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02-12-2007, 10:13 AM
Ishin Ookami

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Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami

Resident Evil 4: Not an overly bad game, but not the quantum leap everyone made it out to be. How come there was no strafe or dodge options, seemed like the same ol crap just with a few upgrades to me.

Gotta roffle @ u for this. RE4 was exactly as big a deal as it was made out to be. If you played the earlier ones at all, you'd know this and you certainly wouldn't say it's just the same old crap. And yes, there is a dodge option, it's just contextual.

you gotta love fanboy logic. Now if I didn't play any past RE titles, how would I know that RE4 wasn't such a quantum leap? only differences is the aiming is more precise, thanks to the game taking MGS's aiming system, and now your fighting cultists on crack. Oh yah, and the game is more like contra instead of survival horror. You still control like a tank, cant dodge, can't strafe, and cant get around effectively. Saying the dodge is contextual is just fanboy speak for during specific sequences, which is still whack. I did like the fact it's more action oriented, and the quest was long. It wasn't at all horrible, just not awesome. And definitely not the quantum leap that the reviewers were paid to make it out to be.

And as for the whole FF debate, allow me to chip in my 2 cents worth.

Sakaguchi's name as script writer or director = awesome

Nomura's or kitase's name as director or script writer = awful
02-12-2007, 10:17 AM
Yuriev's ghost

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Originally Posted by Summoner of Leviathan

Between the beginning and middle of the game, I would have to agree with you, but once you get towards the end, or do any of the harder hunts, that becomes far from the case.

Also that is only one aspect of the whole battle system. Most people do not bother with quickenings since they drain your MP and somewhat based on agility and luck.

I got up to Old Archadies before I gave up, which is pretty far into the game from what I've heard. Every boss up until that point followed the same basic protocol:

1. Use Quickening Chain with party one (half the time this was enough)

2. Use Quickening Chain with party two.

3. Finish off boss with physical attacks (usually not required)

The only boss that didn't follow this forumula was Elder Drake, in which the following comes into play before 3:

2 1/3: User ethers

2 2/3: Use Quickening chain with 2 party again.

When I wasn't killing bosses, all I ever needed were physical attacks and curative magic. This leaves every type of magic except white and all skills untouched by me, purely because I never needed them. FFXII is basically the new FFVIII.
02-12-2007, 11:02 AM
Madame Adequate

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Originally Posted by Ishin Ookami

you gotta love fanboy logic. Now if I didn't play any past RE titles, how would I know that RE4 wasn't such a quantum leap? only differences is the aiming is more precise, thanks to the game taking MGS's aiming system, and now your fighting cultists on crack. Oh yah, and the game is more like contra instead of survival horror. You still control like a tank, cant dodge, can't strafe, and cant get around effectively. Saying the dodge is contextual is just fanboy speak for during specific sequences, which is still whack. I did like the fact it's more action oriented, and the quest was long. It wasn't at all horrible, just not awesome. And definitely not the quantum leap that the reviewers were paid to make it out to be.

I don't even know how to answer this. You can certainly say RE4 wasn't as good as is made out, I'd disagree but that's ultimately a question of personal taste. If you're seriously suggesting that there was little significant progression between 3/Code Veronica and 4, however, then I don't know what to say, except that I disagree and that I've been a player of the series since the original was released on the PS1. I found 4 to be a massive, and hugely refreshing, change, that completely abandoned the old notion of always dodging as many enemies as possible in favor of blowing them away, added a huge number of new ways to fight stuff (Rather than just bugging them out by standing slightly out of reach and knifing them), and was generally a frakking great game that revitalized a flagging series.

Hell, just read what wikipedia says on it;

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Resident Evil 4's game mechanics have been completely revamped to incorporate fast-paced gunplay, quick controls and shootouts involving massive crowds of enemies in large open areas. This, combined with an abundance of healing items and ammunition is the polar opposite of previous Resident Evil games. Previous titles in the series have focused on exploration and attempted to instill a sense of fear via small amounts of ammunition and healing items and deadly enemies in small, tight spaces. The player can fire more ammunition and kill more and more enemies in one playthrough of this game than in all of the other games in the franchise combined (not including the Gun Survivor sub-franchise, in which the player is deliberately given infinite pistol ammo) - a typical playthrough can result in the player killing hundreds of enemies.
02-12-2007, 11:43 AM
Fatal Impurity

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

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Originally Posted by Yuriev's ghost

Perfect Dark is better than Golden Eye 64.

/seconded

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Originally Posted by omegaweapon2005

Wakka = Used to have a crusader brother but brother died because of sin and now he loves his brothers girlfriend.

If you think that's all Wakka's story is, then I can pretty much discount your opinions because you've obviously not been paying attention. Same goes for the others, but this is by far the most striking example.

ok smart guy you try to explain what Wakka's story is other than what i've already stated? FF10's character "stories" are quite simply 1 or 2 line anaemic backstories which are only there for the point of being fillers!
02-12-2007, 02:53 PM
Pete for President

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Originally Posted by omegaweapon2005

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

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Originally Posted by Yuriev's ghost

Perfect Dark is better than Golden Eye 64.

