Ganondorf is officially not a clone, I say.
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And I'll be the Marth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
But, that's just my opinion though. If they added only Dark Samus or only Paper Mario without any extra versions of the other characters I'd also find it wrong. I also technically consider Paper Mario and Dark Samus to be the same as Samus and Mario. So I'm not just bashing on Zelda like you think I am.
And as I said before I'm somewhat against the idea of really redundant things being added because it leaves less room for more unique and classic things to be put in Brawl.
check out my extremely large signature before it gets removed y'all :p :D
EDIT: hmm, overly big, changing to a slightly less big one :D yay brawl
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Originally Posted by Kentarou
Oh thank god. Although he still seems a little clonish but not as bad as in melee. I will miss the purple energy though.
yeah me too, that was like, his 'thing'...what does he have now? a few physical things...how very original...*cough*:rolleyes2Quote:
Originally Posted by Creeping ShadowQuote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
Oh thank god. Although he still seems a little clonish but not as bad as in melee. I will miss the purple energy though.
I liked in the end how he said "Oh, that's new"...Quote:
Originally Posted by Creeping ShadowQuote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
Oh thank god. Although he still seems a little clonish but not as bad as in melee. I will miss the purple energy though.
It appears as though Lucario is indeed a Ninja. Somewhat slow, but still a Ninja.
Edit: More Lucario stuff. Some nice Classic Mode footage.
dammit, he found my sig :p
anyway, that's awesome how lucario can jump up walls...insane
Lucario is fricken'... brilliant!
The Final Smash made me melt :3
Now there's a tournament illegal stage! :joker: Of course, it's a created stage.
Lucario looks like the perfect character for me....
plus he looks like a jackal...
THE JACKEL
I hope mewtwo still makes it...doubt it but this is me still hoping :mad:
haha, what is it with you and jackals?
As for Lucario, he may just be my next main, because Mewtwo was my old one (unless i needed some body who was fast -_-) and he not only has similar moves, but is faster, fixing pretty much the only problem i had with him :) in saying that, there are so many other awesome people...
EDIT: Wow, why did 'jackal' come up in caps?! that's awesome, but why (let's hope it does it with this one ^_^)
EDIT2: It went back to normal :(...wtf was that?
TEST: jackel jackal
FINDINGS: ah, i get it, if you spell jackal with an 'e' instaead of the second 'a', it changes to an 'a' and caps...perculiar
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Originally Posted by Kentarou
That stage was cool Im surprised how deep the stage builder can get.
you mean it's not just for me! I always type it with an E.Quote:
Originally Posted by .:kerrod:.
But yeah, I loved mewtwo but sometimes he was just two slow. Mr. Lucario seems to be that but faster! I'm looking forward to using him.
and for those who wanted Wolf confirmed
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/706/wolfjm5.jpg
THE JACKEL
....CRAP!! :eek:
Wolfs soo lame lol
Uhh krystal for an assist trophy?
Lots of info here. Not sure if JKTrix's site had this same information, but I can actually get to this page, so...
Confirmation of Ridley as a boss fight, yay!
There's lots of different blogs around that are serving as an aggregate for all these spoilers, especially with the 'main sites' taking a hammering.
One thing that Go Nintendo thing had that I hadn't seen though, is instructions to a live stream of someone playing Brawl. That was cool. I'm not exactly scouring the internet looking for details though, there's a couple other sites I go to that have people doing that :p
Loving Lucario's KamehamehAura Sphere. Methinks he'll be a popular choice.
It's good to see Wolf isn't a clone. I've not seen Falco fight yet, though. From what I can see, Toon Link is the only "clone" of the game, but I bet Falco might change that when I see him.
Loving all the info. I'm not one who really cares if something is spoiled for me or not, so meh. Just gives me a goal to unlock them.
EDIT: In the first video on the site Skyblade posted, anyone else notice Wario stopping the rolling barrel and picking it up around 1:27 or so?
Is that really the final roster?
Jigglypuff!!!!!????!!!111love!!!
Maybe it's just me, but I had really high expectations for the final roster. A 35 character roster with clones leaves me wantin' more, especially with the likes of Ridley, Geno, K. Rool, etc. not being playable.
I'm liking it all right. Besides, the only clone I can see from the videos posted in this thread is Toon Link. Wolf's video is a bit blurry, but the only moves that really stand out are entirely different from Fox.
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Originally Posted by Kentarou
YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl; Lucario FS + Falco FS Gameplay (2M)
Be the jugde of that yourself (falco comes in a little later)
YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Marth's 14 Min SSE (1/2)
Marths skills have improved but he seems a tad slower
YouTube - Super Smash Bros. Brawl: Marth's 14 Min SSE (2/2)
Part 2
Thanks for the Falco video. Though perhaps you should note that the Marth videos bear Story Mode spoilers. :choc:
Its what I doQuote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
BTW does anyone have a luigi gameplay video they can post?
I saw a Target Test somewhere with him in it.
Thanks ill look it up. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
Its perfectly fine to be a little bummed by the final roster.You are paying for the game after all and personally im not a big fan of the final roster at all.
Infact i think thats the most dissapointing aspect of the game.
(Here comes another uber long rant...huzzah! ;) )
Sub space looks fantastic, ALL the arenas are superb, items look fun, pokemon seem more diverse, AT rock, musics phenominal, stage edit looks neat and even target test and home run seem fun.
But im one of those pepole that play fighting games for oh i dont know...the CHARACTERS! Dont get me wrong theres not a single character that i mind thats on the roster (yes including R.O.B.) but i felt there are certain characters that deserved priority over others.
Ok first lets look at the number....35. Now thats not SO bad (it could be sooo much worst) but lets take a look at the leaps smash has made over the years in terms of characters. Super smash bros. had 12 characters. It was released january 21 1999. Melee came out in 2001...thats a 2 yr difference and we boosted to 25 characters(26 if you count shiek)! Wow thats more then double the origonal roster! Now comes brawl early 2008. Seven freakin years later and we get 10 more characters. But thats NOT the part that upsets me. Now for the venting...
