Squall is not really a lone wolf he just does not talk much.
Squall is not really a lone wolf he just does not talk much.
He is a lone wolf, hes seen as a loner. Bascially someone who would rather be alone.
Given the choice you have to choose what he says or thinks, I wouldn't say much either. LOLOriginally Posted by gamewizzard16
But really, Squall is the only 'real' character in this game because he's a loner and as a orphan child, he's gotten used to it. Everyone leaves no one stays.
Big Sis, Matron Edea, Zell, Irvine, Quistis, Selphie. Sure he 'forgot' about the other 'siblings' but Big Sis leaving was a turning point for him in his young life. Why get attached if you're going to leave me anyway. Love, if it truly exists, apparently isn't the strongest of the chains that binds...
I can fully understand that in Squall. Which is also why I understand his frigid reaction to some ditzy girl who everyone, including her, keeps thrusting upon him so that he will change.
There's a strange security in lonliness.
Last edited by Pharoh Amon Khan III; 09-21-2006 at 08:47 PM.
Oh gimme a break! He has no more affection for Rinoa than one would picking away at a scab. It bugs you at first, but when you start picking at it, and picking it, until you can't anymore or it's gone and then you miss it. But wait, here's another scab, or you missed a piece, yay!
Squall is loner and an a**hole. The game give you some text choice so that he'll stay true to type, but if you don't 'play nice' you won't get some bonuses. This is why I couldn't get into this game because it kept reminding me it was a game. The story is so badly executed and the game play and FMVs don't connect in the sense that you're lost in the story, but constantly reminded you're playing a game and not an interactive story.
And people that say "Oh, these characters are soooo much like real people. They think and react like real people would."
Oh FOR THE LOVE OF THE WIDOW, C'MON!!!!
Quistis is highly paid and trained MERCENARY and suddenly jeprodizes the mission to kill the Scourge of the Planet, SORCERESS Edea, to go an apologize to some ditzy girl she met less than 48 hours ago?
And within the span of 30 minutes or less, Squall is placed in Command of Balamb Garden and all it's staff, students, ect, and in the midst of the surprise attack by the Galbadian Garden's Forces, Squall HAS to be the one that rescues Rinoa? Here's how I saw this scene play out when I first played it....
SQUALL: "Sometime I swear I can hear God laughing at me. How am I supposed to handle this? I've got over two hundred-- Oops, now make that 198 students to look after and..."
????: "Squall! Squall! It's Rinoa!"
SQUALL: "Uh-huh, right on cue. What is it you fuggin' morons?!"
MORONS: "Squall it's Rinoa! You gotta rescue her!"
SQUALL: "What the-! Look around! Can't you see I'm busy trying to keep us ALL from being killed? There's like, what, six of you? And you can't think of a way to save her yourselves? One of you got a 12 foot chain whip for cryin' out loud! And YOU, you got that incredibly over-sized elongating nunchaku-things!
MORONS: "No, Squall, it's GOTTA be YOU that rescues her! ONLY YOU can do it!"
SQUALL: " ?!! Gotta be me-!? ... ... ... What the-! ... ... (sigh) Y'know, what? Something wrong with you... Something seriously wrong with the lot of you...
MORONS: "We'll handle things from here!"
SQUALL: Handle-! You mean like you did in Dollet!?!! Quistis, what is that, french for "Questionable Judgement"? God! No, wonder you got demoted! Hell, because of you screwin' up the Dollet Mission, I got shanked with an icicle! I'm still mad about that...just because of that I should crack your s**t !
MORONS: "Hurry Squall! We know you love her!"
SQUALL: ... Y'know what... I'm... I'm... I'm going... But if I get killed I'm coming back and f***in' you up!"
Well, that's pretty much it. Well, that an a lot of other scenes that these characters acted like 'real' people. Yeah, real DUMB people.
And Selphie! My god, this girl doesn't ever need to do drugs, because she's naturally high and stupid. Let's take a look at Trabia Garden.
GIRL: "Hi Selphie...
SELPHIE: Hey! How are doing?
GIRL: Whadda think? I just survived a nuclear strike on our home, and discovered I don't have to be afraid of the dark if I just wet the bed to make the sheet glow.
Selphie: Have you seen Mr. Bear?
GIRL: I dunno, at first I thought he boogied on down without warning us too, but then I found him over there... ANd there, and there, and oh yeah, over there too.
SELPHIE: Well, just remember to keep your spirits up.