/seconded

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Originally Posted by omegaweapon2005

Wakka = Used to have a crusader brother but brother died because of sin and now he loves his brothers girlfriend.

If you think that's all Wakka's story is, then I can pretty much discount your opinions because you've obviously not been paying attention. Same goes for the others, but this is by far the most striking example.

ok smart guy you try to explain what Wakka's story is other than what i've already stated? FF10's character "stories" are quite simply 1 or 2 line anaemic backstories which are only there for the point of being fillers!

Wakka's background story isn't very interesting, I'll give you that, but his character development in the game is quite the contrary.
02-12-2007, 05:32 PM
Madame Adequate

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Originally Posted by Pete for President

Wakka's background story isn't very interesting, I'll give you that, but his character development in the game is quite the contrary.

Sank you! ^_^;

Wakka's development is interesting in two ways. Both focus on his religion. He is completely devout to begin with, it should be noted. He toes the dogmatic line on machina, Sin, and so on and so forth. And then the Maesters themselves are using machina, supplied and operated by the hated Al Bhed, to fight Sin. The Al Bhed are not cool to Wakka - you don't even tell him about the fact that Rikku's one of them, because his reaction wouldn't be so great. But then later he's riding on an airship, working with the Al Bhed, and busting into Bevelle itself to personally disrupt the wedding of a Maester. Wakka's spiritual struggle is one of the most interesting things I've seen in any game, and it's one of the best executed character arcs I've seen as well.

So you see, first of all he has to accept that his religion's leaders are hypocrits, even unsent. Secondly, he has to overcome long-standing prejudices. His entire worldview is based on something led by liars, and which ranges from being merely grossly inaccurate to outright fabrication. These are nuanced and gradual processes, and I really empathise with his struggle. Seeing how anti-religion and anti-bigotry I am, I consider it a great success that I care so much about Wakka and his development. Rationally, he should be someone I dislike strongly. It should be noted that he could serve as a microcosm for Spira, as many citizens share his piety and faith.
02-12-2007, 10:41 PM
Wolf Kanno

Damn... when did this become the FFXII forums?

Anyway, I agree that Wakka is by and far the most develpoed and well written character in the game, with the exception of Auron when you start to really think about it. My issue is, I don't like him. If Wakka was real, I would never speak to him cause we are polar opposites about the world (he comes around towards the end but that still doesn't mean I have to respect him...) It's really my issue with the game. The few characters who are well written are just unlikeable.

Also, XII's system is good. If you bother to actually use it. If you rely on Quickenings (just like the losers who rely solely on Limit Breaks in FFVII and FFVIII) Then chances are, you will never enjoy the leaps that FFXII ADB system has given to the series.
02-12-2007, 11:18 PM
ThundagAuron

God of War. Nowhere near the 9.8 or whatever IGN gave it. I played on Hard and beat it within a week. The music/graphics were great, the gameplay was fun but DMC3 was WAY better, IMO. Not to mention, God of War felt kinda like work, too, dunno why...

My .02
02-13-2007, 12:11 AM
Auragaea

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FF10 is HUGELY overrated...the sphere grid is a nightmare, the characters have little back story or histories to them, the main playable character is a whining bitch and the game concentrates way too heavily on the love story between yuna and tidus.

I agree that it focuses too much on Tidus/Yuna, but seriously. Wakka, Lulu, Kimahri, and the entire Al Bhed all have totally awesome stories. And the story itself has like the second best "Oh snaps" I can remember seeing in a game (The best being in Star Ocean 3).

I dont think so there isnt very much backstory to nay of these characters which is a direct side effect of the story mainly concentrating on Tidus and Yuna.

Afterall Lulu = grumpy guardian who lost her first summomer. Used to love a crusader and now loves his brother.

Wakka = Used to have a crusader brother but brother died because of sin and now he loves his brothers girlfriend.

Kimahri = Has 2 ronso's on his back who used to be his friends one of which broke off his horn. Met a dying Auron at bottom of Mt Gagazet and was told to protect Yuna.

As for the Al Bhed well all they have for a story is that thier original home got destroyed by Yevon and now they scavenge technology for thier city in the Bikanel desert which they call "Home"

You call this GREAT character development...i think you are mistaken.

As it has been said time and time again, every single game created can be oversimplified in such a manner whether it be music, storyline, characters, etc. You'll have to do better to create a more effective argument. IMO, FFX was mediocre.
02-13-2007, 01:36 AM
Fatal Impurity

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

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Originally Posted by Pete for President

Wakka's background story isn't very interesting, I'll give you that, but his character development in the game is quite the contrary.