Sakuri promised no more clones. Suure most characters are luigified at the moment but what the heck?! Ness and falcos FS's are the same as lucas and fox?! Wolf and falco move like fox? Cartoon link plays like regular link? Ganon has no sword?! Now i admire these characters and im glad there in the game and all and suure there a tad bit different but heres the issue...make the ORIGINALs FIRST theen worry about clones or luigified characters. Sures it nice to see ness back but put him next to lucas and there almost identical. But claus (lucas's twin brother...hehe ironry eh?) could have had twice as much potential because he could have represented (SPOILER)a villain for the mother series but noo we just get a kid who uses a snake and a kid with a yo-yo who just so happen to both be protaganists. Umm wheres krystal!? Sakuri said he wanted more females so where the heck is the most wanted female rep for the star fox series? Why on earth would he put three very similar male characters to rep a series but not the only logical female rep? (who could EASILY have her own original move set...staff,magic user for the star fox team whos ALSO a female...kill two birds with one stone easy) And thats wonderful that marth made it back but hes just a fast ike...why not bring a spear user or a FEMALE or SOMTHING unique! Theres more the fire emblem series then blue haired sword wielding good guys for crying out loud. But what probably peeves me the most is lucario. Replacing mewtwo with that cool looking dude...boo! I think lucarios awsome but why does Mewtwo get the shaft and ness and marth dont? At least if you put him next to lucario you wont get confused between the two if you looked at the sword and some goofy hat *glares at ness and marth*. I mean come on Mewtwos THE badguy pokemon. He has his own voice, hes psychic (makes for a creative move set) and back story (sort of but then again so does lucario so thats a weak argument there) And all these characters had an awsome chance of making it if the developers didnt use all there time on stuff like stickers, AT's, subspace and all the garbage. As i said before good characters come first in a fighting game.
Which is why i refuse to believe 35 is the final roster. I still have hope and believe in nintendo to pull through on this one. Pleease nintendo...dont ruin everything!! :cry: :eek: :( :mad:
On a serious note the game looks fantastic and i'll play it either way. :)
35 is a hell of a lot of characters. O_o
Yeah, seriously. It might not be big for, say, an encyclopedia of Nintendo, but that's what trophies are for. This is a fighting game we're talking about here. Besides, how much could they really change the characters from Game 2 to Game 3 without slapping people who played Game 2 in the face about their mains?
Thus far, Falco is the most disappointing character. I understand and don't mind clone characters, but I'm sorry, they should have given him a different Final Smash. Even if the movesets and playstyles are similar, the Final Smash moves shouldn't ever repeat. I hope Toon Link doesn't have that problem.
PS: What's R.O.B.'s Final Smash? Anyone seen it yet?
Fox, Falco and Wolf have the same final smash, apparently. Just different colours.
Indeed. A real shame, especially considering that according to Falco in Star Fox 64, he does NOT like the Landmaster.
In other news, I REALLY like this track.
I burst out laughing when I found out Fox, Falco, AND Wolf all had Landmaster as their FS.
What's next?
http://:bou::bou::bou::bou::bou::bou...ic=2elv40j&s=3
I remember being in 8th grade when Melee came out, and reading all the :skull::skull::skull::skull: about it and discovering the "rumored" unlockable characters, and I was so bummed. Marth, Roy? Who were those guys?
Well, six years later, and I still play that game. Needless to say, it's not such a big deal. People who moan about how some clone got in instead of whatever character they wanted should keep in mind that the amount of resources and time it would take to create a new character would likely prevent that character from getting in altogether. So what would you rather have--Falco, Wolf, Gannondorf, and Toon Link, or 31 characters?
Yeah, but you've got to consider that they went into Brawl with WAY more people than they did for Melee, they got double the time to work on Brawl than Melee, and really, considering there were many people expecting rosters from 40-42, I don't think it would be wrong to think that they should've at least made a roster of 35 with clones.
Then again, they also introduced a whole lot of other features which is probably why the roster has a couple of clones. Personally, I would've preferred less stickers, assist trophies, and game modes, and a couple more character, or at least some clones removed.
But overall this roster is pretty good. I'm sure when I pick up the game I'll forget about all of my complains. :p
I just think it's kind of funny that Wolf, Falco, and Fox all share the same Final Smash.
I wonder if Marth is going to get Great Aether.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
That music is nice. I also like the Fire Emblem music that starts up at 2:30 of this clip. Wish they'd put more of these songs on the main site.
Marth getting Great Aether would be so sad, simply because it would make no sense what-so-ever. :monster:
Neither does Wolf or Falco getting the Landmaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
As I said before Marth's Final Smash will probably be transforming into Anri (seeing how he's a descendant of the hero Anri).
According to some people on Gamefaqs, his Final Smash is a Fire Emblem battle. :p
I must conclude that by that you do not mean that SSBB becomes a TRPG for a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
Best thing about that video was the Meta-Ridley music. Still, the stage looks pretty awesome with the ladders, I have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
Someone explain Luigi's Final Smash to me?
I believe it slows time in the area around him, aka, slowing enemies for a pummelingQuote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
THE JACKEL
I absolutely love the way the announcer said, "The winner is... Luigi." xD
Oh, yes, perhaps I should clarify. It turns into a Fire Emblem encounter, when you attack an enemy unit or an enemy unit attacks you. Marth attacks enemy, critical hit, HP to 0. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeI must conclude that by that you do not mean that SSBB becomes a TRPG for a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
looked like it was gradually damaging enemies inside the area as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9I believe it slows time in the area around him, aka, slowing enemies for a pummelingQuote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
THE JACKAL
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Originally Posted by KentarouOh, yes, perhaps I should clarify. It turns into a Fire Emblem encounter, when you attack an enemy unit or an enemy unit attacks you. Marth attacks enemy, critical hit, HP to 0. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeI must conclude that by that you do not mean that SSBB becomes a TRPG for a short time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
As cool as that sounds it still sounds like a rumor considering the Gamefaqs boards are a little...Well less than credible (SPOILER)and full of spam:p
What about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p
Kirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonolWhat about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p
Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.
Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.
As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.
Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.
Doc was likely removed because his stats barely changed from the originator. Roy was included for advertisement, mostly, and they probably didn't feel obliged to put him in. And Pichu was a pile of dung. :greenie: As for Kirby being so nerfed, I've no idea.
But justifying earlier slaps in the face is not needed. Avoiding slaps is good, no matter how many slaps you've done in the past. Why, if I went to go slap my cat, and then thought about it a month later and then didn't, I think my cat would appreciate the fact that I didn't if she were aware, even though I slapped her before. :mog: But then I poked her. She was kinda disgruntled, but she just meowed and walked away. I think that's because she used Roy.
Kirbys one of the worst characters in the game. Predictable recovery, terrible range, awful prioity, grabs that you can BREAK out if mid animation, weak projectile, and is killed easily...hes not even close to good in melee.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeKirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonolWhat about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p
Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.
Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.
As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.
Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.