GIRL: I see the spirits of the dead every night in this dump. And you're right, I guess the bright side is that I've started growing a mutated tail, and my third eye is just coming in.
SELPHIE: I gotta go now... See ya around. La la la la Train Train la la la...
GIRL: Yeah, buh-bye now, and if you can whatever vitamins you're taking in the morning... Send me some to so I can be as oblivious to the pain and suffering around me, k?
I'm gonna stop now... But 'real people'... Come-ON!
you're misinterpreting what I said.
Yes, there are certain parts in VIII that make you want to kill the main characters because of how illogical they can act. B
What I said was that the dialogue was alot more realistic as far as the way human beings interact with eachother.
in FF I-V, and VI too, the character interaction was very simple. Conversations were unrealistically short. Characters who should have something to say would awkwardly stay quiet.(ex: Mash not saying anything to Edgar until he revealed he wasn't Gerad)
I understand that it's video games. But VII (and VIII) changed that and made storytelling in games on par with movies. The fact that Quistis went to apologize to Rinoa may have been a little crazy (they did have time though) but at the same time, the interaction, the things they actually say to eachother between the two is very human, not like the very 2-dimensional and static characters of previous games..
[QUOTE]you're misinterpreting what I said.
No there are certain parts, and rare I might add, that I don't want to kill them... Everything else, it's just a wonder I kept them alive intentionally against my will to reach a save point.Yes, there are certain parts in VIII that make you want to kill the main characters because of how illogical they can act.
I don't think I am misinterpreting Apologies if I am though. I'm sorry, dude, but I have yet to understand people that use dialouge like the characters from 90210 and the O.C to be 'realistic. Believe me I've seen people like this and they have the nerve to look at me strange because I give 'em the answer in 1 minute versus their 30 minutes of drama. Face it, it's unrealistic over-the-top drama that doesn't make any sense.What I said was that the dialogue was alot more realistic as far as the way human beings interact with eachother.
in FF I-V, and VI too, the character interaction was very simple. Conversations were unrealistically short. Characters who should have something to say would awkwardly stay quiet.(ex: Mash not saying anything to Edgar until he revealed he wasn't Gerad)
This is the perfect example of foreshadowing and dramatic tension. Sure we already KNEW why Sabin (Mash) wasn't talking to Edgar... But the hidden details (dramatic tension) made you want to know more about the story. They didn't just leave it hanging. Odine, and Cid Kramer...
Yes, one of them being a good movie that deserved a sequelI understand that it's video games. But VII (and VIII) changed that and made storytelling in games on par with movies.
The other... eh... not so good. Not even a novelization.
It wasn't a little crazy, it just plain stupid. No question about it. Of course this is all just my opinion.The fact that Quistis went to apologize to Rinoa may have been a little crazy
You say they had time, but obviously the writer's had no sense of timing. This scene alone just doesn't make any logical sense. No matter what your 'emotions' are no matter how 'human' you are. You are a mercenary soldier, and logic dictates that you can apologize to the ditzy girl, AFTER you save the world from "Darth Vader" (Sorceress Edea).(they did have time though) but at the same time, the interaction, the things they actually say to eachother between the two is very human, not like the very 2-dimensional and static characters of previous games..
P.S.: Read my last post.
Last edited by Pharoh Amon Khan III; 09-21-2006 at 04:00 PM.
I can't draw...I disagree with your point of view but your ironic translation of Squall is so funny! You should start a comic or somethind
8
you cant compare 8 to the really old ones 7 and 8 are in a league of their own
Would you mind giving, oh what are those things called? REASONS! You haven't played the old ones you don't know what their like you can't compare PERIOD.
agree or disagree
okay do u agree with me or pacman?
Oh man, that is SOOO biase. I not even sure if I should respond any futher than this...
But... You no me...
Honestly, dude... How can you say that? From what I can understand by stepping in your shoes (boy these are tight), is this:
The 'League of their Own" is defined by the fact that these are the "Second Generation" of Final Fantasies and the first ones to incorparate FMVs to their legendary stories, music, and gameplay. It was because of these 'new' innovations that made Final Fantasy as famous and what it is today....
Okay, y'know what, fug these shoes... Their killin' me. So, now that I'm back in my own size 7 1/2... (so I have small feet, shaddup)... I'll say piece on this... Ahem... Buckle up kids... here we go...
Final Fantasy was in a "League of It's Own" LONG before FFVII. Back in the day, people ridiculed and mocked all RPGers much like you 2nd Gen, mock the 'graphics' and bad visual actions of encounters.