Sank you! ^_^;

Wakka's development is interesting in two ways. Both focus on his religion. He is completely devout to begin with, it should be noted. He toes the dogmatic line on machina, Sin, and so on and so forth. And then the Maesters themselves are using machina, supplied and operated by the hated Al Bhed, to fight Sin. The Al Bhed are not cool to Wakka - you don't even tell him about the fact that Rikku's one of them, because his reaction wouldn't be so great. But then later he's riding on an airship, working with the Al Bhed, and busting into Bevelle itself to personally disrupt the wedding of a Maester. Wakka's spiritual struggle is one of the most interesting things I've seen in any game, and it's one of the best executed character arcs I've seen as well.

So you see, first of all he has to accept that his religion's leaders are hypocrits, even unsent. Secondly, he has to overcome long-standing prejudices. His entire worldview is based on something led by liars, and which ranges from being merely grossly inaccurate to outright fabrication. These are nuanced and gradual processes, and I really empathise with his struggle. Seeing how anti-religion and anti-bigotry I am, I consider it a great success that I care so much about Wakka and his development. Rationally, he should be someone I dislike strongly. It should be noted that he could serve as a microcosm for Spira, as many citizens share his piety and faith.

ok i give you it with Wakka...his development wasnt soooooo bad but i cant think of any of the other characters that even come close to that depth other than Auron...can you?
02-13-2007, 02:40 AM
Yuriev's ghost

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Originally Posted by Wolf Kanno

Also, XII's system is good. If you bother to actually use it. If you rely on Quickenings (just like the losers who rely solely on Limit Breaks in FFVII and FFVIII) Then chances are, you will never enjoy the leaps that FFXII ADB system has given to the series.

A system that allows you abuse one aspect of it in order to easily win battles is still fundamentally broken, no matter which way you look at it.
02-13-2007, 02:53 AM
Cruise Control

That reminds me of FF8.
02-13-2007, 03:17 AM
Roto13

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Originally Posted by omegaweapon2005

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Originally Posted by Pete for President

Wakka's background story isn't very interesting, I'll give you that, but his character development in the game is quite the contrary.

Sank you! ^_^;

Wakka's development is interesting in two ways. Both focus on his religion. He is completely devout to begin with, it should be noted. He toes the dogmatic line on machina, Sin, and so on and so forth. And then the Maesters themselves are using machina, supplied and operated by the hated Al Bhed, to fight Sin. The Al Bhed are not cool to Wakka - you don't even tell him about the fact that Rikku's one of them, because his reaction wouldn't be so great. But then later he's riding on an airship, working with the Al Bhed, and busting into Bevelle itself to personally disrupt the wedding of a Maester. Wakka's spiritual struggle is one of the most interesting things I've seen in any game, and it's one of the best executed character arcs I've seen as well.

So you see, first of all he has to accept that his religion's leaders are hypocrits, even unsent. Secondly, he has to overcome long-standing prejudices. His entire worldview is based on something led by liars, and which ranges from being merely grossly inaccurate to outright fabrication. These are nuanced and gradual processes, and I really empathise with his struggle. Seeing how anti-religion and anti-bigotry I am, I consider it a great success that I care so much about Wakka and his development. Rationally, he should be someone I dislike strongly. It should be noted that he could serve as a microcosm for Spira, as many citizens share his piety and faith.

ok i give you it with Wakka...his development wasnt soooooo bad but i cant think of any of the other characters that even come close to that depth other than Auron...can you?

Tidus.
02-13-2007, 06:12 AM
Fatal Impurity

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Originally Posted by Roto13

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Originally Posted by omegaweapon2005

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Originally Posted by I'm my own MILF

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Originally Posted by Pete for President

Wakka's background story isn't very interesting, I'll give you that, but his character development in the game is quite the contrary.

Sank you! ^_^;

Wakka's development is interesting in two ways. Both focus on his religion. He is completely devout to begin with, it should be noted. He toes the dogmatic line on machina, Sin, and so on and so forth. And then the Maesters themselves are using machina, supplied and operated by the hated Al Bhed, to fight Sin. The Al Bhed are not cool to Wakka - you don't even tell him about the fact that Rikku's one of them, because his reaction wouldn't be so great. But then later he's riding on an airship, working with the Al Bhed, and busting into Bevelle itself to personally disrupt the wedding of a Maester. Wakka's spiritual struggle is one of the most interesting things I've seen in any game, and it's one of the best executed character arcs I've seen as well.

So you see, first of all he has to accept that his religion's leaders are hypocrits, even unsent. Secondly, he has to overcome long-standing prejudices. His entire worldview is based on something led by liars, and which ranges from being merely grossly inaccurate to outright fabrication. These are nuanced and gradual processes, and I really empathise with his struggle. Seeing how anti-religion and anti-bigotry I am, I consider it a great success that I care so much about Wakka and his development. Rationally, he should be someone I dislike strongly. It should be noted that he could serve as a microcosm for Spira, as many citizens share his piety and faith.

ok i give you it with Wakka...his development wasnt soooooo bad but i cant think of any of the other characters that even come close to that depth other than Auron...can you?

Tidus.

HA! your calling Tidus DEVELOPED! Man you've gotta be joking me...i don't think i've had that much of a laugh in a while!
02-13-2007, 09:30 AM
Setzer Gabianni

Then explain why he isn't developed then.

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