Ruin your fun? lol please im venting. I never said the game was gonna suck and i had no inention of "ruining" anyones fun im just saying pepole have a right to be upset with the final roster. And they do and most are. Does this mean brawl will be any less cool? As you put it so gently "HECK NO" the good faaaaaar out ways the bad in this situation.
Im still rooting for krystal being the game though. Im just that stubron :D
Some more wi-fi and a nice look at the fire emblem stage:
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 21
Pictochat fun:
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 17
Yup you guessed it Warioware
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 22
Final destination is quite simply gorgeous
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 16
This will be where I halt my broswing of the site.
I must be strong!
I don't want anything more spoileded :3
shield your eyes and run, it can't be stopped, RUN!
Youre all gonna hate me for this but I cant help it
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 28
marths final smash total fire emblem 3 refrence.:D
No! Pichu is the strongest character ever! He can carry the whole universe.
i totally played as pichu today and nearly killed myself! :p and that wasnt on purpose, like it usually is :D
Root all you want. I have absolutely no trouble with people rooting for their own characters. There's plenty of characters I'm still rooting for even though the chances of more characters being in the game is so slim as to be non-existent. Rooting for more than what is there right now is why this game has reached the incredibly high mark that it is at already. And it's fine to miss things that aren't in the game, I just don't think anyone should complain about things being added.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonolKirbys one of the worst characters in the game. Predictable recovery, terrible range, awful prioity, grabs that you can BREAK out if mid animation, weak projectile, and is killed easily...hes not even close to good in melee.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeKirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonolWhat about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p
Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.
Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.
As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.
Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.
Ruin your fun? lol please im venting. I never said the game was gonna suck and i had no inention of "ruining" anyones fun im just saying pepole have a right to be upset with the final roster. And they do and most are. Does this mean brawl will be any less cool? As you put it so gently "HECK NO" the good faaaaaar out ways the bad in this situation.
Im still rooting for krystal being the game though. Im just that stubron :D
Some of Kirby's throws can be broken, but they are all fairly powerful. He's also got decent Smash power, good recovery (sorry, most recoverys are "predictable", as you put it, and Kirby's has good range and some ways to keep people guessing), fast normal attacks, and one hell of a versatile move selection. Yeah, the star projectile may suck, but when you eat Samus, Mewtwo, Fox, Falco, Link, Young Link, etcetera, you get access to some of the game's higher power and more fun projectiles. He's extremely well rounded, and, while he may not be perfect he is still one very useful little puffball.
Anyway, I'm liking the way the site's going now. I'm going to do my best to stop watching these insanely fun spoiler vids and pics, and just keep track of the main site. I probably won't succeed, but I'll make the effort.
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Originally Posted by SkybladeRoot all you want. I have absolutely no trouble with people rooting for their own characters. There's plenty of characters I'm still rooting for even though the chances of more characters being in the game is so slim as to be non-existent. Rooting for more than what is there right now is why this game has reached the incredibly high mark that it is at already. And it's fine to miss things that aren't in the game, I just don't think anyone should complain about things being added.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonolKirbys one of the worst characters in the game. Predictable recovery, terrible range, awful prioity, grabs that you can BREAK out if mid animation, weak projectile, and is killed easily...hes not even close to good in melee.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkybladeKirby is hardly "garbage tier". He may not be as godly as he was in the original, but he is still one of the best characters in the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonolWhat about game 1 to game 2? They didnt care then certainly (kirby went from top tier to garbage tier along with ness and yoshi) and what about roy, doc, and pichu mains? Its a different game after all so pepole should accept that in that regard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
35 characters for a fighting game based on the biggest video game company on the planet on a dual layered disk?! Im gonna have to disagree but i supose to each its own :p
Doc should never have been added. Mario already had a clone anyway, anyone who wants another is being way too picky.
Pichu was probably the single worst character in the game, and one of the least played. Combining the game's lightest character with attacks that also caused him to hurt himself was one of the strangest design choices in the game. I'm not at all surprised to see the suicidal little critter gone. Cuteness is not a substitute for a survival instinct.
As for Roy, well, I liked him, but I can see the trouble of keeping him in the game. There were constant complaints about him being essentially a weaker (overall) version of Marth. Since they had a new Fire Emblem hero to add in, and one who had a signature move that they could incorporate into his Final Smash and Up-B, I can understand the choice of Ike over Roy.
Are people going to be upset? Yes (although anyone upset about Doc leaving deserves to be upset, IMO). Will I miss some of the characters who are gone? Certainly. Do I think that some of them should have been put in instead of some of the newer characters? Yes. Does that mean that I should whine and complain and try to ruin the fun for the people who have been begging for these characters to join up for years? Heck, no.
Ruin your fun? lol please im venting. I never said the game was gonna suck and i had no inention of "ruining" anyones fun im just saying pepole have a right to be upset with the final roster. And they do and most are. Does this mean brawl will be any less cool? As you put it so gently "HECK NO" the good faaaaaar out ways the bad in this situation.
Im still rooting for krystal being the game though. Im just that stubron :D
Some of Kirby's throws can be broken, but they are all fairly powerful. He's also got decent Smash power, good recovery (sorry, most recoverys are "predictable", as you put it, and Kirby's has good range and some ways to keep people guessing), fast normal attacks, and one hell of a versatile move selection. Yeah, the star projectile may suck, but when you eat Samus, Mewtwo, Fox, Falco, Link, Young Link, etcetera, you get access to some of the game's higher power and more fun projectiles. He's extremely well rounded, and, while he may not be perfect he is still one very useful little puffball.
Anyway, I'm liking the way the site's going now. I'm going to do my best to stop watching these insanely fun spoiler vids and pics, and just keep track of the main site. I probably won't succeed, but I'll make the effort.
Wow this is piling on nicely. Two of kirbys throws can be broken. His up throw and down throw are the only guranteed throws. Throws arent useful because of their "power" there used to set up for combos or chain grabs. Kirbys down throw can easily be punished by floatier characters (like luigi...grr) with a neutral air. Kirbys up throw sets up for up air combos but thats it and that can EASILY be DI'ed out of. When i say predictable i mean "easy" to edgeguard. Kirby lags after each jump so its not hard to predict where hes gonna go and what hes gonna do (If he goes for a swallowcide you simply wait because hes gonna lose vertical plus he doesnt go far with each jump). With marth and roys recovery they can at least delay theres at set intervals with their over b's. Dk at least has knock back on his and good horizontal recovery. Mario and doc can fire ball and pill spam to intimidate edge guarders. Even pichu can hug ledges with his up b. His "fast" attacks as i said before have NO priority and power so there meaningless unless for juggles. Watch competitive kirbys, they abuse no b attacks. Why? Because if they miss the swallow they can be punished and even if they do get the move they lose after about 2-3 hits anyways. Versitle? This i wont argue...but none of his moves are all that useful. His hammer blows (to laggy) and his down b is predictable if used offensivly and can easily be punished with a grab. But he is a fun little dude (mewtwo kirby is the bomb...to bad we'll never see him again ((or will we? muhahaha)) :( )
Nice to see your dedication to avoid spoilers. I know i couldnt do it :p
Good luck
The quote pyramid is unneeded and cumbersome, so I won't continue it.
