Wakka is the best character, discuss

[Jinx]

I know it's a little late, and I know it's off topic: but no, you can't use the word retarded like that. I am really pretty offended by the word used in that context, as I work with people who are, in fact, retarded.

And maybee, you're wrong. I agree that Wakka isn't a well-written character, but Pike is right. You don't always LIKE the characters you're reading about, but that doesn't mean that they aren't good characters. If they're bringing out an emotional response in you because of how they are as a character, they author has done something right. Try reading Valley of the Dolls, Revolutionary Road, or Lolita. They're all books which deal with unlikeable people with severe issues, but have deep, interesting, and thought-provoking characters that make you uncomfortable and have to evaluate your thoughts about them, as well as the possible sympathies that spring up, especially when you know they're bad "people."

[Loony BoB]

"You're wrong" is a terrible argument to bring up when dealing with opinions. maybee's perfectly within her rights to say "I don't think he's a good character."

[Jinx]

"You're wrong" is a terrible argument to bring up when dealing with opinions. maybee's perfectly within her rights to say "I don't think he's a good character."

That wasn't what I said at all.

[Ouch!]

I was told to come over to the Wakka thread and re-iterate a point I made in the Game of Thrones thread about how introducing a character who exemplifies some negative quality (such as Wakka's religious zealotry) is not an endorsement of that attitude or a sign that it is a bad character...

But I really just wanted to chime in and express my thoughts that Wakka's development is ham-fisted, dull, and predictable. He is one of my least favorite characters in the game, because I feel he contributes very little to the game beyond comedic relief. I can at least give the writers credit for attempting to roll the obligatory comic relief character in with another trope, which, I guess, is more interesting than solely embodying just one or the other.

[Pike]

I'VE BEEN TRICKED

[Aulayna]

Denied.

Rin is the best character in X.

I mean, he's EVERYWHERE - plus he's so classy.

[maybee]

"You're wrong" is a terrible argument to bring up when dealing with opinions. maybee's perfectly within her rights to say "I don't think he's a good character."

Thank You.

And everybody is in their right to think that Wakka is a good character and the best character of course. c:

That wasn't what I said at all.

And maybee, you're wrong.

*Coughs loudly *

[Shauna]

She was saying you were wrong in your stating that Wakka could not be a good character because he was racist. You may dislike him for being so, and that is perfectly acceptable, but that doesn't automatically make him a bad character.

We are disagreeing with your implication that no characters with negative characteristics can be good characters because of their flaws, which is really just... wrong.

[Loony BoB]

"You're wrong" is a terrible argument to bring up when dealing with opinions. maybee's perfectly within her rights to say "I don't think he's a good character."

That wasn't what I said at all.

She was saying you were wrong in your stating that Wakka could not be a good character because he was racist. You may dislike him for being so, and that is perfectly acceptable, but that doesn't automatically make him a bad character.

We are disagreeing with your implication that no characters with negative characteristics can be good characters because of their flaws, which is really just... wrong.

Apologies, I misinterpreted.

[Jinx]

"You're wrong" is a terrible argument to bring up when dealing with opinions. maybee's perfectly within her rights to say "I don't think he's a good character."

That wasn't what I said at all.

She was saying you were wrong in your stating that Wakka could not be a good character because he was racist. You may dislike him for being so, and that is perfectly acceptable, but that doesn't automatically make him a bad character.

We are disagreeing with your implication that no characters with negative characteristics can be good characters because of their flaws, which is really just... wrong.

Apologies, I misinterpreted.

No worries. And thanks, Shauna.

Maybee, generally when people give a reason AFTER they say you're wrong, they're not just flat out saying you're wrong.

[Quindiana Jones]

People taking offence at the word "retarded" annoys the piss out of me. By taking offence at a word that means someone is thick, you are connecting stupidity with mental disability. You're the asshole.

I like Wakka's face.

[Jinx]

People taking offence at the word "retarded" annoys the piss out of me. By taking offence at a word that means someone is thick, you are connecting stupidity with mental disability. You're the asshole.

I like Wakka's face.

No. Mental retardation is a medical diagnosis. Connecting the word stupid to "retard" is what's offensive. Your argument is backwards.

[Quindiana Jones]

The term was created because of the meaning of the word retard. It means slow, and it also means stupid. Then mental disabilities were discovered, and the connection was made due to doctors at the time kind of being assholes. Your understanding of language is backwards.

Since I am the curious sort, I decided to get my Googling hat on. Discovered the term "euphemism treadmill". It's basically the principle that any word used to describe certain scenarios - such as mental disabilities - will eventually become offensive (people are dicks) and will need to be changed. Mental retardation was already outdated by the time of its creation; it's offensively outdated now.

A bad person can be a good character. Were this not the case, there would be very few good characters in any medium. Wakka is an awesome character because he is a bad person.

[Laddy]

Dear God this thread has become a battleground. It's like a goddamn wasteland.

War. War never changes.

[TrollHunter]

Man, I never knew that wakkas hair could cause such controversy.