us as mafia due to me going to Montreal this summer. I don't know about Bobby, but I can say I am human in game.
Which is why I was asked if I was cheating because "PUMPKIN" said she saw us Mognet Messaging.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pumpkin
As you all know, I'm a cautious voter. So right now I am waiting it out and I want to see how people react to this Halftime.
There was a not given and I have no idea from who or to whom. I think people should share with the class.
I have suspicions about Fynn but will wait and see what he says before I vote.
A note given not a not.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Summoner of Leviathan
I will say though: I really want for Laddy to speak more. He's barely said a peep.
Yeah I am curious as to what he has to say. Also Carny has been pretty quiet lately. I saw a few posts here and there but nothing substantive. Go wake him Formy :p
Yeah, he just told me to tell you guys that he's asleep and he'll be back tomorrow evening. He was pretty tired from work.
Which is no excuse because you work in a smurfing kitchen (which sounds like hell to me) but what can you do! :monster:
I was also horribly irresponsible and checked my phone too many times. Though the last few hours I ignored it and spent putting away stuff since we got new shelves in our prep kitchen then helped the nights guys with a special. :D
You me both. I broke a ton of rules at work today with my phone. Phones are a big no no in a natural gas plant as they cause an explosion hazard as the electronics are not a sealed system, yet there I was trying to defend myself from someone who if they do turn town, will be pained and willingly pained themselves.
Do agree that we shouldn't rule out Pumpkin being Pained. But like I said anyone who says their ability/identity should be a danger of being Pained.
So who got the letter? No one? Come on guys...
Back from work.
Laddy is still missing. I am willing to bet he is dead.
I am almost wondering the same thing. I haven't seen him since his truth claim.
Jesus Nutty don't explode the natural gas plant just because of Mafia!Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
I mean, yeah. Woo, fun Mafia times, but damn. No-one's going to slaughter you if you can't post for a few hours. I certainly wouldn't.
Is Laddy dead? I mean, I wouldn't think so and even if the writeup got obscured somehow you'd think Laddy would say something in the discussion thread in a snarky manner. Hmm.
What if we say his name real loud? LAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDY.
Well I do it as someone trained how not to blow up a plant. Though I have seen tanks lids blow off.
Badass Nutty over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFNut
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Sorry, Bobby, you're completely off the mark. My character is male.
Believe me or don't, tbh. You've already extracted information that put a target on my back earlier, I'm not falling for that again.
Nutty, the village idiot may be a common role, but you'll notice that all the other roles with established names (i.e. traitor) have had them changed so as to be in line with our setting (i.e. cynic). We have no village here. Therefore, there can be no village idiot. No one is disputing that it's a real role that you found on the wiki - just that you didn't entirely think it through when giving that purple truth. Considering how obsessive Karifean can be with his flavor texts, I highly doubt he'd just half-ass it and keep the village idiot as that.
Bobby, how is it that you know exactly how intimidate works?
As to Laddy being dead - it crossed my mind, tbh. Any ideas how we can verify that?
Karifean, can you confirm that we need five votes for a majority lockdown?
We do need 5 it has been confined. I thought I also established that it is a secondary thing that is active that adds flavour if you look it up Fynn.
Now the big Concern to me is still Pumpkin as she did the roll claim. She is now Pained and a serial killer. If Pained are even in he game.
There was only one truth that said Pained too. Funny that is a flavour roll too that isn't in the descriptions. So go ahead and keep trying to lynch on something I had to tell the truth about.
I will also like to point out how quick Fynn is to end the day. He is just wanting ended fast.
I am not calling to end the day, though?
I wanted to ask Karifean in an indirect way if Laddy is still with us, since I figured there being fewer of us might influence what counts as the majority. But then I realized I miscalculated, and the majority is still five, whether there's 8 or 9 of us.
It's also important to keep in mind how many people make up a majority not only so you can end the day quicker, but also to make sure you DON'T make the day end too quick. Grasping at ever thinner straws, I see.
If Pumpkin is Pained, that would mean there are more than one Pained, which would be pretty absurd, but I'll grant you, not outside the realm of possibility.
I am not grasping at any straws. If anything I would guess that you and Pumpkin are the Witches. I can get Formy's vote for me, it was kinda cute the way I was on Carny and he voted to protect his man. However
The fact you and Pumpkin worked in tandem to fill pages of Fourms.
The fact you ignore her role claim yet believe in Pained in the game.
The fact I have given strong evidence that she tried to make a move at night and it was blocked.
If Laddy is still alive, and I don't think he wouldn't be as the person doing the write up would omit something as strong as that from the game in my opinion makes me look towards her. My vote was from the information I used at night tracking her movements. Read the day 2 opening and you will see her as the gummy bear eater who had a move but got blocked.
Funny you ignore this to fit your narrative, yet vote strictly on... I don't think there is a town idiot.
How do you get two pained?