We will have Lucario Kirby instead of Mewtwo Kirby, since Lucario seems to have inherited Mewtwo's Shadow Ball. Sure, it's technically a different move, but it has the same gameplay, from what I've seen. So we won't lose much.
I agree that Kirby's forward and backward throws are largely useless (unless you are really good with your timing, in which case any of his throws are very dangerous), but his up and down throws have plenty of uses.
Kirby's recoveries are only easy to edgeguard if you have an unimaginative Kirby player. His aerial attacks and up and down B moves make him a lot harder to edgeguard. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, but I still feel that Kirby is one of the best characters in the game. That's all I'll say about him, since we're supposed to be talking about Brawl, not arguing about Kirby's awesomeness.
Anyway, the only thing I've seen about this game that I haven't liked is the repetition of Final Smashes. Everything else, the more I see, the happier I get. This game has a huge lineup of characters, stages, items, and game modes. Sure, there are some things that had to be trimmed down. We don't get Target Tests built for each character anymore, we don't get all of the characters from the last game, we don't get all the old stages. But it is so worth it.
who was it that wanted Krystal? Here
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f3...brawlcameo.jpg
anyways, I guess no one is paying attention to the smash Dojo anymore, but they're going to start revealing the secrets, probably how to unlock them, and with the characters, probably their movesets.
THE JACKEL
First thing I check every day. I'm just going to try to limit myself to only seeing the secrets that the Dojo reveals. So you guys will probably find out neato stuff before I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Kirby stinks to high heaven! But your entitled to your opinion as well so we'll leave it at that. Fun debate though i supose. Nice to see you know at least something about what your talking about.
............................I was the krystal wanter...
GRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY WHY WHY!!!!
WAAAGH!!! :mad: :( :cry:
Ok new gameplan...im gonna keep telling myself that the delay for americans is longer because sakuri is swapping wolf for krystal lol
im in sever denial yall! Watch out!
(And if i comes to it ill main that uhh...picture thingy if i have too!!!) *shakes fist to the heavens* Damn you sakuri :mad2: !! Thanks for all the other sweet stuff (arenas and music especially) :p but dammn you!!! :mad2:
ZERO SUIT SAMUS is playable as a starter/independant character!
Selecting Zero Suit Samus
To use Zero Suit Samus at the start of a match, select Samus on the character screen and hold the following button before the match starts with the corresponding controller that is being used:
Gamecube/Classic controller: Hold the R button
Wii Remote with Nunchuk: Hold the Z button
Wii Remote: Hold the Minus (-) button
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Kirby is awesome and you all just BE QUIET! :cry: :p I stand by the fact that people may not like him because they're not particularly good with him...which is what i believe with all characters, at the end of the day, it's how well you can use them, and if they're your favourite 'personality' character, then they're bound to become your favourite (and best) fighting character. Not many people liked Mewtwo because he was hard to use, but he was my main and i loved him...so yeah, it just depends.
It IS nice to see somebody who knows what they're talking about, but please, don't insult Kirby more by putting him down WITH bad spelling :mad: :p I know, that's harsh, but honestly, if you're trying to say 'you are' it's "you're", and if you're trying to give ownership, it's "your"...this has got to be the thing that annoys me most with misspellings :p (along with 'their', 'there', and 'they're') and im sorry to bring that up, i know that's not what this thread is aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Monol
Although this is a good feature, i think i'd start off with normal Samus anyway, i mean, Zero Suit Samus' final smash is to get a normal Samus suit...LAME...this wouldnt be as bad if you'd already used one final smash...but honestly, it's a waste...Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
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Originally Posted by Creeping Shadow
<3
Also, I guess I've already spoiled it all for myself.
R.O.B ftw.
yeah, im really looking forward to seeing what R.O.B. can do, so if anybody finds a video, post away :D
EDIT: found one :D (SPOILER)it also had game and watch's final smash :)
Apparently Ness is to Lucas as Falco is to Fox. :P
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except sometimes smash balls are turned off, player's choice of course. Not only that, but Zero Suit Samus plays very different from the Samus with her suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by .:kerrod:.Although this is a good feature, i think i'd start off with normal Samus anyway, i mean, Zero Suit Samus' final smash is to get a normal Samus suit...LAME...this wouldnt be as bad if you'd already used one final smash...but honestly, it's a waste...Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
As for Ness, that's extremely easy to unlock. I have a good feeling most characters are very easy to unlock, at least the ones that were in the old games.
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I'm betting ROB might be a bit tricky to unlock. He was a pain in the ass in Mario Kart DS. :P
lol och u bige meeneey!!! But seriously im done with the kirby bashing. Hes had enough and he actually looks pretty rockin in brawl (wish i could say the same about mewtwo...:( cool that your a mewtwo main though *salutes* )Quote:
Originally Posted by .:kerrod:.
Im actually really impressed with ness's differences in regards to lucas. I just might pick up ness again after all. Game and watch looks awsome! Anyone else notice it looks like you can float with his parachute this time?! R.O.B is uhh....uhh... a very cool joke character :p
Oh and jiggs offically has the scariest final smash *shudders in fear*
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 60 (FINAL SMASH)
every person's final smash
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
Awesome vid you beat me to it.
ah, my mouth is watering...yummy...now i just have to work on getting a Wii :(
The subspace emissary cut scenes are awesome. Lucas looks so cute when he runs away.
I also like the way Ness saves his ass.
after watching many matches with wolf in them, he seems very different from fox. Sure he has some similar moves, but he just seems a lot different to me. And different in a way that I want to be him... badly. He may be my main.
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for future reference, can we put all 'subspace emissary' things in spoiler tags and warn that it's about that? i know you didnt reveal anything, but just if anybody is going to do it...that's one thing i DON'T want spoiled
GotFrag DPAD - Nintendo Wii News Story - Square-Enix the Reason for Original Brawl Delay?