Back then Final Fantasy had a world-wide fan-base, but it was much smaller. We enjoyed the story and music. Graphics took a backseat because we understood they just representational like illustrations in books. Books, that were interactive and captivating. We didn't need FMVs because the FMVs were in our heads, just like the entire story. The battles, the 'scenes', all it in our minds as we 'read' the screen before us.
But now... Here we have a new generation that can no more see anything other than what's on a screen and nothing more or beyond it.
They play for FMVs and not the story. They say that 7 and 8 broke the mold with their 'character customization'... No. That was Final Fantasy V and Vi. All characters were individuals but each could be whatever class they wanted.
I liked VII, but as I was playing it I found myself getting sucked into "when is the next FMV" and I stopped myself, because it just dawned on me that this is why people are raving about it. At first I was so happy to finally see Final Fantasy begin to get open respect, but after this realization... I paused and continued my game but after the defeat I waited with abated breath of what the new Final Fantasy VIII would be about...
Sure enough... Final Fantasy VIII was nothing more than graphics smorgasboard. Even the Summons were nothing more than eye-candy to take away your attention from this horribly HORRIBLY executed story. It could have been a good story, if not great, but not even good because of it's poor execution. The GF were basically 'Pokemon' as everyone had to 'catch 'em all' to see what their animations would be like. At one point in the game I thought I saw "Pika-Chu". Animations that lasted minutes on end.
I do not like Final Fantasy VIII for a host of reasons, because it was taking away that which Final Fantasy once was... If this was supposed to be about a story of 'Love' I certainly did not feel it.
Final Fantasy X restored my faith in the developers. FFX was once again a Final Fantasy that lured you into a world and didn't let you go. It made you feel emotions for and of the characters. But then they made "That Which Should Not Exist"... FFX-2... (shudder)
Anyway, I would like to hear why FF8 and FF7 are "In A League Of Their Own".
Chris if anyone was going to agree with you it would be a shame. You are trying to say,
Because I really like these games no others can compare.
Well thats stupid, like I said before...
You support your opinion with nothing!
And now like you've done all of mine, and Pharoh Amon Khan III's posts so far. Realize that we are thinking rationally and just make some comment like....
Dude you can't beat FFVII and FFVIII
Well guess what Chris, by continually saying that over and over you may as well admit your thinking irrationally.
Chris if anyone was going to agree with you it would be a shame. You are trying to say,
Because I really like these games no others can compare.
Well thats stupid, like I said before...
You support your opinion with nothing!
And now like you've done all of mine, and Pharoh Amon Khan III's posts so far. Realize that we are thinking rationally and just make some comment like....
Dude you can't beat FFVII and FFVIII
Well guess what Chris, by continually saying that over and over you may as well admit your thinking irrationally.
Whoah! Whoah! Whoah!... Go easy on him... He got a right to feel the way he does about his favorite game Goldenboco...
HOWEVER..... Goldenboco is right... You really can't be biased and just claim as the best game ever without considering the others.
The the bottom rung of the ladder is worth considering because they got you to the top rung... Another thing to remember is... How else would you get back down?
Yes, and I myself made the point everyone has there own favorites before, but I've been going easy on him for too many posts now and I decided to give him a piece of my mind.Chris if anyone was going to agree with you it would be a shame. You are trying to say,
Because I really like these games no others can compare.
Well thats stupid, like I said before...
You support your opinion with nothing!
And now like you've done all of mine, and Pharoh Amon Khan III's posts so far. Realize that we are thinking rationally and just make some comment like....
Dude you can't beat FFVII and FFVIII
Well guess what Chris, by continually saying that over and over you may as well admit your thinking irrationally.
Whoah! Whoah! Whoah!... Go easy on him... He got a right to feel the way he does about his favorite game Goldenboco...
HOWEVER..... Goldenboco is right... You really can't be biased and just claim as the best game ever without considering the others.
The the bottom rung of the ladder is worth considering because they got you to the top rung... Another thing to remember is... How else would you get back down?
Not to mention I hate it when someone totally disregards everthing in a post.
dont slag me off
The originals were the stepping point for the future games like 7, 8, 9 and X but comparing the originals to these games is mad they have great stories but the game play the graphics and the way the story is explained is lacking compared to 7,8,9 and X but I know what your saying you love them because they were the first ones you played and I respect that its like with 8 ,people slag that of and it annoys me.
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