That's pretty mean Square-Enix
I agree. Though, we've already been spoiled on every other aspect of the game. It would be odd to put "Spoilers!" and have the spoiler be Ness, wouldn't it? :tongue:
yeah, that's pretty low, man, especially when they're not gonna use it again/make a profit off it again...what has this world become?:rolleyes2 :p in saying that, however, i've never played that game and therefore, don't know why he's so loved...so i dont really mind :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Ashley Schovitz
i know, but i just dont wanna know the storyline and who teams up and stuff, even though i already know a lot of the teams :( but yeah, no story or anything :) :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
I'll be damned if that's true about Geno
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I really doubt it.
My only dissapointment is NEss's Final Smash.
Rather then Starstorm, PK Rockin' so should have been his final smash.
I'd suggest that when doing so, Ness fires off several waves of Psycic bursts around him in a large area, causing high damage to all who enter.
Either that, or do massive damage to all in a smaller area, and doesn't have much knock back power.
One of those two would be better then Starstorm I think.
I guess I was wrong about Marth's Final Smash. I'm somewhat glad I am though. :D
Even though it's somewhat hard to aim with, it's so dangerous. It's probably strongest single strike Final Smash. :D
What game is it from?Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
I really don't see why Square would be okay with adding Geno then changing their mind and making Nintendo remove him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashley Schovitz
Yeah. I was really expecting it to be PSI Rockin as well. Oh well...Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
The only other final smashes that seemed just as deadly as marth's were Zelda/Sheiks light arrow and captain olimars final smash.
BTW does anyone else seem to think donkey kongs FS is a little on the useless side?
Now this freaks me right the smurf out. Japanese perverts.
Ganondorf's final smash killed the guy at 0% from the middle of the stage tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Creeping Shadow
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Ugh the height of matrurity...:sweatdropQuote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Oh yeah how could I forget ganondorf considering I play as him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9Ganondorf's final smash killed the guy at 0% from the middle of the stage tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Creeping Shadow
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Im skeptical about DKs Final smash. In some videos it appears to be the worst but ive seen some where its range looks amazing. The site mentioned somthing about pressing buttons with the beat to add to its effectivness but im curious to see how that works exactly.
I hope theres different songs somtimes to change it up. Could be fun :p
Ice climbers and zeldas are my fav. final smashes though. Links was my favorite until toon link had the same thing *sigh*
Yeah you think theyd do something with the wind waker or something but oh well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monol
Captain Falcons Port City racetrack is a stage woot!
I'm wondering why they've cofirmed so much Captain Falcon stuff, his levels, assist trophies, etc... But they haven't officially confirmed him yet.
Its gotta be his nipples :greenie: Sakuri doesnt think the world can handle so much manlyness just yet.
Something to note is that Peach has a different pair of underwear on in this game.
I don't really like how Port Town has replaced Mute City. They're both really cool stages that I'd want in even though having them both would be redundant. I guess as long as they have the SSBM Mute City music available I'll be happy enough.
Anyways, I find it really awesome how ROB (SPOILER)is really the Ancient Minister and he joins the good guys and goes against the Subspace Army once Ganondorf takes over command of it. It makes me like ROB as a character even more. This probably means that the real main bad guy is Ganondorf and those trophy transforming villains like Wario and Dedede.
The Melee stages will be returning in BrawlQuote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
Not all of them, though. Is Mute City really one of them?
Sakurai said that he's brought back a number of stages that appeared in the last game. He said it here
Smash Bros. DOJO!!
as far as I know, no, but Big Blue returns from meleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9as far as I know, no, but Big Blue returns from meleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
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Yay my favorite stage :D
To answer your question about why Captain Falcon isn't updated yet it's probably because they're updating secret characters in order from the least Vs. matches required to unlock them to the most which explains why Ness was the first one updated.
Ness: 5 Vs. Matches
Marth: 10 Vs. Matches
Luigi: 22 Vs. Matches
Falco: 50 Vs. Matches
Captain Falcon: 70 Vs. Matches
Lucario: 100 Vs. Matches
Snake: 130 Vs. Matches
R.O.B: 160 Vs. Matches
Ganondorf: 200 Vs. Matches
Mr. Gane & Watch: 250 Vs. Matches
Sonic: 300 Vs. Matches
Jigglypuff: 350 Vs. Matches
Toon Link: 400 Vs. Matches
Wolf: 450 Vs. Matches
So if my theory is correct Captain Falcon will be the 5th one to be updated.
I also like Big Blue since the cars are no longer hazards but platforms which is a big change from Mute City. The scenery going upside down is also fun. Especially when you distract others telling them the sky is upside down messing them up. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Creeping ShadowYay my favorite stage :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ljkkjlcm9
YouTube - SSBB Taunt Compilation
Taunts galor! (Uhh did i spell that right?! O_o)
Luigis taunt should be its own game.
Toon link and pikachu have some of my favorites but the taunts in this game are hardcore! (wish sonic had his impatient "im waiting" taunt though...*sigh)
Jigglypuff takes that many vs. matches to unlock? xP She was unlockable by beating the game on any difficulty in the other games. xD
That's what I've read on Gamespot and Gamewinners.
Here's a link that links you to major Spoilers about the SSE.
Major (SPOILER)I really don't like how they made Sonic appear at the last second without him enduring a lot of harsh trials like the other characters did. It's quite a biased thing for Nintendo to be doing especially with a character they don't own. They almost make it seem like all the other characters and what they did don't matter since Sonic just takes care of the Final Boss himself and frees practically everyone else from being in their trophy form. He doesn't deserve to be the hero, not after doing anything until the final boss while almost everyone was helping out fight against the Subspace Army. This is exactly why I didn't want Sonic in Brawl.
Stop caring about stupid stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
there are multiple ways to unlock charactersQuote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
(SPOILER)
Captain Falcon
Beat Classic in 20 minutes or less then defeat him in the following match
or 70 VS matches
Falco
Beat 100-man brawl
or play 50 VS matches
Ganondorf
Clear Classic on Hard with Link or Zelda
OR play 200 VS. matches
Jigglypuff
Complete Classic Mode with any character other than Ike
or Complete Event Match 20
or 350 VS matches
Lucario
Defeat in SSE with Meta Knight
or Complete 5 Target Tests with any character
or 100 VS matches
Luigi
Complete Classic Mode on Easy
or 22 VS matches
Marth
Complete Classic Mode using Ike
or 10 VS matches
Mr. Game & Watch
Beat classic mode with every character
or 250 VS matches
Ness
Play five matches
OR Reflect ten projecticles AND meet Ness in SSE.
R.O.B. (Robot)
Play 160 VS. matches
Snake
Play 10 matches on Shadow Moses Island
or 130 VS matches
Sonic
Complete the Subspace Emissary
or 300 VS matches
Toon Link
Finish the Classic mode as Link
or 400 VS matches
Wolf:
In the stage "Iseki" (Ruins) skip the first door you pass when being lowered in to the pit. Instead enter the second door at the bottom
or 450 VS matches
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(SPOILER)Don't you think that it should've been a Nintendo character/characters defeating the Final Boss and not just Sonic defeating him solo? I mean, sure it's one thing to add third party characters, but to give them a role that makes everyone elses role worthless?! Nintendo's practically killed Brawl. I mean why couldn't they at least have had you able to choose which character to defeat the final boss with? Even if a lot of people would choose only Snake and Sonic to defeat the final boss with, it's better than being able to choose no one but Sonic to defeat the final boss with. It's really awkward for Nintendo to show that much disregard to their own characters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
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Originally Posted by Evastio
Yeah that is kinda messed up but I guess nintendo wanted to promote the crap out of sonic or something. Either that or they were just trying to make him look cool.
The moment I start to care about the climax of the story in a game that could easily be one of SuperMillionaire's stupid-ass mass crossover fanfics is the day I swallow a length of barbed wire, pull the other end out of my ass, and floss myself to death.
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Originally Posted by Roto13
Man that was really descriptive.....:O_O:
Don't be mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Anyway, I think that this game will be even more successful than its predecessors since they are focusing on providing extra content in addition to all of the multiplayer functions.
You choose who you want to fight and defeat the final boss. It seems that That Character only shows up at the final boss, but he does not in fact defeat him unless you choose to play as him.
(SPOILER)In fact, you choose 5 characters to play as, and each character has 1 life/stock. When one gets KO'd, the next comes in.
YouTube - Specific Taunt for Fox vs Falco
How cool is that?
Pretty dern cool. I like the little character-specific interactions like that in fighting games.
Pretty cool that they do that. Really shows how much detail they're putting in there. The Star Fox characters have a lot of character to them, too, it seems.
Edit: In the third of the money matches between Gimpyfish and Lucky, Knuckles made an appearance. Competitive footage and Knuckles cameo here. The cameo is at about 2:15.
I hope you're right. You got any videos showing that?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKTrix
I know it's just a game but it's still quite upsetting. I mean, would you want the storyline of Soul Calibur 4 to force you to use Darth Vader or Yoda for the final battle? It's weird enough for them to be in the game but forcing them into the most important role is wrong because the characters that are supposed to be in those games shouldn't be that disregarded compared to 3rd party characters. But as I said before it's just a game and everyone might not find it that disappointing but you do have to admit that it's quite strange for Nintendo to be doing that right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13
Spoilers in Links!
All of the Final Smashes and Characters:
YouTube - Super Smash Bros Brawl Gameplay Video 60 (FINAL SMASH)
Edit
Here you go EvastioQuote:
I hope you're right. You got any videos showing that?
psst... your first link was already posted a few pages back... by yours truly
http://forums.eyesonff.com/2414809-post1275.html
Second video... I'm not gonna watch. I don't mind knowing the characters and stages, but I've avoided as much of the story as I can
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Sorry didn't read farther back. :p
Thanks!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sagensyg
(SPOILER)It's a huge relief knowing that you can choose which characters you want to use for the final battle instead of having them chosen for you. Even though it didn't show all 5 characters being used I'm glad it's official that you are at least able to choose who to use for the final battle.
Also, the First Songs in My Music in the DOJO now have the Port Town Aero Drive and The Final Destination (which I think should've remained unlockable and not have you start with it) Music listed.
Fox: "your not ready yet falco"Quote:
Originally Posted by Monol
Haha what a jerk :lol:
I hope wolf uses one of his amazing lines
"Your good but im better" :cool:
Fixed, with a better link (longer, shows the 5 characters).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sagensyg
This shows the entire fight though, and I'd reccomend not watching all of it. There are some pretty surprising things in there. Not like this is a 'spoiler safe' thread anyway, but some of the stuff that Taboo does has a kind of 'lol rape' effect to it.
Lots of nice new Assist Trophies up on Dojo. After two level updates in a row, getting a good, solid update is nice.
Ganon is ruined! :(
He walks, moves and looks like a retard now. :(
AND... he has been nerfed. :(
What? He seems to be just fine. Sure, he runs like an idiot, but he's fat, so that makes sense.
I say his FS certainly makes up for his protigous girth :p
Marth on the dojo :D
Smash Bros. DOJO!!
By Video... Final Destination is absolutely Spectacular.
It almost feels like you're fighting through the Time Compression Scene from FFVIII :P!
:D
Now you have a spoiler right in your sig. xP Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creeping Shadow
His aerials, f-tilt and standard A-jab are all much slower than they used to be in Melee + he can no longer use his Down B for recovery.:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
He cant recover with his down b?! Ouch :( Screw his F-tilt...the slower the better (more intimdating edge guard muhahaha) his jab is his fastest move which is kind of a shame. Can captain falcon still recover with his down b? Maybe we'll find another way to recover with the guys?
You just never know...:p
I hadn't noticed those. That kinda stinks... :( But, even so, it seems like he can be used well. I've seen some matches on Youtube with him, and he seems all right. :monster:
Yay Marth!!! :D (Even though Creeping Shadow beat me to it)
I'm glad they finally updated my best (and most favourite) character. And judging by what they said his Counter seems to be powered up without any drawbacks at all. I'm really looking forward to using him in Brawl. :D
I guess I was also right about my Secret Character Updating Order Theory. :D
I'm glad it's confirmed for sure now. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JKTrixFixed, with a better link (longer, shows the 5 characters).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sagensyg
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roto13Now you have a spoiler right in your sig. xP Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Creeping Shadow
Yeah well... it was inevitable :p
Re: Dojo
(SPOILER)Lucario on Monday?
People had already figured out the 'hold shield to pick Zero Samus (Zamus)' thing, but I hadn't seen the 'rapid taunt to shed Samus' armour'.
This makes me happy. :P I think the last paragraph implies that you can get the armour back just as easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKTrix
I'm glad the dojo has finally explained a lot of mysteries surrounding Zero Suit Samus. Especially being able to switch back and forth with her suit.
The Enemies and Allies update is talking about Lucario when they say "there is one character who has a rather unusual method by which they can distinguish friend from foe..." who I don't think will be the next character updated. It would be awesome if he was, don't get me wrong there. But I'm still strongly thinking that they're updating characters in order from the least to most amount of Vs. Matches needed to unlock them (and so far Ness and Marth totally fit for that).
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Originally Posted by Evastio
Either that or they wanted to get all the secret characters you see in the intro out of the way.
Wavedashing is gone, it seems. It's been replaced with a minijump designed to dispel your momentum rather than manipulating for a faster move speed. I guess people will have to find some other way to manipulate the physics of the game.
Moves now have diminishing returns, in an attempt to stop people from just spamming one move over and over (not that it's stopped that, from what I've seen of some of the videos).
A pivot grab has been added. Run one way, switch direction, and grab on to your opponent. It increases most people's grab range, though I wonder what it will do to people with grapple grabs.
The principles of the laser show up in Brawl. The more a beam bounces back and forth between reflectors, the more powerful it gets, until it is strong enough to break through one of the reflectors.
There's a couple more small changes up. It's nice to see the level of detail they're putting into this.
I was really impressed by this update. It seems sakuri really is aiming to make this game a whole new experience.
The new "tech" seems neat (Whats with the name? 0_o) and eating on the ground is a dream come true :p I also read somewhere your characters can randomly trip.
I want to master this "trip"...I shall call it "Trip dashing". You all wait and see...wait and see ill mess with the pysics of this game yet!
When it comes out of course ;)
What's wrong with calling it Ukemi? I'm pretty sure it's a common name for this kind of thing. In SC3, they called it the same thing in the tutorial. Even so, since it's just on the site, I'm thinking more people will still call it "teching".
Nothings wrong with it. I love it actually i just wandering what it meant and where did it come from. :greenie:
I know all those techniques, I used them for about 10 years as I learned Ju-jitsu and AikidoQuote:
Originally Posted by Rase
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Congrats.
Also, I lol'd.
http://forums.eyesonff.com/attachmen...awl-falcon.jpg
Hah hah. I can imagine Samus and Zelda wanting one of those really badly and Link and Ganondorf getting really jealous of Captain Falcon. Maybe Peach as well. (People give weird looks) Well it is kind of obvious that Ganondorf does have feelings for Zelda. Also, here's Captain Falcon's New Theme Song.
Anyways, today's update was nice. It's good to know that you can use the Ukemi on walls and ceilings, the glancing blows not making enemies flinch like they did in the previous games, (hope this won't affect Marth badly since that's his main strength though) and pivot grabs being able to increase your grab range by a lot (it may take quite a lot of practice to master though).
I was kind of hoping that crawling and wall clinging would be explained though. I guess that update will be for another day.
If I recall correctly, if you walked off the left side of the screen in Mario Brothers (or at least the version of it in SMB3), you would come out on the right side. This is going to mess with me in Smash.
I wonder, do the enemies go to the opposite side of the screen when they go into the right or left side?
I'm wondering if the POW blocks are going to be used.
I'm pretty sure they are. There was a Youtube Video I saw of the stage, and one of the players very commonly used it.
It also answered my question on enemies. :p They do loop.
There's the video. There are a few events put in that video, though, so if you don't want to see them, you'd best not view. :monster:
It's nice to see some more classic style levels. I like how they even kept the Mario Bros. like gameplay complete with the bouncy floor and the flipping over of enemies. :D
I wouldn't be suprised if they updated Luigi soon.
http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/upl...ario-kirby.jpg
Also I love the wind waker stage. :D
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Originally Posted by Demon Dude
http://forums.eyesonff.com/attachmen...wl-ikechar.jpg
Looks like I'm right once again. :D
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/chara...03_080215a.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/chara...03_080215b.jpg
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/chara...03_080215d.jpg
It's nice to see Luigi finally getting his chance to shine on the dojo. It's also really good to know that he's keeping his Luigi Cyclone. (I preferred Mario's Cyclone attacks more than F.L.U.D.D.) I especially like his new taunt (where he switches poses crazy fast). And although they didn't explain where his Negative Zone Final Smash came from I'm glad they explained how it works. :D
I guess that means Falco is next. And then Captain Falcon. (which'll make a lot of you happy)
Krystal would have made me happier...:cry: WAGGGH!!!!
Im kind of looking forward to falco though. Id like to offically hear some of the differences with falco from fox this time around.
I cant wait to see Falco hes the only one that owns just as much as marth!! :cool:
If they don't include Tails from Sonic, I'm going to go down to Nintendo Corporation and slap sum dat booty.
The final roster was revealed weeks ago. He's not in itQuote:
Originally Posted by vivi_lover666
Good to see you're accepting it and moving on in such a healthy fashion. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Monol
I've heard that some people have put the disc's data onto their PC's and read some of the Data. Allegedly, in the section where all the characters were, file-names that implied the following characters were found:
Roy
Pichu OR Plusle and Minum.
Mewtwo
Dr. Mario
Dixie Kong
Toon Zelda
Toon Sheik
Along with file names implying alternative victory music for every character in the game, including those 7.
However, the most accepted guess is that those pieces of data are empty, and are just place-holders on the disc. Would be cool if there was downloadable content, but I doubt it'll happen. :choc2: Plus I've seen no proof that the data was even extracted.
Figured I'd post anyway. :p But it's just an anonymous rumor.
Edit: I was provided this list on another forum, which is allegedly the file list of the Characters Section.
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\effect\fighter\ef_popo.pac, size:54816 off:2AC90820
\effect\fighter\ef_pra_mai.pac, size:128 off:2AC9DE40
\effect\fighter\ef_purin.pac, size:106720 off:2AC9DEC0
\effect\fighter\ef_robot.pac, size:305120 off:2ACB7FA0
\effect\fighter\ef_roy.pac, size:128 off:2AD02780
\effect\fighter\ef_samus.pac, size:102688 off:2AD02800
\effect\fighter\ef_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2AD1B920
\effect\fighter\ef_snake.pac, size:195904 off:2AD1B9A0
\effect\fighter\ef_sonic.pac, size:239232 off:2AD4B6E0
\effect\fighter\ef_szerosuit.pac, size:133280 off:2AD85D60
\effect\fighter\ef_toonlink.pac, size:102048 off:2ADA6600
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_sheik.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF4A0
\effect\fighter\ef_toon_zelda.pac, size:128 off:2ADBF520
\effect\fighter\ef_wario.pac, size:78464 off:2ADBF5A0
\effect\fighter\ef_warioman.pac, size:128 off:2ADD2820
\effect\fighter\ef_wolf.pac, size:108160 off:2ADD28A0
\effect\fighter\ef_yoshi.pac, size:92640 off:2ADECF20
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoball.pac, size:128 off:2AE03900
\effect\fighter\ef_zakoboy.pac, size:128 off:2AE03980
\effect\fighter\ef_zakochild.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A00
\effect\fighter\ef_zakogirl.pac, size:128 off:2AE03A80
\effect\fighter\ef_zelda.pac, size:155776 off:2AE03B00
Something I find interesting is that every clone character, like Gkoopa (Giga Bowser), the Zakos (Fighting Alloys), Pra_mai (Plusle and Minum? Pichu, maybe?) have a size of 128. I'm assuming he copied and pasted the entire list from a folder rather than make the whole list himself, so perhaps that's why the exact amount isn't shown.
Anyway, the lack of file size in so many characters is probably because they either don't have a move-set for them, or they borrow the move-set of another character. For example, we already know Giga Bowser does NOT have a move-set for himself. He's just Bowser, but with stat alterations. But then we have Mewtwo on that list, who is also at 128.
Something that would be nice would be the ability to see more than file names. Or a new AR. :tongue:
Yeah right the person that said this is so full it. They probably just want to spread a dumb rumor (BTW Kentarou Im not calling you a liar im calling the people that said this a liar.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kentarou
Quite a dedicated liar, especially considering the list. :mog:
My guess is that it's the Negative Zone from SMB2. Just a thought though. Wouldn't explain it's effects, but it'd account for the name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
I spoil myself but I just gave in and watched the whole of the subspace emissary.
Actually i heard somwhere that luigis trophy explains his FS. It sames somthing along the lines of the negative zone adhering to luigi being over shadowed all the time. This creates this negative energy and is built up to use on his foes.
Thats just what i heard though :p
Man I hope thats true because thats the ultimate irony of nintendoQuote:
Originally Posted by Monol
Luigi: Now mario feel what you have done to me all these years!!
Mario: aughhhh!!
Luigi now for miyamoto!! DUN DUN DUN!!
Confirmed for Brawl?
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g9.../confirmed.jpg
If only that had come out before the release. I would have lol'ed soooo much xD
Ha another forum I was on had the same thing lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by I Took the Red Pill
Hmm I may have found my new main...(even though it should have been krystal...waggh!!!)
One donkey kong is enough.
Yup luigi,s mansion looks like a cool stage but a little uninventive. Oh well Im sure it will be cool none the less.
Britney should not be in Brawl. Mr. Bean and Bill Cosby deserve it a lot more than she does.
I'm glad they confirmed the Ice Climbers' advanced special techniques being in (like the Squall Hammer recovery and the one sided Blizzard with both Ice Climbers). If only they kept Marth's Dancing Blade recovery though...
Also, here's something I found on Brawl Central.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i1...vezonecopy.png
Ha ha ha nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
On Brawl Central I found a video that shows everyone's running speed. The character speeds weren't what I was expecting.
Also here's another Brawl Central picture that's more disturbing than funny. :yuck:
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...ssmarthkh4.jpg
I should really stop hanging around there so much.
:eek: wow thats quite an interesting picture...Quote:
Originally Posted by Evastio
Looks like the different Landmasters have different attributes.
Apparently Falco's is lighter and can fly farther.
not only that, it's pretty cool that he can actually kick his reflector shield and use it as an attack and not be directly on top of someoneQuote:
Originally Posted by Demon Dude
THE JACKEL
Falco Kick.
Yeah, I thought that was neat when I read it.
I'm guessing that, since playing through the Subspace Emissary seems to require you to use every character, and that you can't run through it with just one character, that the trophy awards will be implemented a little differently (you had gotten an extra trophy for any character you completed Adventure Mode with).
They better have made that official roster FAKE! D:<Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossbladesThe final roster was revealed weeks ago. He's not in itQuote:
Originally Posted by vivi_lover666
for those uninterested in watching the running speed video, I took the liberty of noting them
worst: Jigglypuff
next: Gannondorf
next: Dedede, zelda
next: wario, peach, luigi, snake, link
next: Ike, squirtle, kirby
next: Olimar, Ness, Wolf, Ice climbers
next: Lucario, Falco
next: Samus
next: Lucas, ROB, Bowser, Ivysaur, Mario
next: Game and Watch
next: Pit
next: Toon Link, Donkey Kong
next: Yoshi
next: Diddy, Marth
next: Charizard, Pikachu
next: metaknight
next: Sheik, Zero-Suit Samus
next: Fox
next: Captain Falcon
Fastest, by far: Sonic
of course, this is just land speed
THE JACKEL
I enjoyed the Earthbound music playing in that speed video.
I'm liking Falco's new design and his attack changes. I hope he's still as (if not more) effective as he was in Melee. Too bad it didn't show how far he kicks his reflector.
Me too. I'm wondering if the remixed part of it is from Brawl though.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeoCracker
Also, thanks for the list ljkkjlcm9.
Bowser's Special Moves are up. He's gotten quite a remake since the Melee. His Side-B is excellent, and his Down-B looks a little different too.
Oh, and a description of Meteor Smashes is up as well.
Ha Bowsers pulling an izuna drop for his side special.
Tomorrow is Sakurai's presentation at the Game Developers Conference. As the title indicates, GDC is for the game developers. Sakurai will likely be talking more about creating the game than the content of the game itself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JKTrix
That seems a little unnecesary considering the game has already been out in japan for awhile.
I don't quite follow you.
It just seems unececary to me considering the games already out for him to be talking about the devolopment of it. But it doesnt really matter thats just my opionion.
Actually id love to hear why he did what he did and what approaches he took. I cant wait for tommorow in that regard cause im curious about some things and i need my answers in order enjoy brawl to the fullest.
I think its great what hes DOING just not what he DID...poor krystal...*does the usual crying ritual*
O_O Jeez sonic is hella fast....(Duh right? :p )
REVERSE FALCON PAAAAAANCH!
But yeah, like I mentioned, the conference is for game developers--people who make games. I suppose the average consumer doesn't care about how the game was made and just wants to play it. But people who make games, who might be interested in making a game like smash, or even people who like to know about behind-the-scenes stuff would find some value in what Sakurai has to say.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JKTrix
I will admit that it does sound interesting but I dont know this is something I would have much rather wanted to hear about while the game was still in devolopment.
In b4 Evastio complaining about Captain Falcon being slower than a 3rd party character.
I'm such a geek. :whimper:
When I was making my lunch earlier I just blurted out Falcon luuuuunch. Luckily I don't think anyone heard me.
quick links to the GDC thing before i leave work
GDC08: Sakurai on Super Smash Bros. Brawl development - Joystiq
Gdc08: Liveblogging Sakurai's Super Smash Bros. Brawl Design Talk